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Road to Kingdom Ace of Ace EP 4 (Patreon)

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2024-12-07 14:00:16
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Panda Truthseeker

Upgraded to Groupy First just so I could watch RTK! I would love to see you check out Cravity's MVs (preferably in chronological order) in the future, if you have time. I think you'd enjoy their albums too. They have some AMAZING gems as B-sides including Top of the Chain, Believer, Ohh Ahh, Vendi Vidi Vici, Vivid, Fly, Baddie, Cheese.. to name a few. Cravity is one of my fav groups! They deserve more recognition!

Panda Truthseeker

Also, on the topic of The Boyz, could you please react to a couple live stages for Trigger? Especially the Music Core (24/11/02) one? The performance and outfits were INSANE.

laura

Cravity's Love or Die was my fav performance of this round, Taeyoung truly is such an ace. The confetti / flower petal drop at the end was insanely beautiful. Second favorite was Younite's Waterfall, mainly because I'm a sucker for cheerful concepts and I think it fit the identity theme the most. They're basically telling the story of how Younite came together. Eunsang's mic getting stolen and him falling into the water at the beginning is about X1's sudden disbandment and how he felt lost after that. The other ace Woono is actually the first out of the Younite boys to join Eunsang as trainee.

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2024-12-10 14:14:03 I haven’t shared my opinion about this show yet until now. The reason is I watched the first two episodes a bit too late to place my comment there + also I realized I would have commented the same thing again and again… My main problem is the meaning of ace for this show and the whole concept around that. I don’t want to say: “There should have been only one ace (of each group) for the whole show”, because obviously there is no rule of having only one ace in any group. But here it feels like: “So, who will try to be/act like an ace this time?” And sometimes they actually choose the ace but there are many case, where someone was assigned to be the ace, which is weird to phrase it this way, I know. I get that the idea behind this is to let shine not only the whole group, where just one or a few members would shine and get into viewers’ minds, but this concept should provide pretty much any/possible all members to get their spotlight. But from that comes the other problem. It is not just: “Any member tries to be an ace”, but those performances may get overfocused on the ace and then it gets so complicated for me to rank it properly, because my brain goes: “That was not the assignment” and if I focus only on the ace, it happens to me that I can’t compare them properly, because it is obvious the ace was chosen because of being great dancer and I just think: “But that is called being main dancer…” By that I don’t want to say an ace has to be an all-rounder, although in most of the cases there a certain level of versatility, but the other key thing for being ace is kind of the personality itself and what the member means for the group. Like JunHyeok is straight up ace, no doubt… and although EunHwi is not that obvious and does not shine in that many aspects, I can see him being an ace/“ace in progress” because of what he means for the group. And here comes the most confusing part of this show for me… Nothing against the groups of The Crew One, but… how do you choose who the ace is if the group is formed just for this show and the group does not have any soul, since they haven’t done anything together, therefore it is impossible to say who means what for the group. I think this idea completely contradicts the idea of this show, so at least in this case they should have set one fixed ace/one from each group to let them switch between each other and make the ace(s) to career this project group. Because… even marketing-wise… if joining this show is meant to promote your group, how does this promote each of those two groups properly? Even if a member catches my interest, I don’t know at all from which group he is and although I can imagine them releasing once something together, it will not be a regular thing. And there is Oneus, who I like a lot, but it just feels unfair and it makes me think Mnet wanted to repeat the “Hui situation in Boys Planet”. So… because of all of this I have rather stayed quiet, because I did not want to complain all the time. But this episode made me think: One) These are the performances I hoped for, when I decided to watch this show! And… Two) Although my words above can be applied to performances here (and because of that I have to wait for the rest of the performances to decide whether I want to rank them all or not), this time there were two performances, which made me want to comment on them. Those two performances are Cravity’s and The New Six (now (after KyungJun’s departure) they go again by just TNX). Cravity was pretty much perfect, like if I put my strongly biased relation to TNX aside, the only critique I have is their rap line and it is not just here, here it actually fits the vision of the performance, although I can imagine the rap delivery being better, but in general this is kind of a thing I feel regarding this group based on previous performances too. The whole group feels like they have members, who are really good idols, but with that there comes also the aspect of them being those “idol rappers” and not rappers like EunHwi or Dey from Younite (who I did not know at all at first). And here comes my feedback to TNX!! This was the shit I remember from LOUD!! This was the thing I hoped they would perform live with their promotions!! But mainly… this was probably the first time I appreciated KyungJun!! You said only him could have done the intimate dance part with the lady, well… I can imagine SungJun doing it as well, but KyungJun did great regardless. But that is not all yet! I have always felt like KyungJun is a rapper, because he wanted it so bad that PSY could not say no (it is not like PSY forced him, KyungJun from really early on after he joined P Nation/any label, he always wanted to be a rapper. PSY mentioned that in LOUD that despite his shyness, he wanted to learn to rap, so P Nation tried to help him) and because of that his rap felt like he was just speaking fast to make it sound like he is rapping + the aspect of him having the “English breath/touch” in his voice. Despite him doing a fast rapping by the end here as well, it was the best one, it fit the concept perfectly and when I listened to the studio version of this song (although I waited for the performance to be watched with you here, I just could not say no, when I saw they released any new version of Love or Die…), I did not even release it was him at first, which means he has gotten better! Or… my mind simply connects sampling classical music with the first generation of Kpop way too much and this rap style reminded me of that era, so I did not mind it 😅😅 I will keep more for the next episode. All I wanted to say is that I was not sure at all if KyungJun was the right choice for the second ace, but he killed it!! To your words about Cravity having the one thing TNX did not have (making the aces visualy obvious being aces). It is not strongly obvious and regardless I prefered they did not have to tell us: “THIS IS THE ACE”, but if you focus on them more, JunHyeok and KyungJun have their collars (I hope that is what I think it is… basically the white part right below their neck standing out of the black suit/clothing around that) way more noticeable then the others, but I understand it is rather a detail than making it obvious… And about your words of this being a battle of the teams behind each group. Here I will only say this is most likely one of the reasons, why TNX did not get popular until now. One reason is them not having a proper vision and trying different things every comeback. But then also a factor of P Nation having mainly artists, who debuted elsewhere, therefore they (P Nation) have to focus only on supporting them + expanding what was already built and to all of that… all of those artists are soloists, which is a field known for PSY a lot. But managing a group is totally new for both PSY and P Nation…
2024-12-09 04:43:14 I haven’t shared my opinion about this show yet until now. The reason is I watched the first two episodes a bit too late to place my comment there + also I realized I would have commented the same thing again and again… My main problem is the meaning of ace for this show and the whole concept around that. I don’t want to say: “There should have been only one ace (of each group) for the whole show”, because obviously there is no rule of having only one ace in any group. But here it feels like: “So, who will try to be/act like an ace this time?” And sometimes they actually choose the ace but there are many cases, where someone was assigned to be the ace, which is weird to phrase it this way, I know. I get that the idea behind this is to let shine not only the whole group, where just one or a few members would shine and get into viewers’ minds, but to provide pretty much any/possibly all the members to get their spotlight. But from that comes the other problem. It is not just: “Any member tries to be an ace”, but those performances may get overfocused on the ace and then it gets so complicated for me to rank it properly, because my brain goes: “That was not the assignment” and if I focus only on the ace, it happens to me that I can’t compare them properly, because it is obvious the ace was chosen because of being great dancer and I just think: “But that is called being main dancer…” By that I don’t want to say an ace has to be an all-rounder, although in most of the cases there is a certain level of versatility, but the other key thing for being ace is kind of the personality itself and what the member means for the group. Like JunHyeok is straight up ace, no doubt… and although EunHwi is not that obvious and does not shine in that many aspects, I can see him being an ace/“ace in progress” because of what he means for the group. And here comes the most confusing part of this show for me… Nothing against the groups of The Crew One, but… how do you choose who the ace is if the group is formed just for this show and the group does not have any soul, since they haven’t done anything together, therefore it is impossible to say who means what for the group. I think this idea completely contradicts the idea of this show, so at least in this case they should have set one fixed ace/one from each group to let them switch between each other and make the ace(s) carry this project group. Because… even marketing-wise… if joining this show is meant to promote your group, how does this promote each of those two groups properly? Even if a member catches my interest, I don’t know at all from which group he is and although I can imagine them releasing something together once, it will not be a regular thing. And then there is Oneus, who I like a lot, but it just feels unfair and it makes me think Mnet wanted to repeat the “Hui situation in Boys Planet”. So… because of all of this I have rather stayed quiet, because I did not want to complain all the time. But this episode made me think: One) These are the performances I hoped for, when I decided to watch this show! And… Two) Although my words above can be applied to performances here (and because of that I have to wait for the rest of the performances to decide whether I want to rank them all or not), this time there were two performances, which made me want to comment on them. Those two performances are Cravity’s and The New Six (now (after KyungJun’s departure) they go again by just TNX). Cravity was pretty much perfect, like if I put my strongly biased relation to TNX aside, the only critique I have is their rap line and it is not just here, here it actually fits the vision of the performance, although I can imagine the rap delivery being better, but in general this is kind of a thing I feel regarding this group based on previous performances too. The whole group feels like they have members, who are really good idols, but with that there comes also the aspect of them being those “idol rappers” and not rappers like EunHwi or Dey from Younite (who I did not know at all at first). And here comes my feedback to TNX!! This was the shit I remember from LOUD!! This was the thing I hoped they would perform live with their promotions!! But mainly… this was probably the first time I appreciated KyungJun!! You said only him could have done the intimate dance part with the lady, well… I can imagine SungJun doing it as well, but KyungJun did great regardless. But that is not all yet! I have always felt like KyungJun is a rapper, because he wanted it so bad that PSY could not say no (it is not like PSY forced him, KyungJun from really early on, after he joined P Nation/any label, he always wanted to be a rapper. PSY mentioned that in LOUD that despite his shyness, he wanted to learn to rap, so P Nation tried to help him) and because of that his rap felt like he was just speaking fast to make it sound like he is rapping + the aspect of him having the “English breath/touch” in his voice. Despite him doing a fast rapping by the end here as well, it was the best one, it fit the concept perfectly and when I listened to the studio version of this song (although I waited for the performance to be watched with you here, I just could not say no, when I saw they released any new version of Love or Die…), I did not even release it was him at first, which means he has gotten better! Or… my mind simply connects sampling classical music with the first generation of Kpop way too much and this rap style reminded me of that era, so I did not mind it 😅😅 I will keep more for the next episode. All I wanted to say is that I was not sure at all if KyungJun was the right choice for the second ace, but he killed it!! To your words about Cravity having the one thing TNX did not have (making the aces visually obvious being aces). It is not strongly obvious and regardless I prefered they did not have to tell us: “THIS IS THE ACE”, but if you focus on them more, JunHyeok and KyungJun have their collars (I hope that is what I think it is… basically the white part right below their neck standing out of the black suit/clothing around that) way more noticeable then the others, but I understand it is rather a detail than making it obvious… And about your words of this being a battle of the teams behind each group. Here I will only say this is most likely one of the reasons, why TNX have not gotten popular until now. One reason is them not having a proper vision and trying different things every comeback. But then also a factor of P Nation having mainly artists, who debuted elsewhere, therefore they (P Nation) have to focus only on supporting them + expanding what was already built and to all of that… all of those artists are soloists, which is a field known for PSY a lot. But managing a group is totally new for both PSY and P Nation…

I haven’t shared my opinion about this show yet until now. The reason is I watched the first two episodes a bit too late to place my comment there + also I realized I would have commented the same thing again and again… My main problem is the meaning of ace for this show and the whole concept around that. I don’t want to say: “There should have been only one ace (of each group) for the whole show”, because obviously there is no rule of having only one ace in any group. But here it feels like: “So, who will try to be/act like an ace this time?” And sometimes they actually choose the ace but there are many cases, where someone was assigned to be the ace, which is weird to phrase it this way, I know. I get that the idea behind this is to let shine not only the whole group, where just one or a few members would shine and get into viewers’ minds, but to provide pretty much any/possibly all the members to get their spotlight. But from that comes the other problem. It is not just: “Any member tries to be an ace”, but those performances may get overfocused on the ace and then it gets so complicated for me to rank it properly, because my brain goes: “That was not the assignment” and if I focus only on the ace, it happens to me that I can’t compare them properly, because it is obvious the ace was chosen because of being great dancer and I just think: “But that is called being main dancer…” By that I don’t want to say an ace has to be an all-rounder, although in most of the cases there is a certain level of versatility, but the other key thing for being ace is kind of the personality itself and what the member means for the group. Like JunHyeok is straight up ace, no doubt… and although EunHwi is not that obvious and does not shine in that many aspects, I can see him being an ace/“ace in progress” because of what he means for the group. And here comes the most confusing part of this show for me… Nothing against the groups of The Crew One, but… how do you choose who the ace is if the group is formed just for this show and the group does not have any soul, since they haven’t done anything together, therefore it is impossible to say who means what for the group. I think this idea completely contradicts the idea of this show, so at least in this case they should have set one fixed ace/one from each group to let them switch between each other and make the ace(s) carry this project group. Because… even marketing-wise… if joining this show is meant to promote your group, how does this promote each of those two groups properly? Even if a member catches my interest, I don’t know at all from which group he is and although I can imagine them releasing something together once, it will not be a regular thing. And then there is Oneus, who I like a lot, but it just feels unfair and it makes me think Mnet wanted to repeat the “Hui situation in Boys Planet”. So… because of all of this I have rather stayed quiet, because I did not want to complain all the time. But this episode made me think: One) These are the performances I hoped for, when I decided to watch this show! And… Two) Although my words above can be applied to performances here (and because of that I have to wait for the rest of the performances to decide whether I want to rank them all or not), this time there were two performances, which made me want to comment on them. Those two performances are Cravity’s and The New Six (now (after KyungJun’s departure) they go again by just TNX). Cravity was pretty much perfect, like if I put my strongly biased relation to TNX aside, the only critique I have is their rap line and it is not just here, here it actually fits the vision of the performance, although I can imagine the rap delivery being better, but in general this is kind of a thing I feel regarding this group based on previous performances too. The whole group feels like they have members, who are really good idols, but with that there comes also the aspect of them being those “idol rappers” and not rappers like EunHwi or Dey from Younite (who I did not know at all at first). And here comes my feedback to TNX!! This was the shit I remember from LOUD!! This was the thing I hoped they would perform live with their promotions!! But mainly… this was probably the first time I appreciated KyungJun!! You said only him could have done the intimate dance part with the lady, well… I can imagine SungJun doing it as well, but KyungJun did great regardless. But that is not all yet! I have always felt like KyungJun is a rapper, because he wanted it so bad that PSY could not say no (it is not like PSY forced him, KyungJun from really early on, after he joined P Nation/any label, he always wanted to be a rapper. PSY mentioned that in LOUD that despite his shyness, he wanted to learn to rap, so P Nation tried to help him) and because of that his rap felt like he was just speaking fast to make it sound like he is rapping + the aspect of him having the “English breath/touch” in his voice. Despite him doing a fast rapping by the end here as well, it was the best one, it fit the concept perfectly and when I listened to the studio version of this song (although I waited for the performance to be watched with you here, I just could not say no, when I saw they released any new version of Love or Die…), I did not even release it was him at first, which means he has gotten better! Or… my mind simply connects sampling classical music with the first generation of Kpop way too much and this rap style reminded me of that era, so I did not mind it 😅😅 I will keep more for the next episode. All I wanted to say is that I was not sure at all if KyungJun was the right choice for the second ace, but he killed it!! To your words about Cravity having the one thing TNX did not have (making the aces visually obvious being aces). It is not strongly obvious and regardless I prefered they did not have to tell us: “THIS IS THE ACE”, but if you focus on them more, JunHyeok and KyungJun have their collars (I hope that is what I think it is… basically the white part right below their neck standing out of the black suit/clothing around that) way more noticeable then the others, but I understand it is rather a detail than making it obvious… And about your words of this being a battle of the teams behind each group. Here I will only say this is most likely one of the reasons, why TNX have not gotten popular until now. One reason is them not having a proper vision and trying different things every comeback. But then also a factor of P Nation having mainly artists, who debuted elsewhere, therefore they (P Nation) have to focus only on supporting them + expanding what was already built and to all of that… all of those artists are soloists, which is a field known for PSY a lot. But managing a group is totally new for both PSY and P Nation…

Lilac Kaur

Cravity Taeyoung has really caught my eye in every performance, even sugar rush ride when he wasn’t the ace. My favourite part is also the confetti and roses falling but right as that happens, increasing the saturation back to normal (after it being low all performance) rlly emphasises the bright passionate red of their outfits and the roses and gave me chills. I loved Kyungjun (his rap in this performance top literally anything he has ever done) but definitely agree with ur opinion of taehyun and sungjun being eye-catching performers!!! Taehyun rlly had my attention since his debut showcase performance of MOVE. To me kyungjun stood out a lot, with the dance he did with the lady and the rap at the end, but junhyeok didn’t have as eye catching of a part outside of the intro bcus he mainly did vocals (which i feel like never gets noticed unless its like a super super crazy high note)

Mariah

hope to see your reaction the Cravity unaired performance from the first episode! it’s on Youtube, it’s called Veni Vidi Vici

Alison Renaud

Just from these 4 groups Cravity definitely one it for me! But I cant say anything else till you watch the last 3 perform 🤐 As for your comments on 8turn aces, isnt that the point of having two aces? The fact that they focused solely on them was what it was supposed to be? The other groups have so much more experience on them but yet 8turn did the best focusing on their aces. Also Cravity Taeyong and Minhee of course! For the rest of 8turns, it was a tad bit too much. It felt like the opposite of their first performance where you could actually tell who they are. The Egyptian concept threw me off tbh. It was an incredible stage don't get me wrong and they did AMAZING. Maybe because Ive seen the whole show, I think that should have been saved for a later stage but I cant comment till you watch it lol. Also Hyeongjuns doe eyes looking up at me when I met Cravity last year is one of the most intense things I've experienced meeting a kpop group! When I got to him at the table when they were signing my album he just looked up at me and his eyes went so wide and were shinning so bright! It was so intense.

RoseStar

I am so proud of Kyungjun being so shy and an Introvert to step out of his shy Introvert comfort zone to be one of the ACEs for this round I applaud Kyungjun for that. I for one love TNX’s performance. Junhyeok flexing his vocals while helping his partner Kyungjun up the Ladder. TNX took the risk of focusing more on the Identity Mission than the ACE part, for to TNX all 6 members are the ACEs. I really also love love CRAVITY’s performance. It was like I was watching an Award Show Performance. Minhee and Taeyoung were amazing as the ACEs. I hope you do check out Love or Die and CRAVITY’s new comeback Now or Never.

Ri
>>157892987

I think it’s all about balance. There’s a lot of discourse about the ace concept in this show, so I think all groups are valid for critique since it’s impossible to precisely balance both the ace roles and highlighting the group as a whole. For example, what I liked about Cravity’s approach both here and in the previous round was how the aces were incorporated mainly through story (as well as having dance solos etc), but other members still have long center portions, lines, and distinction from the background dancers. I think all of the groups, not just 8turn, suffer a bit from the ace concept because they recognize it’s better to just push one or two members as faces to attract new audiences. And I loved 8turn’s performance and effort here! But I definitely see PD’s side about it washing out the other members, considering they’re a decently large group.

Alison Renaud
>>157892987

Oh totally it's about balance. Mnet should not have made them have 2 aces for the IDENTITY round. Just because of how this round was suppose to let them showcase their own songs and identity but then having them pick two aces kind of defeated the definition of identity. Identity round should have been for the WHOLE group. Combining the two was not a good decision. Which also ties into what PD said about how drastically different the groups are in their experiences. Not only on stage but also how they connect as a team. They need time and bonding to do that and some of these groups like 8turn and TheCrew One have not had that time and it shows. It is interesting to see how they overcome those differences like with 8turns aces having great chemistry.

Rachael Tie

This was 100000% TNX best performance. They all killed it. I hope we see more of this type of thing from them moving forward. Also if it’s any surprise, Hwi wrote the rap part for Kyungjun. Highly their behind videos on YouTube if you get a chance.

izzy

i really like how thenewsix transported the emotion to the audience

hai_rene

cravity are a group of criers. it's very wholesome hahaha. but yea, their performances have been so captivating and the members are too. you can really tell they are experienced idols and I only recently learnt about how their manager on a documentary said there was nothing special about them and he didn't see any potential. to think that happened quite recently is so upsetting because it's so so obviously not true. Oh and they didn't show it but minhee actually did have a stage accident, the in-ears flew off during the piano scene which was why he may have stumbled or been off beat, he couldn't hear anything. I will say, the budget gap makes me sad. I'm quite aware of how so much of this is who has the best creative director, choreographer, producer, etc. and starship has that money. it's why when people complain about the quality of performances on road to kingdom I have to stress that these are mostly small companies with small budgets, they haven't been able to hit big and money is hella important to that. there are obv teams here that also have strong backings within their companies but yea still sad to see also if u love the sound of cravity's love or die, you are gonna love their recent comeback now or never. it was my first comeback with them but genuinely think it's one of the best music videos I've seen in 2024. they leveled the hell up after road to kingdom

Marco Gennuso

Not only was that a FANTASTIC performance from TNX, that new redo of the song goes so bloody hard - I've been listening to the official release since it dropped. It's such a beautiful journey beginning with tenderness and ending with such intensity that this has become such a highlight from them 🔥🔥🔥

Luana Sophia

I love Taeyoung he always grabbed my attention in Cravity, specially because he’s looks remind me a little bit of Kai. I’ve always liked Cravity, they got me curious after X1’s disbandment (Minhee with the bleached hair triggered war memories) and in my opinion they got a mix of WJSN and recent Itzy treatment, great songs sitting right the rim their discography but not being picked as the title (since their first album they even have B-sides that were produced by Jooheon), things started to change from Party Rock, but i got kinda tired of going through another WJSN trauma, but watching Road To Kingdom (After i rage dropped because of the foolery of the first episode) is making me eager to go back and check the albums i didn’t listen. THAT’S HOW GOOD THEY ARE.

steet

As someone whose first introduction to TNX is this show, I agree that it feels like they're being mismanaged and I feel like they're not aware of their own strengths yet. For me personally, I really wanted to see more of Taehun and Hwi because I feel like their potential is huge and they have the determination to show it. Maybe they just need a little nudge in the right direction. Which is to say this group does intrigue me and I liked them so far, it just feels like they aren't able to show the full extent of what they can do. What was also kind of disappointing for me was them mixing their song with swan lake, not only because I've seen several artists do it before, but because the round is literally called identity. I would have loved something more true to the original of the song since I'm not familiar with them at all. Also since the original song sounds amazing from what I've heard. The two groups I was most impressed with this episode were cravity and 8turn because I think 8turn really upgraded their performance by thinking about concepts and storylines instead of only covering a song. Which there's nothing wrong with but I think they really improved. And cravity really really impressed me here. I mean I did kind of know about them before this show, though not really, which is why I looked forward to them the most but this round really felt like a Road to Kingdom performance. My jaw literally dropped when the confetti fell. Their concept was pretty clear and matched the song which I always appreciate (I agree that it's nice when the performance matches the lyrics because it's a pet peeve of mine when it has mothing to do with what's being sung. There's no meaning behind their words or what's being shown then). Also the creativity behind it and how they used the props was really satisfying. I really appreciate when people get the full potential of the prop. So just like you said you might, I might check them out more sometime soon as well. Regarding the idea of what an ace is, I think I mostly agree. It's not about skill alone, nor is it visual (as some groups seem to think), but about the charisma you bring to the table. At least that's how I understood it. On that note, I think it would have been nice to get some more information from the show what being an ace entails. But either way, I find that rewatching the performances without audience cuts really elevated them for me so it's nice to rewatch it this way!