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Bad Batch 2x07 "The Clone Conspiracy" - Reaction & Review (Patreon)

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Hey everyone!  Here it is - my reaction to season 2, episode 7 of The Bad Batch!  WHOA!!!!!!!  Wow guys, I was not expecting so many cameos and just an incredibly complex plot here!!  You know how I get over these intense political ones...!!!  So eventually the clones did start to see past Order 66....and thankfully there was someone in the senate to look out for them (yay, good to see her again!), but we all know this can't go *that* well!  :/  Oh yeah, and let's not forget that my man Rex is here, woohoo!!!  Not sure what the clone special ops thing is about, but at this point it's just another brick in the wall of a ton of stuff we have going on!  Can't wait to see where it's all going!  Great ep!  Enjoy!  ~ MH


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2023-05-18 15:14:10 We jump into this with the two clones at the bar speaking about blowing up Kamino under Rampart's orders. They were placed in a horrible situation, but they did go through with the order and destroyed their home (and we find out the rest of the cities too not related to the cloning facilities), realising it was wrong. I can't help but think of some of the Clone Wars episodes, especially with 99 and how much the clones there sacrificed themselves to save Kamino, and yet it in the end it was all meaningless. The clone gets shot and we later find out its from a clone assassin sent by Rampart. Brother taking out brother yet again. I know we see it a fair bit in this show, but the clones really are such tragic characters; most of them are loyal good soldiers, who seem to have a code of ethics about what is right and wrong, but they get constantly used, first in the war itself, and now under the Empire. This episode doesn't feature any of the Bad Batch, but its an important one to tell for the future of all the clones. Hence its a nice change of pace to get a political arc showing where everything lies regarding them. Back at the senate (and it has been redesigned slightly from the movies and TCW to bring it more in line with how its shown in Andor) we see the senators have been told of a cataclysmic storm which brought complete destruction to Kamino; it won't be the last time they'll be told of 'accidents' or acts of god decimating worlds, as the higher ups in the Empire cover up their tracks. The black senator with the white robes is called Tynnra Pamlo, who later joins the Rebel Alliance and is one of the senators on Yavin in Rouge One, when they discuss the plan about what to do about the Death Star. And Pamlo is played by the actress from the film too which is a nice tie-in. The bit when Bail calls out the Emperor for not even bothering to turn up, and Mas Ameida spouting about how the Emperor trusts in the machinations of the senate, is both laughable and spine-tingling, especially as Kevin Kiner uses a solitary cello playing the Emperor's Theme to highlight just how much control he has over everything when he's not even there. Goosebumps... Good to see senator Chuchi brought back. I was never fond of those episodes in Clone Wars with her, but it was more how they executed these episodes, rather than the character herself. She is standing up for the clones here, as no one else seems to be, well not these in power just now. And she calls out Rampart's bull. I would have liked some Mon Mothma here in this arc in the senate, but perhaps the actress was unavailable with filming Andor at the time, and in my headcanon I can theorise that Mon never had anything to do with the clones especially in the war anyway. Chuchi meets up with the clones at the bar to discuss a pension plan, and at the start they don't want to hear it, all they want to do is fight and be what they think they were made to be - troopers; even if it means fighting rebel cells that may be beginning to sprout up this early. After she gets the go-ahead and hears about the conspiracy from Slip, she meets up with Rampart to discuss the pension plan. Now he mentions about there being millions of clones still around in the Empire, I'm glad thats been confirmed as an estimate. It was thought there was about 4 million at the end of the war in the fanbase, so this canonises the clones to be in the millions. However only one of them we know of, makes it to Endor (though Wolffe (and Boba Fett though he was on his own path) was around too but maybe didn't take part), so the question becomes, what happens to the remaining millions of them? I think we can begin to guess where this is going... Chuchi brings Rampart up on the events of the 'storm' on Kamino and asks what happened. Rampart lies well, he's good at that. He's the type of snake I detest, as he comes off as charming and seemingly a do-gooder; when in fact he's just as bad as the likes of Tarkin, who at least will stab you in the front. I like to think that Bail's astromech, is R2-D2 in disguise, we know he is a master spy after all! :D Bail has become such an interesting background character in Star Wars. He's never at the forefront, but always behind the scenes working to make the galaxy a better place. He's not with Ahsoka yet I don't think as she'd be in hiding just now, so isn't quite helping rebel cells get stronger; but it won't be far off till he's up to that. Then of course he's looking after Leia, R2 and (if we must!) C-3P0, and knows Obi-Wan and Yoda are still out there and will help them too if needed. Great guy. Before Slip is killed, he mentions a clone that can help him disappear. We later find out its Rex (who looks like a Jedi Knight all cloaked up!). So he's helping clones who are disillusioned or in trouble with the Empire. He truly is the 'king' of the clones. The clone calling himself a believer before committing suicide (kids show remember!) calls himself a 'believer'. Crosshair thought himself that, but this clone seems to be on another level. To me he is more like Elia Kane in Mando, working on the inside and will do anything it takes to bring about order and power for them. And that score as we jump into the credits, makes one anxious about whats to come.
2023-05-18 13:13:38 We jump into this with the two clones at the bar speaking about blowing up Kamino under Rampart's orders. They were placed in a horrible situation, but they did go through with the order and destroyed their home (and we find out the rest of the cities too not related to the cloning facilities), realising it was wrong. I can't help but think of some of the Clone Wars episodes, especially with 99 and how much the clones there sacrificed themselves to save Kamino, and yet it in the end it was all meaningless. The clone gets shot and we later find out its from a clone assassin sent by Rampart. Brother taking out brother yet again. I know we see it a fair bit in this show, but the clones really are such tragic characters; most of them are loyal good soldiers, who seem to have a code of ethics about what is right and wrong, but they get constantly used, first in the war itself, and now under the Empire. This episode doesn't feature any of the Bad Batch, but its an important one to tell for the future of all the clones. Hence its a nice change of pace to get a political arc showing where everything lies regarding them. Back at the senate (and it has been redesigned slightly from the movies and TCW to bring it more in line with how its shown in Andor) we see the senators have been told of a cataclysmic storm which brought complete destruction to Kamino; it won't be the last time they'll be told of 'accidents' or acts of god decimating worlds, as the higher ups in the Empire cover up their tracks. The black senator with the white robes is called Tynnra Pamlo, who later joins the Rebel Alliance and is one of the senators on Yavin in Rogue One, when they discuss the plan about what to do about the Death Star. And Pamlo is played by the actress from the film too which is a nice tie-in. The bit when Bail calls out the Emperor for not even bothering to turn up, and Mas Ameida spouting about how the Emperor trusts in the machinations of the senate, is both laughable and spine-tingling, especially as Kevin Kiner uses a solitary cello playing the Emperor's Theme to highlight just how much control he has over everything when he's not even there. Goosebumps... Good to see senator Chuchi brought back. I was never fond of those episodes in Clone Wars with her, but it was more how they executed these episodes, rather than the character herself. She is standing up for the clones here, as no one else seems to be, well not these in power just now. And she calls out Rampart's bull. I would have liked some Mon Mothma here in this arc in the senate, but perhaps the actress was unavailable with filming Andor at the time, and in my headcanon I can theorise that Mon never had anything to do with the clones especially in the war anyway. Chuchi meets up with the clones at the bar to discuss a pension plan, and at the start they don't want to hear it, all they want to do is fight and be what they think they were made to be - troopers; even if it means fighting rebel cells that may be beginning to sprout up this early. After she gets the go-ahead and hears about the conspiracy from Slip, she meets up with Rampart to discuss the pension plan. Now he mentions about there being millions of clones still around in the Empire, I'm glad thats been confirmed as an estimate. It was thought there was about 4 million at the end of the war in the fanbase, so this canonises the clones to be in the millions. However only one of them we know of, makes it to Endor (though Wolffe (and Boba Fett though he was on his own path) was around too but maybe didn't take part), so the question becomes, what happens to the remaining millions of them? I think we can begin to guess where this is going... Chuchi brings Rampart up on the events of the 'storm' on Kamino and asks what happened. Rampart lies well, he's good at that. He's the type of snake I detest, as he comes off as charming and seemingly a do-gooder; when in fact he's just as bad as the likes of Tarkin, who at least will stab you in the front. I like to think that Bail's astromech, is R2-D2 in disguise, we know he is a master spy after all! :D Bail has become such an interesting background character in Star Wars. He's never at the forefront, but always behind the scenes working to make the galaxy a better place. He's not with Ahsoka yet I don't think as she'd be in hiding just now, so isn't quite helping rebel cells get stronger; but it won't be far off till he's up to that. Then of course he's looking after Leia, R2 and (if we must!) C-3P0, and knows Obi-Wan and Yoda are still out there and will help them too if needed. Great guy. Before Slip is killed, he mentions a clone that can help him disappear. We later find out its Rex (who looks like a Jedi Knight all cloaked up!). So he's helping clones who are disillusioned or in trouble with the Empire. He truly is the 'king' of the clones. The clone assassin calls himself a believer before committing suicide (kids show remember!). Crosshair thought himself that, but this clone seems to be on another level. To me he is more like Elia Kane in Mando, working on the inside and will do anything it takes to bring about order and power for them. And that score as we jump into the credits, makes one anxious about whats to come.

We jump into this with the two clones at the bar speaking about blowing up Kamino under Rampart's orders. They were placed in a horrible situation, but they did go through with the order and destroyed their home (and we find out the rest of the cities too not related to the cloning facilities), realising it was wrong. I can't help but think of some of the Clone Wars episodes, especially with 99 and how much the clones there sacrificed themselves to save Kamino, and yet it in the end it was all meaningless. The clone gets shot and we later find out its from a clone assassin sent by Rampart. Brother taking out brother yet again. I know we see it a fair bit in this show, but the clones really are such tragic characters; most of them are loyal good soldiers, who seem to have a code of ethics about what is right and wrong, but they get constantly used, first in the war itself, and now under the Empire. This episode doesn't feature any of the Bad Batch, but its an important one to tell for the future of all the clones. Hence its a nice change of pace to get a political arc showing where everything lies regarding them. Back at the senate (and it has been redesigned slightly from the movies and TCW to bring it more in line with how its shown in Andor) we see the senators have been told of a cataclysmic storm which brought complete destruction to Kamino; it won't be the last time they'll be told of 'accidents' or acts of god decimating worlds, as the higher ups in the Empire cover up their tracks. The black senator with the white robes is called Tynnra Pamlo, who later joins the Rebel Alliance and is one of the senators on Yavin in Rogue One, when they discuss the plan about what to do about the Death Star. And Pamlo is played by the actress from the film too which is a nice tie-in. The bit when Bail calls out the Emperor for not even bothering to turn up, and Mas Ameida spouting about how the Emperor trusts in the machinations of the senate, is both laughable and spine-tingling, especially as Kevin Kiner uses a solitary cello playing the Emperor's Theme to highlight just how much control he has over everything when he's not even there. Goosebumps... Good to see senator Chuchi brought back. I was never fond of those episodes in Clone Wars with her, but it was more how they executed these episodes, rather than the character herself. She is standing up for the clones here, as no one else seems to be, well not these in power just now. And she calls out Rampart's bull. I would have liked some Mon Mothma here in this arc in the senate, but perhaps the actress was unavailable with filming Andor at the time, and in my headcanon I can theorise that Mon never had anything to do with the clones especially in the war anyway. Chuchi meets up with the clones at the bar to discuss a pension plan, and at the start they don't want to hear it, all they want to do is fight and be what they think they were made to be - troopers; even if it means fighting rebel cells that may be beginning to sprout up this early. After she gets the go-ahead and hears about the conspiracy from Slip, she meets up with Rampart to discuss the pension plan. Now he mentions about there being millions of clones still around in the Empire, I'm glad thats been confirmed as an estimate. It was thought there was about 4 million at the end of the war in the fanbase, so this canonises the clones to be in the millions. However only one of them we know of, makes it to Endor (though Wolffe (and Boba Fett though he was on his own path) was around too but maybe didn't take part), so the question becomes, what happens to the remaining millions of them? I think we can begin to guess where this is going... Chuchi brings Rampart up on the events of the 'storm' on Kamino and asks what happened. Rampart lies well, he's good at that. He's the type of snake I detest, as he comes off as charming and seemingly a do-gooder; when in fact he's just as bad as the likes of Tarkin, who at least will stab you in the front. I like to think that Bail's astromech, is R2-D2 in disguise, we know he is a master spy after all! :D Bail has become such an interesting background character in Star Wars. He's never at the forefront, but always behind the scenes working to make the galaxy a better place. He's not with Ahsoka yet I don't think as she'd be in hiding just now, so isn't quite helping rebel cells get stronger; but it won't be far off till he's up to that. Then of course he's looking after Leia, R2 and (if we must!) C-3P0, and knows Obi-Wan and Yoda are still out there and will help them too if needed. Great guy. Before Slip is killed, he mentions a clone that can help him disappear. We later find out its Rex (who looks like a Jedi Knight all cloaked up!). So he's helping clones who are disillusioned or in trouble with the Empire. He truly is the 'king' of the clones. The clone assassin calls himself a believer before committing suicide (kids show remember!). Crosshair thought himself that, but this clone seems to be on another level. To me he is more like Elia Kane in Mando, working on the inside and will do anything it takes to bring about order and power for them. And that score as we jump into the credits, makes one anxious about whats to come.

Tyler Stobbe

First, I think I’ve said this a couple of times but I really do appreciate a show who feels strongly enough about its narrative that it feels comfortable shifting focus and not having to deal with the main protagonist of the story if it’s not relevant to the current story arc. There wasn’t one shot of any of the Bad Batch in this episode, and the series understood they didn’t need to check in on them - we’ll be back with them in plenty of due time, I’m sure. Another example of this story tactic would be that one particular arc in Hunter x Hunter where they suddenly shifted the main character of the story because what they were doing was the bigger plot line, and the overall main character became the “B” plot for a while. I think you know what I am talking about. Anyway, you kind of knew Cade (the first clone) was in for it just as soon as he said “I gave Rampart a chance.” Also, does the Banking Clan ever do anything for the greater hood? Seems like they’re always in you know who’s pocket. Speaking of your favorite Star Wars character ever, it seems he can’t be bothered with the “Senate,” but my theory is perhaps he feels that any physical appearances now that he’s been deformed will cause further unease. Now that he’s got all the power, it’s kind of ironic that he’s guided by his own fear - fear of losing that power. Rampart’s not a good guy, obviously - but I do think there’s something to highlight, since I think you might have missed the overall context while talking - after the whole first session, the blue guard who seems to be his viceroy(?) basically told Rampart he had better get the bill to pass and that there couldn’t be any more… surprises. So it seems like the higher up you go in the Empire, the tighter the squeeze gets put on you - who knows how he really feels about what he’s doing but there’s this line again: “orders are orders.” And nobody is courageous enough to stand up to the guy. Regarding the clones, they were put into service and Palpatine was given control via the Emergency Powers Act - which ironically, was set up by him building the Separatist Army - and that move was ratified by Jar Jar - so in a way Jar Jar is responsible for the biggest blunder in the galaxy, giving Mr. Wonderful the initial control of the Senate. Not going to lie, I did think the sniper was initially Crosshair but it wasn’t clearly… and what did he mean about saying Rex was limited? He clearly knew him… and what’s this thing he’s believing in? Sounds like someone is going to have to sneak into Rampart’s ship and get the command log. Hey, what’s the Bad Batch’s number again? Also when the camera lingered on Rampart after Chuchi left his office my brain immediately put the “MENACING” from Jojo on the front of it. 😁 It seems certain people are already starting to understand what the Empire really is - but there’re just not in a position to do anything overt yet. So they’re treading very lightly and trying to find out what they can. It’s like they said - funny how telling the truth is suddenly creating anxiety as opposed to inaction or apathy. It’s hard to give the Empire the… slip, darn it, there was no way around that pun. 😂 By the way, if we could clip together your facial expressions from every Imperial scheming related scene it would be one hilarious blooper reel. Are your eyes sore from all that rolling yet? 👀

kamenriderhime
>>108793049

It's a horrible situation for sure, and that's a good point about 99! The clones are truly tragic - they're used as tools for Palpatine's plan, yet they have strong standards, morals, and feelings at the same time. I agree, it's a Batch-free ep yet important for setting up the story. That's interesting about the senate design! Oh I didn't make that connection about Pamlo!! That's so cool! I noticed the Emperor's theme when he wasn't even there, wasn't that a great touch!!! I agree that this was a good payoff for the Chuchi eps! I would have liked some Mon too, but that's understandable. That's really mind blowing about the number of clones, and so true that we only really know what happened to a few....so what happened to the others? I always assumed they'd age rapidly but come to think of it, that didn't seem to be the case as much with Rex and the others in Rebels. They seemed like they were maybe supposed to be 60s-ish, which means they maybe aged like 30 years over 20 years?? So yeah, maybe something really bad happens :( Hahahaha that would be amazing if Bail's droid was really R2 in disguise!!!! Lol!!! That's so true about Bail, he's always working in the background. He's such a great guy!!! I say this every Father's Day when I see the cutesy Vader/Leia cards they put it....where are the Bail cards?!?!? Dude is one of the most upstanding men in the whole franchise!!! Rex is definitely giving Jedi vibes! The clone king, that has a nice ring to it. Hahaha I know, it got pretty dark there for a "kids" show! Yeah this clone definitely seemed almost brainwashed or indoctrinated. Definitely ramping up the anxiety in this one!

kamenriderhime
>>108833284

That's a great point about the narrative! Good analogy about Hunter x Hunter! If the story/characters are strong enough, you can do things like that for sure. Oof, so true about Cade....never give the Empire a chance! Oh yeah, the Banking Clan is bought off by Mr. Wonderful for sure. Yeah, I think you're right about Palpatine - it's probably hard for him to be the literal face of everything now. But so true that he has it all, and now he has to fret over losing it! Oh yeah, I gathered that about Rampart's discussion, he was getting the squeeze put on him as well. Hahahahaha oh no, Jar Jar's biggest blunder :P Have you heard the theory that he's really a Sith? That doesn't help...! I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that was Crosshair, and who even knows what he meant by all that!!! Hahahah MENACING would have been perfect to place there :P That's the thing, the realization is there, but not the plan of action yet. Omg, what a pun to make this episode!!!!! :p LOL my eyes are just gonna roll out of my head one day! I'd love to do a compilation and make it into a YouTube short or something haha!!!

Nick

A great episode centred on Coruscant - my favourite planet in the Star Wars universe, because the politics and complexity of the Star Wars universe is most visible here. The episode is so absorbing that it’s easy to miss that we don’t see the Bad Batch crew at all. Love the dark, tense, spy/ thriller feel to this episode. I’ve always liked Chuchi, but she is playing a very dangerous game! Given all the new material on screen since the prequels, Organa is turning into THE prime mover in creating/ coordinating resistance. As far as I can see he is the most important player in the resistance as we have seen it portrayed so far. And he manages to stay undetected and alive until a New Hope. Even more impressive, he is self motivated to do so despite the risks. Quite the unsung hero. Perhaps bit like Luthen Rael in Andor, but seemingly far less ruthless and more compassionate. The clone assassin was a true believer in something, but who knows what? It’s also interesting that he knows Rex: why/ how? Rex shot the assassin on stun, and a bit of me thinks that wasn’t ruthless enough, but I guess that was Rex thinking on his feet and knowing it would be useful to be able to question the assassin to try and gain information. In terms of what happens to all these millions of clones once ‘decommissioned’ we have seen the fate of at least one in the Obi Wan series: begging on the street, so no pension for that one, and likely not for any other clones either. All a bit Brave New World. And to add further insult to injury, the empire even had the clones participating in producing their own future poverty by getting some of them to destroy their home/ cloning facilities on Kamino, thus enabling the empires plans to decommission them and leave them all destitute, or worse. Dark stuff.

kamenriderhime
>>109084688

Nice!!! It's quite the bustling place for sure! I know, it says something that they can build a story so well even without the main cast. The spy thriller vibes are great and so intense! It's amazing to see Bail in the role of the person who likely built up the resistance or at least had a really key role! He's definitely like a more compassionate Luthen. Yeah I have no idea what's going on with the "believer" thing! I assumed that maybe Rex was just well known amongst the clones but I'm not sure why else he'd know Rex. Right, I'm sure Rex didn't want to lethally wound a clone but also there's practical reasoning there too. I was thinking the same thing about Obi-Wan and the scene we got of the begging clone. It's sick and dark to think they were ordered to play a part in their own demise and destruction of their homeworld too, ick. Super dark stuff!!!! The Empire sucks, as I often say!

Saltire
>>108793049

Funny I was just speaking about clone ages the other day, as another reactor just got to the episodes in Rebels when Rex turns up. One of the people I was having a conversation with about it, suggested it may be slightly more than two times ageing for clones. And I might start to agree with that. Also I was watching the Clone Wars movie (your reaction!) at the weekend, and when we first see Rex, he is around 10 years of actual age in it, so multiply that by 2 and he'd be twenty. However, he looks older than that, perhaps nearer 30. Even here we see the clone arguing with Chuchi at the bar, and he looks to be in his mid-30's at this point in age. So by Rebels time around 15 years from now, Rex and co's physical ages might be mid-60's, despite him only being 28 (and a year younger than Kanan) during their first meeting. So they are going to age rapidly. However I don't think its going to be the ageing process that will ensure we don't see them by Rebels time; but something else, which we may talk about at the end of the season here. As is often said in Star Wars "I have a baaaaaad feeling about this!". You bring up about a standing army being against the old Republic ways and didn't know about that. This is true, what used to happen was worlds would have their own armies, so if problems arose between them and other worlds, it would only be a local affair that would either then get resolved in the senate, or the Jedi would be sent out in their role as peacekeepers. As for Bail, I kind of regard him more and more these days, as an anti-Palpatine. We saw in the films and Clone Wars, just what Palpatine was doing behind the scenes to bring down the Republic, the Jedi and establish his Sith Empire, and using the massive galactic clone army to bring down the separatist worlds and their countless droids. Here, we are beginning to hear about the seeds of insurgency arising against the Empire and the Emperor this time wants a new imperial army to deal with these worlds, and that is the issue some senators who haven't been corrupted by him, have. They see a new army being developed, against the principles of the republic, that will further solidify the Emperor's power and this raises many flags for those senators. You are right though, that many of them still think that this is the republic just in a different guise, when its anything but, its an utter autocracy; and only now some of them are beginning to waken up to the fact to what regime they have all put in place. Bail as this anti-Palpatine, is speaking to senators in private, now that Padme is gone, like Mon Mothma, Chuchi here, Pamlo etc, to try to stop Palpatine from going too far; but just in case, he is also going to start alongside Ahsoka, helping seed and fund new rebel cells from these insurgent groups, as well as keeping secrets for the remaining top Jedi still around and looking after Leia. He too has long term plans like Palpatine did for his power grab.

kamenriderhime
>>108793049

Oh nice! That's interesting about the aging rate. Oh, thank you for rewatching my Clone Wars reaction! The math adds up actually! You're probably right that it will be another reason, not the aging. Hahaha I agree with your bad feeling! Oh that's interesting about the way things ran with individual worlds. Anti-Palpatine is a great way to put it! I'm glad you agree, it makes sense that many would see this as another phase of the Republic even though it's something very different. Bail is using the same smart tactics but using them against the Empire instead of establishing one! What a boss!!!!

Cody

This is such a great episode. It’s like a political thriller. So good to see Chuchi again and see her trying to help the clones. We get more of Rampart and his bs in trying to cover up everything. And my god, that clone at the end with what was essentially a cyanide capsule was so dark for a kid’s show.

kamenriderhime
>>158293227

I know, I love it!! So nice to see her again! UGH I know, like sometimes I forget this is still Disney and technically all ages :P