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Ahsoka 1x05 "Shadow Warrior" - reaction & review (Patreon)

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Hey everyone!  Here it is - my reaction to season 1, episode 5 of Ahsoka!!!  WHOAAAA!!!  You guys, Anakin's final lesson was intense!!!  I did NOT see it coming that we'd be back in the Clone Wars, the Siege of Mandalore, etc.....just wow!!!  It was so crazy to see actual Clone Wars Anakin, but Hayden!!!  He killed it!!!  And I think the lesson really resonated too - that Ahsoka may have been a warrior forged in war, but she's more than that, and it's ok to open up to those possibilities now!  It's like a weight has been lifted!!!  What an absolutely beautiful episode, omg!
And now, we're off to find the rest of the fam!!!  Great ep!  Enjoy!  ~ MH


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Brian Settles

I love how the theme for Kanan is used to denote a sense of purpose, first with Sabine and now for Jacen. I think Kiner might have even brightened it up a bit for Jacen but I'm not sure.

Saltire (edited)

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2023-09-14 18:03:18 Ahsoka saying to Anakin she won't fight him and him replying "I've heard that before", shows him remembering Luke saying that to him on the Death Star "I won't fight you father". Lovely moment with Jacen telling Hera to listen as he hears the duel through the force. One its a great force moment showing us he has his father's ability and also that Hera can hear echoes of that too. Hera is the greatest pilot in the galaxy and I've always felt that she is able to channel the force subconsciously, but this is one of the first times she's quietened her mind so that she can actually hear it. Then when Huyang tells Carson about Kanan, complete with Kanan's Theme, man that got to me. You held up better than me when Ahsoka got transported back to the Clone War and with Hayden too being there as Anakin was too much. I noted he even deflected bolts like his animated counterpart in the series too, lovely touch. I love that everything is a bit foggy in the Clone Wars, obviously with it being shot on the Volume that was a wise choice for practicality, but it also shows this is a time from a memory of Ahsoka, where she remembers the main details and everything else isn't so vibrant, like when we look back at many of our own memories. Another lovely bit is when she sits and breaks down as she holds the dying clone's hand. We know the bond she had with her clones and how tragic their own story is; but for those who haven't seen the animations and have no idea about that story, this might show them in a new light. We hear adult Ahsoka through her younger questioning it all, having kids lead soldiers into death and destruction, and that wasn't supposed to be who she was meant to be. After all these years, she still hadn't got over all of that, and this is even outside of everything that comes later for her. Anakin responding that if she didn't fight, she would die, which is both about her being in purgatory just now and that if she wasn't trained to be a warrior, she wouldn't have survived the war and the time. Why did I not notice that Jacen has a kind of pauldron on his right shoulder as a memento to Kanan, he even looks a tad like Freddie Prinze! This kid better not go with Luke, stay with the family and have Ezra teach you, please! Huyang telling Hera and summing her character up in one sentence "you do things your way because you care; this is why people like you!" - yep that's Hera alright, she's the best! :D The young actress playing Clone Wars Ahsoka was terrific. I believe she is only 15 or so, so would be bang in the middle of Ahsoka's age throughout the war, and she looks a tad young, but it also shows how sobering this was again, that kids would be subjected to be warriors leading squadrons into major battles. Ahsoka looks older in the animated form in season 7 of TCW when this is set, but this just emphasises here how young she was when she went through so much already. She had already left the Jedi and Anakin now and was about to take on a Sith Lord, and you can feel she's hardened up, but is still reflective about the justification for all this. She questions the legacy handed down to her, and is frightened of it, mainly because of Anakin's great fall. Thats why she was reluctant to train Grogu and failed earlier with Sabine, she thinks that the only lesson she learnt from Anakin and the Jedi was of death and destruction - which is what Baylan tells her in the previous episode. She has to let it all go, and remember there was more to it all than being a warrior; that she has the best parts of Anakin, Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon inside and thats far stronger than the fear of being just an ex-Jedi warrior. She is more than that, and needed to hear it. There are a few interpretions of what Anakin is here, is he force ghost Anakin? I don't think so personally as he wouldn't have drifted to the darkside in their last duel. What I think Filoni is showing, is that he has become The Father, the balance between the light and the dark; we even have to remember that his Sith name literally translates back to Dark Father. Ahsoka chooses to live, to drop all that baggage to unburden herself, step out of the shadow of what became of Anakin and move on, and is thus reborn in water as Ahsoka The White. :) Carson being a real one by holding up the rebel fleet as they come to the planet is great; he's pretty awesome! I think with Disney scrapping the Rangers Of The New Republic show as they dropped Gina Cardano has beneffited this character, so that he'll be one of the characters instead taking the fight to Thrawn on his return. Huyang questioning to Ahsoka that they could be going anywhere with the purgil, but she's not worried about that now, Yoda would always say trust in the force, and this is what she is doing. Having Kevin Kiner compose the show was a masterstroke. We knew he wouldn't let us down, and boy the music has ramped up so much these last two episodes and the ending score is truly epic as we journey into space with the purgil. Ahsoka tells Hera "we'll find them", echoing what she said to Ezra in the World Between Worlds "I'll find you, I promise". And as we leave we can see the light shine on Ahsoka as she has now reached true enlightenment. I was an emotional wreck this episode. Masterful Filoni, masterful.
2023-09-14 15:51:41 Ahsoka saying to Anakin she won't fight him and him replying "I've heard that before", shows him remembering Luke saying that to him on the Death Star "I won't fight you father". Lovely moment with Jacen telling Hera to listen as he hears the duel through the force. One its a great force moment showing us he has his father's ability and also that Hera can hear echoes of that too. Hera is the greatest pilot in the galaxy and I've always felt that she is able to channel the force subconsciously, but this is one of the first times she's quietened her mind so that she can actually hear it. Then when Huyang tells Carson about Kanan, complete with Kanan's Theme, man that got to me. You held up better than me when Ahsoka got transported back to the Clone War and with Hayden too being there as Anakin was too much. I noted he even deflected bolts like his animated counterpart in the series too, lovely touch. I love that everything is a bit foggy in the Clone Wars, obviously with it being shot on the Volume that was a wise choice for practicality, but it also shows this is a time from a memory of Ahsoka, where she remembers the main details and everything else isn't so vibrant, like when we look back at many of our own memories. Another lovely bit is when she sits and breaks down as she holds the dying clone's hand. We know the bond she had with her clones and how tragic their own story is; but for those who haven't seen the animations and have no idea about that story, this might show them in a new light. We hear adult Ahsoka through her younger questioning it all, having kids lead soldiers into death and destruction, and that wasn't supposed to be who she was meant to be. After all these years, she still hadn't got over all of that, and this is even outside of everything that comes later for her. Anakin responding that if she didn't fight, she would die, which is both about her being in purgatory just now and that if she wasn't trained to be a warrior, she wouldn't have survived the war and the time. Why did I not notice that Jacen has a kind of pauldron on his right shoulder as a memento to Kanan, he even looks a tad like Freddie Prinze! This kid better not go with Luke, stay with the family and have Ezra teach you, please! Huyang telling Hera and summing her character up in one sentence "you do things your way because you care; this is why people like you!" - yep that's Hera alright, she's the best! :D The young actress playing Clone Wars Ahsoka was terrific. I believe she is only 15 or so, so would be bang in the middle of Ahsoka's age throughout the war, and she looks a tad young, but it also shows how sobering this was again, that kids would be subjected to be warriors leading squadrons into major battles. Ahsoka looks older in the animated form in season 7 of TCW when this is set, but this just emphasises here how young she was when she went through so much already. She had already left the Jedi and Anakin now and was about to take on a Sith Lord, and then the devastation of Order 66; and you can feel she's hardened up, but is still reflective about the justification for all this and what is to come. She questions the legacy handed down to her, and is frightened of it, mainly because of Anakin's great fall. Thats why she was reluctant to train Grogu and failed earlier with Sabine, she thinks that the only lesson she learnt from Anakin and the Jedi was of death and destruction - which is what Baylan tells her in the previous episode. She has to let it all go, and remember there was more to it all than being a warrior; that she has the best parts of Anakin, Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon inside and thats far stronger than the fear of being just an ex-Jedi warrior. She is more than that, and needed to hear it. There are a few interpretions of what Anakin is here, is he force ghost Anakin? I don't think so personally as he wouldn't have drifted to the darkside in their last duel. What I think Filoni is showing, is that he has become The Father, the balance between the light and the dark; we even have to remember that his Sith name literally translates back to Dark Father. Ahsoka chooses to live, to drop all that baggage to unburden herself, step out of the shadow of what became of Anakin and move on, and is thus reborn in water as Ahsoka The White. :) Carson being a real one by holding up the rebel fleet as they come to the planet is great; he's pretty awesome! I think with Disney scrapping the Rangers Of The New Republic show as they dropped Gina Cardano has beneffited this character, so that he'll be one of the characters instead taking the fight to Thrawn on his return. Huyang questioning to Ahsoka that they could be going anywhere with the purgil, but she's not worried about that now, Yoda would always say trust in the force, and this is what she is doing. Having Kevin Kiner compose the show was a masterstroke. We knew he wouldn't let us down, and boy the music has ramped up so much these last two episodes and the ending score is truly epic as we journey into space with the purgil. Ahsoka tells Hera "we'll find them", echoing what she said to Ezra in the World Between Worlds "I'll find you, I promise". And as we leave we can see the light shine on Ahsoka as she has now reached true enlightenment. I was an emotional wreck this episode. Masterful Filoni, masterful. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En2VgWtWEAARre1.jpg

Ahsoka saying to Anakin she won't fight him and him replying "I've heard that before", shows him remembering Luke saying that to him on the Death Star "I won't fight you father". Lovely moment with Jacen telling Hera to listen as he hears the duel through the force. One its a great force moment showing us he has his father's ability and also that Hera can hear echoes of that too. Hera is the greatest pilot in the galaxy and I've always felt that she is able to channel the force subconsciously, but this is one of the first times she's quietened her mind so that she can actually hear it. Then when Huyang tells Carson about Kanan, complete with Kanan's Theme, man that got to me. You held up better than me when Ahsoka got transported back to the Clone War and with Hayden too being there as Anakin was too much. I noted he even deflected bolts like his animated counterpart in the series too, lovely touch. I love that everything is a bit foggy in the Clone Wars, obviously with it being shot on the Volume that was a wise choice for practicality, but it also shows this is a time from a memory of Ahsoka, where she remembers the main details and everything else isn't so vibrant, like when we look back at many of our own memories. Another lovely bit is when she sits and breaks down as she holds the dying clone's hand. We know the bond she had with her clones and how tragic their own story is; but for those who haven't seen the animations and have no idea about that story, this might show them in a new light. We hear adult Ahsoka through her younger questioning it all, having kids lead soldiers into death and destruction, and that wasn't supposed to be who she was meant to be. After all these years, she still hadn't got over all of that, and this is even outside of everything that comes later for her. Anakin responding that if she didn't fight, she would die, which is both about her being in purgatory just now and that if she wasn't trained to be a warrior, she wouldn't have survived the war and the time. Why did I not notice that Jacen has a kind of pauldron on his right shoulder as a memento to Kanan, he even looks a tad like Freddie Prinze! This kid better not go with Luke, stay with the family and have Ezra teach you, please! Huyang telling Hera and summing her character up in one sentence "you do things your way because you care; this is why people like you!" - yep that's Hera alright, she's the best! :D The young actress playing Clone Wars Ahsoka was terrific. I believe she is only 15 or so, so would be bang in the middle of Ahsoka's age throughout the war, and she looks a tad young, but it also shows how sobering this was again, that kids would be subjected to be warriors leading squadrons into major battles. Ahsoka looks older in the animated form in season 7 of TCW when this is set, but this just emphasises here how young she was when she went through so much already. She had already left the Jedi and Anakin now and was about to take on a Sith Lord, and then the devastation of Order 66; and you can feel she's hardened up, but is still reflective about the justification for all this and what is to come. She questions the legacy handed down to her, and is frightened of it, mainly because of Anakin's great fall. Thats why she was reluctant to train Grogu and failed earlier with Sabine, she thinks that the only lesson she learnt from Anakin and the Jedi was of death and destruction - which is what Baylan tells her in the previous episode. She has to let it all go, and remember there was more to it all than being a warrior; that she has the best parts of Anakin, Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon inside and thats far stronger than the fear of being just an ex-Jedi warrior. She is more than that, and needed to hear it. There are a few interpretions of what Anakin is here, is he force ghost Anakin? I don't think so personally as he wouldn't have drifted to the darkside in their last duel. What I think Filoni is showing, is that he has become The Father, the balance between the light and the dark; we even have to remember that his Sith name literally translates back to Dark Father. Ahsoka chooses to live, to drop all that baggage to unburden herself, step out of the shadow of what became of Anakin and move on, and is thus reborn in water as Ahsoka The White. :) Carson being a real one by holding up the rebel fleet as they come to the planet is great; he's pretty awesome! I think with Disney scrapping the Rangers Of The New Republic show as they dropped Gina Cardano has beneffited this character, so that he'll be one of the characters instead taking the fight to Thrawn on his return. Huyang questioning to Ahsoka that they could be going anywhere with the purgil, but she's not worried about that now, Yoda would always say trust in the force, and this is what she is doing. Having Kevin Kiner compose the show was a masterstroke. We knew he wouldn't let us down, and boy the music has ramped up so much these last two episodes and the ending score is truly epic as we journey into space with the purgil. Ahsoka tells Hera "we'll find them", echoing what she said to Ezra in the World Between Worlds "I'll find you, I promise". And as we leave we can see the light shine on Ahsoka as she has now reached true enlightenment. I was an emotional wreck this episode. Masterful Filoni, masterful. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En2VgWtWEAARre1.jpg

Saltire
>>117517436

When he played Kanan's Theme as Huyang told Carson about Jacen's father, it got to me. Kanan was the best.

Tyler Stobbe

You know, to be fair, you count down to ALL of your shows, then you get distracted because you have another one to record. :) Something that occurred to me watching the different characters try to make sense of the situation at hand is that, each one of them is good at something that the others lack in… they work better when they put all their abilities together and actually listen to each other. It’s a trope, but it’s a nice one. “I don’t know if I’m ready for the discussion they’re having…” Show: We’re going to discuss things with our lightsabers. Anakin said to Ahsoka “live or die.” That seems simple, but I think he meant it more in a mentality sense. She’s hung up on the events that occurred previously and you can’t change the past. Soldiers lost their lives following orders she gave, because they trusted her judgment. Anakin didn’t turn into Darth Vader because of her, yes, he was extremely manipulated into it, but in the end, it was still his choice to make - not hers. He wanted her to accept that his decisions were his to take responsibility for, not hers, and just like he’s accepted the Vader part of himself, she needs to accept that some things are beyond her control and there’s no point worrying herself to death over the outcome. She could either continue to fear the future, or embrace it and take challenges as they present themselves. I think perhaps the reason Hayden is playing Anakin more like CW Anakin is because the show gave him seven seasons of character development to implement he didn’t have for the movies. That’s probably why he’s matching the tone more. In some ways, it’s kind of a shame he didn’t have this kind of information to draw upon when the prequels were actually filmed, I’d be very interested to see what he’d do differently. - but that’s impossible, since the show wasn’t written until after the prequels were finished. Ahsoka says “I won’t fight you” at one point and Anakin mentions “I’ve heard THAT before.” He is, of course, referring to the Vader/Luke confrontation in Return of the Jedi. At the end of the fight, he gives her the choice again, live or die, and she ends up with a lightsaber at his throat and drops it, instead of following through. This is where Anakin proved to her she can make different choices than he did, and that was what the lesson was all about. Meanwhile Carson and Huyang need hazard pay for what these girls are putting them through… Carson probably feels like a telemarketer trying to keep the phone on the hook, and Huyang is… well, I’m not sure if droid emotional centers deal with trauma the same way we do but it’s a wonder his circuits haven’t overheated with all the protocol violations, lol. Ahsoka the White? Now that you mention it, she did fall off a cliff for a while and disappear… that’s more on the nose than you thought. Hera’s gonna have her own explaining to do with all the red tape… I imagine there will be some eye rolls… while Ahsoka goes off on a whale of a time. If this is episode 5, how’s Dave gonna ramp up from here? I have a feeling we might see some more familiar faces before too long… some of them you want to find… and others you probably don’t… but at the same time, you kind of do? You know what I mean. 👀 It’s okay, Chopper will save the day. No idea how, but that’s never stopped him before. 😉

Brandon Dodge

I've been thinking how to articulate my thoughts. I loved this episode so much. After reading Saltire's and Tyler's insightful comments, and thinking for it for a little while, I have some ideas. I think this is definitely Force Ghost Anakin post Return of The Jedi in The World Between Worlds. I think he stepped in to save her life. He did something similar for Luke in Shadows of The Sith. He probably transported her here, which is probably why she didn't instantly drown lol I think he's both the Force Ghost Anakin but also he's become The Father when he became one with the Force, keeping it in balance as best he can, and helping others to restore balance like Ahsoka, and later Rey. He is the Chosen One. And I love that about him. I loved the Clone Wars Flashback/Vision. I think a lot of it moreso a vision and an exaggerated memory that she has so that Anakin can teach her this lesson, rather than a perfect flashback of things we saw before. I think the first part of the Flashback is supposed to be Teth from the Clone Wars movie, the injured Clones scene is probably supposed to be the Ryloth Arc from the end of Season 1, as we see Twileks with the Clones and that Arc dealt with Ahsoka getting them killed and her dealing with that, and the final Arc of course being the Siege of Mandalore. I like the details of Anakin not remembering the battle of The Siege of Mandalore, his comment, "I've heard that before", when Ahsoka said she wouldn't fight him, and her throwing the Lightsaber away like Luke did. I love the music that Kevin Kiner was able to bring to this series. When Ahsoka is mourning the dying Clone, Burying The Dead from the last scene of Clone Wars plays and when we see Rex up close in the Siege of Mandalore, we hear the Clone Theme for a few seconds. And now Ahsoka is born again. She learned that both she and Anakin are more than death and destruction. Her confronting Anakin in Twilight of The Apprentice changed her, made her lose so much faith, and probably made her not want to live anymore with this pain. She's probably also been thinking of Mortis, of her future self telling her that her Master has planted seeds of the Dark Side within her and that she feels doomed in some ways. Anakin helped her realize that she is more and gave her a reason to keep moving forward. Her outfit change is pretty much what she wears in the end of Rebels, and the robes under the cape are reminiscent of her robes in an unproduced Clone Wars Arc that we never got and at this point isn't canon, but in that she makes peace with the Jedi and becomes a Jedi again, and we kinda see that here. Ahsoka is everything she's supposed to be now. It kinda reminds me of what Ruby went through in V9. It really made me so emotional. And now we're off to a galaxy far far farther away. Time to save Sabine and Ezra.

Saltire
>>117589706

I think you are correct about Teth Brandon. I actually rewatched the Clone Wars movie (and Mel's reaction to it) just last night, and the colour hue is the same as when they had just become master and apprentice on their way to get Jabba's son "punky-muffin!". Also yes I think the hand holding scene is an echo back to Ryloth, though Ahsoka held Yularin's hand as he got injured to her failing to obey orders when she got her clones killed. It also showed her connection to the clones, which for us who have watched the series know about, but for those who haven't, may wonder about since the clones are generally seen as the bad guys in the prequels. And as for your last statement that it's time to save Sabine and Ezra, she mentions here : "I will find them, I promise" - WBW Ezra to Ahsoka : "when you get back, come and find me."; Ahsoka : "I will, I promise". *chef's kiss*

Manny

Amazing! Simply amazing! You know with a big franchise like Star Wars the role of bad guy following his character constantly probably does get to him to an extent. It’s synonymous with how people see the character Vader, obviously. Him bringing that Clone Wars aura, that feel for THAT Anakin was studied and watched thoroughly. I can tell it meant something to him. Maybe playing the role he knew there was more to Anakin’s journey in becoming Vader that he wished something was said to further explain that, and Clone Wars did that. This shows how authentic his appreciation is for the story is to him. It felt like Clone Wars because it was. It’s so great seeing everyone again in one episode. It’s such an amazing close for the two. I also didn’t know I needed this but grateful for the awesome closure.

kamenriderhime
>>117660255

I know right?!?! Oh I know, you can tell how meticulous he was in his performance here! He really did his homework and I couldn't agree more that you can tell his whole heart was in it. I think that's a huge part of it with Clone Wars actually. It absolutely was Clone Wars!!!! Wow what an amazing experience!!! I love the closure too!!! So grateful!!! XD

kamenriderhime
>>117522245

First off, that image just says it all!!!! XD Ohhhh good call about the reference to what Luke says to Vader!! I loved Jacen and Hera listening for the lightsabers, and I agree that it's not surprising that Hera might be in tune with the Force somewhat, she just needed to really quiet her mind/spirit to get in touch with it. And the theme, omg! They know how to hit us right in the feels with the music! Yeah I was so in shock I couldn't even cry lol, but wow what a moment when they get sent back to the Clone Wars!!! That's a good point about the "foggy" atmosphere, it works on a lot of levels. Oh I know, the hand holding scene really said it all, especially for those who might not have seen Clone Wars. That's so true, this really highlights how she hasn't dealt with the fact that she was trained specifically as a weapon/warrior. And so true that Anakin's referring to not just the fact that she would've died at that time if she didn't fight, but also to the current time where she's literally fighting for her life in the World Between Worlds. OMG I just noticed the thing on his shoulder in this ep too!!!! I really hope he stays with the family like you said...between Ahsoka and Ezra, there's no need to go with Luke's crew!!! He does resemble Freddie too, they did good casting. Yeah Huyang summed up Hera perfectly!!! I agree wholeheartedly about young Ahsoka's actress - the fact that she seems so young only helps to highlight just how jarring it is that she really was so young and yet dealing with these incredibly heavy things. SO well said about where she's at mentally here - it's important to remember that all of the good things from Anakin and from her whole line of teachers - Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, etc. - are all in there too. She was brought up in one heck of a time and had to see a lot of death and destruction and be a part of it, but she's absolutely more than that! WHOA, I actually love that theory that he's the Father now!!!!! That makes a whole lot more sense too. It's right there in the name too, dang. Yeah Ahsoka isn't sweating the details now. OMG Kevin Kiner was on fire here!!! So true that she's echoing Ezra's words there. It was SO emotional!!!! I'm still reeling from it!!! What a masterpiece!!!

kamenriderhime
>>117567032

Getting exciting for things and getting distracted are like, my two biggest traits :P Oooh that is a running theme about listening, isn't it! Hahaha sometimes you gotta let the lightsabers do the talking :P That is so well said about Anakin not wanting her to bear the responsibility for a decision that he ultimately made himself. And so true that live or die isn't necessarily literal - it refers to the way in which one is living too I guess. Oh I know, I would've loved to have seen what he'd do with the role after having all that CW to draw upon, but CW has definitely made me appreciate his performance in the prequels a lot more. He does such a great job of straight up playing CW Anakin here, even his voice!!!! Yes, the reference to his fight with Luke! Gotta love that they got that in there. I love that ultimately this led her to the choice of not becoming him / not dealing the "killing" blow. HAHAHAHA Carson and Huyang for sure need a raise :P Lol yeah I'm not sure how it works for droids, but we've for sure seen personality shifts/changes for droids like Chopper over the years, so maybe! It's a wonder he doesn't explode from all the protocol violations lol! OMG that really is on the nose isn't it haha! I wish I could say I made it up myself, I actually got it from the comments on my last Rebels reaction! Ahsoka's gonna have a whale of a time for sure! Poor Hera and the red tape, ick. Omg seriously, like we're still just a little past the halfway point, so imagine what we have left in store! I mean, I both do and don't really wanna see Thrawn at this point, I know what you mean lol. Hahaha we can count on Chopper for sure!!!!!!!!

kamenriderhime
>>117589706

Oh nice that they did something similar in Shadows of the Sith! I think it would be cool if he's him but also the Father now, and he teleported her to save her and also *save* her, you know? I think you're right about the exaggerated vision vs. memory. Ohhhh is that where they were!!! That's awesome!!! Saltire, I'm so happy you went back and watched my reaction again! That's such a good note about the Ryloth arc too, I didn't even remember that!!! I love the callbacks to Luke's line to Vader, Anakin not having been there for the Siege of Mandalore, etc. And the use of music was amazing. REX!!! I love that she's got a renewed sense of purpose, clarity, etc. I love that Anakin did this for her. And that's what I was thinking too about the outfit from the end of Rebels! Interesting about the unproduced arc from CW! I agree, this was similar to RWBY V9!!!! It was an epic transformation. Saltire - I love the throwback to Ezra's words too!!!! What an ep!!!

Saltire
>>117522245

I love that this episode shows Anakin helping heal Ahsoka. The last time they met at Malachor when he was Vader, there was no peace there for her. When Ezra saves her, she tell him to let Kanan go ("you can't save your master, and I can't mine, you have to let him go"), and we see that he then does leading into the final few episodes to become a Jedi Knight himself, respectful of his master and his memory, and be himself. It appears that the shadow of what became of Anakin and the fact that she couldn't bring him back from the darkside, festered in her soul, along with everything that happened to her with the war and the Jedi Order, and after near 30 years later, she became this almost closed down figure; yes there for guidance, but who can't give herself fully to train either Grogu or Sabine the first time around, out of fear of her legacy. She helps people, but does so through the blades of her lightsabres, dealing in "death and destruction". Now her reasons for finding Sabine changes, she can fully commit to her training, to be the mentor Sabine has been needing since Mandalore fell and her parents were killed. Before all this, she was going on the hunt for Thrawn and Ezra through Morgan and Baylan, out of fear and aggression - though unknowingly - like Yoda saw he became in the war. Ahsoka was going after Thrawn and the others to bring them down firstly even before thinking of her companions. Now though, she will find Sabine and Ezra, to protect them and the others from what may be coming. Her compassion has returned as she has begun trusting in herself once again after heeding Anakin's words that she is more than a warrior and Jedi. In doing so, she has now become a keeper of the peace, not a soldier.

Cody

GOD, I was a blob of emotions at least half the episode. Seeing these two interact in live action is something I never thought we’d see and the two of them were amazing. Hayden wearing Anakin’s Clone Wars armor, making his voice sound like Matt Lanter’s Anakin, was just unbelievable. He was perfect. Not to mention getting a brief live action Rex, what seemed to be a Ryloth flashback, Siege of Mandalore! Even though it makes sense I didn’t notice the Clones had Ahsoka’s face on their helmets during the Siege cause I was too busy being emotional about everything else lol. This is without question my favorite live action Star Wars show, it’s everything I loved about Clone Wars and Rebels just brought to live action! And with us going to the new galaxy we might see Thrawn tomorrow! So excited!

kamenriderhime
>>117522245

I know, I love that too! That's so true about her words to Ezra vs. what Anakin's memory actually did to her. She definitely helps where she can, but that hesitance is always there because of his legacy. Next time she sees Sabine, things will be different for sure! She can fully embrace her compassion and go on this mission for totally different reasons than before. Oh, perfect way to sum it up!!!! Wow I love this show!!!

Nick (edited)

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2023-09-20 05:23:59 I only got to see episodes 4 and 5 on Sunday with my son, and tonight is my first opportunity to comment. Firstly, a great reaction, Mel - as ever :-) Both episodes are strong ones. I love Baylan Skoll as a character - great casting, acting and scripting to create a fascinating and complex character. I’ll just comment on episode 5, though. Episode 5 was really top tier Star Wars and there is too much to unpick in one post so I’ll just make some key observations. I was so happy when Kanan got a mention! Young Ahsoka was really well cast and well acted: it really seemed that young Ahsoka was in front of us. The actress involved had a main role in the recent Barbie movie and she was fantastic here - looking and acting the part. The siege of Mandalore section was phenomenal and all the clone wars flashbacks were of course fantastic - and we even got to see Captain Rex, which made me immensely happy! The Clone Wars scenes were all ‘foggy’ and part of that is explained by the desert landscapes and the explosions etc. However, I think the main reason for this was a deliberate choice: the idea is that because the visuals are blurry we as the viewer are not distracted too much by the visuals - the idea is that we should be focused on the dialogue between Ahsoka and Anakin. Hayden was fantastic as Anakin: it was a real pleasure watching and listening to him, and he even sounded like the animated Clone Wars Anakin. Like others, I think that he is very much The Father replacement from the Mortis arc now. The light sabre fighting between Anakin and Ahsoka was great. And I loved the way they made the World Between World look - even down to the Rebels detail of the ‘puddles’ on the floor caused by the people walking along it. My interpretation of the lesson Anakin was imparting to Ahsoka was that light and dark resides in everyone and that she was needlessly frightened and held back by this (of course she had her historical reasons for thinking this!). This fear explains various things we have seen of Ahsoka in this series and in the Mandalorian. Her refusal to teach Grogu, her past attitude towards Sabine as her apprentice, and her own ‘wooden’ demeanour (as described by some fans) until the end of this episode. Clearly Dave Filoni knew just what he was doing with his portrayal of Ahsoka and I feel foolish now for having doubted her portrayal at all. What Anakin did was get her to see and acknowledge what her fears were (reminiscent of Kanan’s training of Sabine), and also particularly to recognise and acknowledge the dark side in herself. The intense fight at the end where Anakin's eyes turn Sith, and he flickers between Anakin and Vader, push her to the dark side, which we see in her eyes which also turn sith, but we also see in the angry expression she had when holding the red Sith coloured light sabre to Anakin's throat: it’s not her own light sabre but a Sith one she holds to emphasise the darkness in her at that moment. By pushing her this hard, Anakin makes her realise that despite her being closed off from her emotions due to fear of becoming another ‘Vader’ herself, the darkness is still within her, as it is in everyone. And when she throws away the light sabre and says she chooses to live, she is then acknowledging this darkness and rejecting it through her own choice. She now realises (thanks to Anakin’s tough love lesson) that she is strong enough to make that choice and that she doesn’t have to remain fearful and emotionally closed off: she can ‘live’. And to emphasise that it is a choice, Anakin looks down and when he looks up his eyes have gone back to normal, and he is calm, friendly and smiling again. This is very much a martial arts type mentality: the ability to switch aggression on when appropriate but then turn it off. Clearly Anakin has now mastered balance within and Ahsoka knows she has too. Utterly brilliant and subtle / deep the way this was done on screen. What a fantastic episode!
2023-09-19 21:53:26 I only got to see episodes 4 and 5 on Sunday with my son, and tonight is my first opportunity to comment. Firstly, a great reaction, Mel - as ever :-) Both episodes are strong ones. I love Baylan Skoll as a character - great casting, acting and scripting to create a fascinating and complex character. I’ll just comment on episode 5, though. Episode 5 was really top tier Star Wars for me, and there is too much to unpick in one post so I’ll just make some key observations. I was so happy when Kanan got a mention! Young Ahsoka was really well cast and well acted: it really seemed that young Ahsoka was in front of us. The actress involved had a main role in the recent Barbie movie and she was fantastic here - looking and acting the part. The siege of Mandalore section was phenomenal and all the clone wars flashbacks were of course fantastic - and we even got to see Captain Rex, which made me immensely happy! The Clone Wars scenes were all ‘foggy’ and part of that is explained by the desert landscapes and the explosions etc. However, I think the main reason for this was a deliberate choice: by deliberately making the backgrounds in the Clone Wars scenes blurry we as the viewer are not distracted too much by the visuals - I think the idea of these scenes was that we should be focused on the dialogue between Ahsoka and Anakin. Hayden was fantastic as Anakin: it was a real pleasure watching and listening to him, and he even sounded like the animated Clone Wars Anakin. Like others, I think that he is effectively the Father from the Mortis arc now. The light sabre fighting between Anakin and Ahsoka was great. And I loved the way they made the World Between World look - even down to the Rebels detail of the ‘puddles’ on the floor caused by the people walking along it. My interpretation of the lesson Anakin was imparting to Ahsoka was that light and dark resides in everyone and that she was needlessly frightened and held back by this (of course she had her historical reasons for thinking this!). This fear explains various things we have seen of Ahsoka in this series and in the Mandalorian. Her refusal to teach Grogu, her past attitude towards Sabine as her apprentice, and her own ‘wooden’ demeanour (as described by some fans) until the end of this episode. Clearly Dave Filoni knew just what he was doing with his portrayal of Ahsoka and I feel foolish now for having doubted her portrayal at all. What Anakin did was get her to see and acknowledge what her fears were (reminiscent of Kanan’s training of Sabine), and also particularly to recognise and acknowledge the dark side in herself. The intense fight at the end where Anakin's eyes turn Sith, and he flickers between Anakin and Vader, push her to the dark side, which we see in her eyes which also turn sith, but we also see in the angry expression she had when holding the red Sith coloured light sabre to Anakin's throat: it’s not her own light sabre but a Sith one she holds to emphasise the darkness in her at that moment. By pushing her this hard, Anakin makes her realise that despite her being closed off from her emotions due to fear of becoming another ‘Vader’ herself, the darkness is still within her, as it is in everyone. And when she throws away the light sabre and says she chooses to live, she is then acknowledging this darkness and rejecting it through her own choice. She now realises (thanks to Anakin’s tough love lesson) that she is strong enough to make that choice and that she doesn’t have to remain fearful and emotionally closed off: she can ‘live’. And to emphasise that it is a choice, Anakin looks down and when he looks up his eyes have gone back to normal, and he is calm, friendly and smiling again. This is very much a martial arts type mentality: the ability to switch aggression on when appropriate but then turn it off. Clearly Anakin has now mastered balance within and Ahsoka knows she has too. Utterly brilliant and subtle / deep the way this was done on screen. What a fantastic episode!

I only got to see episodes 4 and 5 on Sunday with my son, and tonight is my first opportunity to comment. Firstly, a great reaction, Mel - as ever :-) Both episodes are strong ones. I love Baylan Skoll as a character - great casting, acting and scripting to create a fascinating and complex character. I’ll just comment on episode 5, though. Episode 5 was really top tier Star Wars for me, and there is too much to unpick in one post so I’ll just make some key observations. I was so happy when Kanan got a mention! Young Ahsoka was really well cast and well acted: it really seemed that young Ahsoka was in front of us. The actress involved had a main role in the recent Barbie movie and she was fantastic here - looking and acting the part. The siege of Mandalore section was phenomenal and all the clone wars flashbacks were of course fantastic - and we even got to see Captain Rex, which made me immensely happy! The Clone Wars scenes were all ‘foggy’ and part of that is explained by the desert landscapes and the explosions etc. However, I think the main reason for this was a deliberate choice: by deliberately making the backgrounds in the Clone Wars scenes blurry we as the viewer are not distracted too much by the visuals - I think the idea of these scenes was that we should be focused on the dialogue between Ahsoka and Anakin. Hayden was fantastic as Anakin: it was a real pleasure watching and listening to him, and he even sounded like the animated Clone Wars Anakin. Like others, I think that he is effectively the Father from the Mortis arc now. The light sabre fighting between Anakin and Ahsoka was great. And I loved the way they made the World Between World look - even down to the Rebels detail of the ‘puddles’ on the floor caused by the people walking along it. My interpretation of the lesson Anakin was imparting to Ahsoka was that light and dark resides in everyone and that she was needlessly frightened and held back by this (of course she had her historical reasons for thinking this!). This fear explains various things we have seen of Ahsoka in this series and in the Mandalorian. Her refusal to teach Grogu, her past attitude towards Sabine as her apprentice, and her own ‘wooden’ demeanour (as described by some fans) until the end of this episode. Clearly Dave Filoni knew just what he was doing with his portrayal of Ahsoka and I feel foolish now for having doubted her portrayal at all. What Anakin did was get her to see and acknowledge what her fears were (reminiscent of Kanan’s training of Sabine), and also particularly to recognise and acknowledge the dark side in herself. The intense fight at the end where Anakin's eyes turn Sith, and he flickers between Anakin and Vader, push her to the dark side, which we see in her eyes which also turn sith, but we also see in the angry expression she had when holding the red Sith coloured light sabre to Anakin's throat: it’s not her own light sabre but a Sith one she holds to emphasise the darkness in her at that moment. By pushing her this hard, Anakin makes her realise that despite her being closed off from her emotions due to fear of becoming another ‘Vader’ herself, the darkness is still within her, as it is in everyone. And when she throws away the light sabre and says she chooses to live, she is then acknowledging this darkness and rejecting it through her own choice. She now realises (thanks to Anakin’s tough love lesson) that she is strong enough to make that choice and that she doesn’t have to remain fearful and emotionally closed off: she can ‘live’. And to emphasise that it is a choice, Anakin looks down and when he looks up his eyes have gone back to normal, and he is calm, friendly and smiling again. This is very much a martial arts type mentality: the ability to switch aggression on when appropriate but then turn it off. Clearly Anakin has now mastered balance within and Ahsoka knows she has too. Utterly brilliant and subtle / deep the way this was done on screen. What a fantastic episode!

kamenriderhime
>>117838919

OMG right?! It was amazing! The visuals, Hayden's performance, etc. Can you believe they managed to fit in all of those throwbacks??? It's amazing! Oh that's ok, I was trying to take it all in too, there was so much going on at once! I think you're right, this one really might be the best and that's saying something. I totally get how it means even more to those of us who have such a special place in our hearts for CW and Rebels. Ahhh I'm watching the new ep today, can't wait!!!! XD

Saltire
>>117522245

Saw somebody post this. Can see Filoni making it canon! :P https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fabe4vpl8mcpb1.png

kamenriderhime
>>117904649

Hey, sorry this comment slipped through the cracks, I'm so sorry I never got back to you! Glad you were able to watch it with your son! Baylan's been fantastic! Ep 5 was amazing and I was happy about Kanan's mention too! Young Ahsoka's actress was great, I didn't realize she'd been in the Barbie movie too. And Rex, omg!!! That's true, the hazy quality helped keep Anakin and Ahsoka in focus. Hayden absolutely killed it here, even with the speech and how it was so similar to Clone Wars Anakin! I could definitely see him being the Mortis father now. I think Filoni was definitely playing the long game with his portrayal of Ahsoka, but none of that was clear until now. It makes total sense that Anakin was trying to teach her that fear of darkness within her is pointless, since we all have good and bad inside of us. Anakin literally pushed her to the brink to show her that even when emotionally detached, she still has that darkness within her anyway, like anyone would. But she chose not to give it power in that moment. A tough but profound lesson for sure! So brilliant in how it was done!!! Thanks for stopping by to share your thoughts!!

Nick

No worries - there are a lot of posts and you post a lot of stuff too: easy to miss. When you say “she chose not to give it power” is a great way of putting it. One of the interesting things about this is whether Ahsoka was really in the World Between Worlds in all of this, or whether she was really in the water the whole time and all of this really happened in her head? If she was in the World between Worlds then how did she get there?

kamenriderhime
>>119062266

Aww thanks for understanding! I'm so glad you liked my phrasing there. Ohhh that's interesting, I'd never thought about that! I kinda assumed that Anakin brought her there somehow, but we really don't have any details do we.

Nick
>>119062266

It’s definitely one of life’s little mysteries :-)