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RFR Q&A #59: Attack Of The Clones Appreciation (Patreon)

Published:
2021-03-23 21:11:56
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2023-10-20 19:19:56
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2025-01
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We look back at STAR WARS EPISODE II: ATTACK OF THE CLONES and pick apart some of our favorite moments in the film. RFR VIP Edward Ramoska, who grew up with the Prequel Trilogy, joins Jimmy Mac for this multi-generational retrospective to discuss plot, acting, effects, music and behind-the-scenes stories, all from the fans point of view.

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Jared Cantor

My favorite prequel movie, I think. I liken it to last jedi in that both have amazing moments while a lot is sort of eh, meh, and crud

Kirk Leppert

Kudos Ed! Great Q&A! I gotta go find that YouTube behind the scenes clips.

DarthMosk
>>56221248

Hey thanks bro! Here it is! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmMkkkEplbM

Sean W. from Warsaw

Can't wait to listen to this! I've always been a massive prequel fan and I've always loved this movie. Saw this one the most in theaters. Saw it in normal projection I think twice, the then-new digital, IMAX,

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>56223971

And then a week after the IMAX release it came out on DVD and I saw it again! I always loved the atmosphere of this film. Something constantly oppressive or shadowy all throughout. Love it.

Hunter Chambers

Not to disparage or take away anything from all the other great q&a hosts, but Ed is quickly becoming my favorite of them all. Awesome stuff

Antonio from NJ

Great q&a ed! Like seeing the "younger" gen representing (i fall more or less into this range). @jimmy i think you gotta leave solo be for a few years man. Trying to force yourself now to rewatch it is only going to keep it tainted. Maybe revisit it in 5 years, who knows.

Jeff Holland

Great Q&A Ed! You talking about the Dexter Jettster, "...how big your pocketbook is..." scene gets me to thinking. What if Obi-Wan had his Galactic Republic checkbook with him when he 1st went to Kamino. He could have just asked the Kaminoans how much Tyrannus paid them, and tell them he would double it if they told hiim everything about the Clones. The Clone Wars could have ended before it began! Ha Ha!

BenR

The character of Moz offered some Dexter Jettster style scenes in the sequel trilogy, in terms of a quirky alien w/ a bit part. And of course the main man himself: Babu Frik

Tyler Page

Prequels all the way baby! I really enjoyed this one!

Joe Dallas

Great show Ed! I love Attack Of The Clones.... Came at a time in my life that I finally had enough money to buy every figure-lol! As long as other people don’t love it- my figures will be more valuable! Gonna wait this out....

Joe Dallas

And also... Dex is the Best!

DarthMosk
>>56223971

Hope it didn’t disappoint! I gotta agree, there’s something in the atmosphere about AOTC that really sets it apart!

Brett

One of my favorite memories as a kid was when my parents randomly took us to see Ep.2 in theaters. We didn't know what we were going to see, then when it turned out to be Star Wars I was so excited. Loved every minute and still do. As an adult I see the obvious flaws, but I still love this movie. There's alot to love about Ep.2.

Ryan Parker

Great job, enjoyed the discussion!

Commander Bly

HAHAHA! “Take someone else’s ball sack...”😅

DarthMosk
>>56294902

Thanks man! I gotta agree! Can’t wait for your next episode. Enjoy the figures you love and forget the haters!

DarthMosk
>>56253153

Thanks man! I def want to know how much the Jedi order took up in the Republic’s budget and if Obi-Wan had a corporate credit card for the temple Lol

DarthMosk
>>56251038

😅 thanks man! We all do our best; it’s so much fun to get to co-host with JMac. Hopefully my audio will be better by the time I finally get a legit microphone.

Sean W. from Warsaw

Man, I feel like conversations like this--positive, thoughtful conversations--about the prequels are so rare that they're genuine gems to me given how much flak I've always heard surrounding them. Thank you guys so much for bringing this to the table with so much class. There's so much I could say! The focus bias for these films on the part of so many audience members is something I've never encountered with really any other films, where people see certain negative things and hold those to the detriment of the rest of the film, and consequently throw the baby out with the bath water. It's so unfortunate, and I've never understood it. It's in part because of how the prequels were responded to for so long, and still are, that I have had to challenge myself to approach the ST with the same fairness and positive critique that I challenge others with for the prequels. Man, it's a tough pill to swallow! But so rewarding. :D The prequels bring a ton of meaningful change like that into these conversations that can't be underestimated.

Sean W. from Warsaw

I also wanted to thank you, Edward, for your shoutout to me! I'm not accustomed to anything like that so it's deeply felt on my part that I must be doing something right. As a comment on what you brought up about linking the PT with not just the OT but also the ST, I wanted to share an observation I wish I had made in my last episode when talking about Ben Solo sharing his essence and all that. Did anyone ever make the connection that that wad exactly the sort of thing Anakin was looking to be able to achieve with both his mother and Padme...? I think this observation ties the ST all the way back to the PT pretty remarkably! Jimmy had brought up in my last episode how the Sith (likely) have a way of taking the essence of each Sith Lord who came before to continue to pass on their overall power, and this is precisely what Anakin tries to do, in a sense, for Padme. (The details of how exactly he would save her from death are vague, but this is the impression I got.) So, it's ironic Ben Solo does the exact inverse of this. It makes me wonder where he learned it from since, seemingly, no one seemed to know about it in even the prime era of the Jedi, in the prequels. Anyways, this makes me appreciate Anakin and his struggles so much more, and shows how his story comes full circle, in a way, from Ep. 2, especially, in seeking how to stop people from dying, all the way down to his grandson in Ep 9 who discovered that exact same thing. That fulfillment of the Skywalker legacy and making the family whole, in many respects, by redeeming the mistakes of the past and bringing something new out of it with a sort of spiritual continuation of that lineage is pretty mind-blowing. Ep 2 becomes that much better of a story, even though I've always loved it. Like Edward said, you're always finding more to love!

Philip Eighteen

Just re watched attack of the clones after listening to this. Fantastic film... that battle at the end Still holds up with any of the modern films. I wonder if we will ever see that many live action jedi fighting at the same time again!

Cody from Huntsville

Awesome Q&A! Love hearing quality prequel discussions

David Fieldsend
>>56361428

I’ll have to do a re-watch again of the Sequels, because thats an interesting point, Sean. I had thought the life-saving essence transfer was specific to the Force Dyad that Rey and Ben shared. Does a Force Dyad appear anywhere else in canon before the Sequels, does anyone know, or did it get introduced then?

David Fieldsend

Interesting and fun discussion, Edward! The OT came out when i was a little kid, and that definitely prejudiced my appreciation of the PT, but the 2 things that got me to alter my perspective and come to enjoy them were first Filoni’s Clone Wars which filled out the stories and mythologies in such a richer and fun way, and secondly my kids reactions to the PT. They loved them wholeheartedly from the first time they saw them, and it gave me a perspective of enjoying them without the nostalgia of the OT getting in the way. Great show!

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>56361428

I actually just recently came to a mind-blowing observation about this. I don't know of any other reference to a dyad in Star Wars, but dig this: There already is precedent for the Ben Solo essence transfer theory: The precedent is found in the Mortis arc of the Clone Wars.   It's in the episode when the Daughter dies to give her life force over to Ahsoka to bring her back to life. Ahsoka died with a dark essence in her far worse than the dark essence of Palpatine's blood being in Rey, because in Ahsoka's case she was literally being controlled by the Son. She had no will of her own. And yet, when she was brought back to life by the Daughter, she was restored to herself again. The Daughter died so Ahsoka could live.   But even while Ahsoka was restored there was an aspect to her that became more and more reminiscent of the Daughter over time. At the end of the Rebels series Ahsoka seems to be a very different person. She's even dressed all in white robes and bears a white staff, visualizing her inner change in nature, being very reminiscent of Gandalf the White. We even see that strange owl-like creature, Morai, accompany her in many places. This creature is very likely related in some way to the Daughter. In fact, in Rebels, when Ahsoka reappears in the World Between Worlds, and she introduces the creature to Ezra, you faintly hear the voice of the Daughter say "I am the Daughter." Ahsoka lives in large part because the Daughter is both with and a tangible part of her.   So, it's more than just possible that Rey truly becomes a Skywalker in every sense of the word by means of Ben Solo transferring his life essence no different than the Daughter did.  How much moreso given they are a dyad: Two that are one? And this would subsume whatever dark essence she had inherited from Palpatine, an essence that is real and tangible.   As further support of this whole theory that someone's life essence can truly transform another person, for good or for ill, consider that Palpatine's whole plan was for him to take over Rey completely with his spirit, effectively replacing her. It's different from my theory above in that he would be taking over her whole spirit and not restoring her with a new life or new identity even while she remained herself. But it's similar enough to lend support to the way I've theorized the Force works.   Essentially, you could say Ben Solo does for Rey what the Son should have done for his sister, the Daughter, when she died. This would have restored the relationship between the Son and the Daughter and would have had restorative ramifications on the rest of the galaxy, as well. That we get a kind of inverse mirror image of this between Rey and Ben Solo is fairly poetic!

Sean W. from Warsaw
>>56361428

I'm also really curious to know about the dyad as a concept from real world mythology, which could potentially she'd more light on the essence transfer theory I proposed. I remember Chris Terrio mentioning he got the dyad idea from Joseph Campbell's works, but I'm not that familiar with his stuff, so I don't know where to find it. Anyone else know...? I've actually proposed to do a Q and A with Jimmy on this subject, but obviously I gotta do some homework! Just not really sure where to begin....