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Breaking Bad 5x8 (Patreon)

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Lorenzo Baxter

Whatever your thoughts are about Walt, he absolutely had power. That's not even up for debate. He didn't care about having backup or support. Why would he be concerned about paying off prisoners when the simpler solution is to kill them off? Why care about a book in your bathroom when you're on top of the world and think that could never happen? The Fly at the start was a great touch. It represents guilt, just like it did in the Fly episode back in season 3. Walts guilt comes back, but about his reckless murder of Mike. It sucks you guys didn't have much to say about the towel dispenser. That whole scene with him getting scanned again and seeing just how much time has passed by looking at that dented dispenser was awesome. Things were so much more simple back then when Walt and Jesse got trapped in the desert. This episode was a mid-season finale as it aired. So yeah, this was a big turning point in the show and people had to wait an extended period of time before getting any more answers. That must've been agony 😅

MKF1004

Now go ahead and wait a year before starting the next episode like we all had to 🤣

Justin

The episode has a lot of callbacks while advancing the story significantly. It's titled Gliding Over All for a few reasons, the episode glides over a good amount of time- 3 months I believe. Obviously the fly and fly poster from the opening scene. Hank gliding over Walter being his Heisenberg and "gliding" is mentioned in the Walt Whitman poem. Hank's summer job of marking specific trees in a certain grid, crews coming later and finding the trees and cutting them down is a simile for Walt using Jack's crew to take out those 10 guys in jail. I love Walt's realization in this episode of enough is enough. Walt looking at the mangled towel dispenser thinking how far he's come since 4 Days Out specifically, to bringing up the RV at Jesse's- reminiscing on the "good old days". You can see Walt still looks at him as a son. Jr. playing peekaboo with Holly at Hank and Marie's is a callback to the Peekaboo episode 0206. Holly even has orange on for the red head kid from the episode. There's a black beetle (another symbol of innocence) in Walt's backyard in that final scene, also a callback to the opening scene of Peekaboo. Holly is wearing pink in that scene, also symbolism for innocence from the teddy bear in season 2. So many callbacks leading up to one of the biggest moments the audience has been waiting for for almost the entire show- Hank finding out about Walt. The painting from the hospital in 0203 is in this episode but this particular one looks a lot more weathered- a clever way of saying even though Walt is out of the game, he's already departed- tainted and there's no going back to a "normal life" with his family. The man in the painting is departing from his family while gliding over the blue water. "Learn to take 'yes' for an answer" is what Mike told Walt in the past as well as Walt starting to have his drinks on the rocks as a nod to Mike after he killed him. Walt mimicked Gus and Mike after each their death. Lydia's line: "We're going to make a lot of money together" is Tuco's line to Walt from season 1.

Chris Bruneau

just remember girls, we had to wait A WHOLE YEAR to find out how this shit was going to play out. But let me assure you, y'all are in for one Helluva ride!!!!!!!!!!

Brandon Williams

I love how every criticism of Walt they had in this episode, he completely proved them wrong within a couple minutes. Said he had no power, then killed every witness. Said he’s not good at business, then piled up a crazy stack of cash. Said he wasn’t happy and didn’t have his family, then they show his family together and looking happy. lol, come on ladies stop being haters.

Stanley Etienne

You girls haven't seen anything yet. Hang on tight, cause it's about to get crazy. BTW you guys should check out The Godfather, if you haven't seen it yet. Very influential to this episode, and a lot of media in the last 50 years.

Tim Martin

The scene with Walt on the PET/CT table (or whatever) and then in the bathroom looking at the towel dispenser he punched after finding out he was in remission…it made me think this was meant as a hint that his cancer has returned. Wondering if anyone else thought the same? Next episode phrase of the week is… “Hello, Carol”

Dan
>>142332922

Yeah this show does callbacks better than any other. There was a great moment of Cranston's facial/eye acting that foreshadowed even viewing the dispenser to show us where he was at mentally. Funny that Ariana saw how unhappy Walt was, but still couldn't believe he'd give up the life. Oh well, he's probably got bigger things to worry about now...

Lorenzo Baxter
>>142332922

I mean to be fair, I've seen a lot of other reactors just refuse to believe anything Walt says at this point (and for understandable reasons, the man is anything but stable at this point) but him actually ramping down after the chaos and death he's recently wrought with Mike and the witnesses, and seeing just how successful he's gotten, it was another perfect storm to show him "Okay, maybe I really have gotten where I've wanted to be, I can ramp down and try to relax now with all my hard earned money". And it was slightly relieving to see some semblance of the old Walt come back from his megalomania, smiling seeing Jesse's bong, looking back at old times with jus surrogate son, and giving him what he's earned, without any animosity. None of this is to defend Walt, but this episodes turn was an oddly salient moment before the absolute bombshell at the end, that of course will shake up everything, whether Walt is out of the game or not.

Jeffrey Phillips

Damn give Walt a little bit of credit girls . He's only the main character of the show

Paul Walker

We're so close yet so far from the end...

briandamage91

Show is called breaking bad. Can you just stop whining about Walt in every scene. Its gets difficult to enjoy your reactions.

Kara

Great reaction! If I had an inscribed book from my meth cook partner whose death I ordered, who was also the known target of a DEA investigation by my brother in law, who I had a joke convo with about W.W being "walter white", i simply wouldn't keep the book in my guest bathroom... not hard! /s. They kept us guessing on what the mid-season twist would be, but it makes so much sense in retrospect, it was always heading here. It had to, Walt versus Hank. Chris said it above but it was literally a full year's wait before the next episode. the subreddit was going absolutely feral. Jesse scene is heartbreaking, he really thought he was about to die, same with Lydia. Saul is only in 1 or 2 shots but he also has a look on his face. Walt become 'the danger' to the 1 character he cares about the most (after family) 😔 congrats my guy

Chris Bruneau

the girls analysis is partly wrong, Walt is not stupid (but his arrogance does blind him sometimes), and he DOES know how to run a business (see big pile of cash in storage room) But, yes he is a monster, so both things can be true at the same time.

Steph

A filming locations video would be awesome! Good stuff, your thoughts about Walt and Todd's relationship are spot on IMO. Really excited for y'all to get into BCS, not in the least because people will stop complaining about you not appreciating the actions or liking the character traits of one of the most egotistical antiheroes in television history. Some of the comments here are getting really weird.

S13 Drift

Like Donkey Kong Indeed

Smapdi
>>142365476

Yeah, I've noticed some weirdly aggressive comments under these BB reactions too. Some people need to take a chill-pill. The ladies are having a perfectly natural reaction to a reprehensible character. A very well-written and acted character, but not a good guy, or someone to aspire to.

BobJ

I understand the hate for Walt, but there is misunderstanding on one part here, IMHO. When Lydia says that she was in the final stages of working out the deal with Fring, the comment was "see, you F'ed it all up". Walt may have f'ed things up for others, but he didn't for himself. At that time, he is Gus' position and expanding the operation beyond what Gus had ever done. Walt was in the exact spot he wanted to be. Mike may have said you blew everything up, which is true, but Walt reshaped it successfully. Walt successfuly rose to the top of the food chain, and controlled everything from the product, to the distribution.

Sara Something
>>142337602

You know, it takes a special type of person to put a pretend tv character above real live people. I suggest just not watching these reactions anymore because the only dog brain yapper I see here is you.

Demented Avenger
>>142365476

I'm not sure I'd say natural. Walt's a piece of shit; we understand this as an audience, but I don't think we need constant reminders. Anything Walt does, we get a comment about it. I think they go overboard. He isn't a real person.

Andrew

I usually defend your criticism of Walt because he deserves to be criticized and judged. But I have to agree with the others in saying that it gets increasingly harder to enjoy your reactions when every time Walt breathes you say something extremely negative about him.

Anto
>>142396189

He didn't do shit. Gus built those connections and naturally they moved to the new cook.

Anto
>>142352661

Then don't watch them. They're natural, let them be.

Anto
>>142337602

Brandon, if you really hate them so much and love Walter like that. Why are you still here complaining.

Anto
>>142332922

Why do those things? Well, for the same reasons Mike did it, you try not to be a full piece of shit while staying in the business. Trying to be a good person even if you do crime.

BobJ
>>142396189

Those connections, Declan and crew, were competitors to Gus. Todd’s crew of goons was not associated with Gus at all, but rather clients of Saul. Gus built the super lab, but Walt’s methods with the tented houses replaced that successfully. The international distribution was through lydia, which is an associate of Gus, but it was Lydia’s idea and she brought it to both Gus and Walt. Gus did not come up with that. It stings, and people don’t like it, but Walt was able to rebuild what he tore down to the same success as Gus. His arrogance was his downfall, not his abilities.

Eric Wall
>>142396189

Yeah, I’ve been waiting for this episode to say that Mike’s solution to the witnesses was a half-measure to Walt’s full-measure. Mike can talk about things you do “in the real world” all he wants, but the real reason he wasn’t willing to kill them was because they were “his guys”. They were not, however, Walt’s guys. Walt and Lydia’s plan for them was what *actually* clears the way for the operation to proceed. Much of the mess that occurs early in this season is a direct result of Mike being unwilling to deal with the problem in a decisive way. Walt’s frustration at Mike protecting the people most capable of bringing them down was 100% justified. His fears were 100% realized; and not because *he* screwed up, but because Mike legitimately got outmaneuvered by Hank. As soon as Mike is out of the way, we’re shown that Walt’s preferred strategy for dealing with this problem is decisively more effective than Mike’s. The season long danger ceases to be a problem within 30 minutes of Mike no longer being an obstacle. Walt may be no Gus. But Mike was no Walt. I like Mike. I do. But from Gale’s killing, to the magnet trick, to the train heist, to the witnesses, Walt’s strategies routinely ran circles around what Mike could even conceive of as a possibility. If Mike had been willing to let Walt and Lydia deal with this, *he* would be alive right now. He never would’ve had to run in the first place. In more ways than one, Mike misjudging and underestimating Walt is what ultimately got him killed.

BobJ
>>142396189

One more thing I would add…..Walt’s downfall was his pride and ego. Gus’ downfall was his need for vengeance. Walt saw an opportunity to use that against Gus and took him out. Some want to believe that Walt just stumbled into the position at the top, but that isn’t the case……and his downfall is a deserving. He fumbled the ball on the one yard line while dancing into the end zone

Eric Wall
>>142365476

My only worry is when the hate spills over so bad that they’re missing stuff that they would probably be catching if they weren’t semi-blinded by the rage. Like when they say he’s not a businessman during a scene where he’s negotiating a lucrative business deal. And this is only two episodes after he negotiated a better deal than Mike for the methylamine. They’ve been reacting like everything he does is stupid, even though the only real mistake he made so far this season was leaving that book on the toilet. Sure his ego is out of control. But part of the reason for that is because he IS pretty good this. He outplayed Gus, he strategized better than Mike, and then he became Lydia’s partner by default. His ego isn’t inflated because he’s delusional. It’s inflated because he’s been nonstop winning all season. They seem to be coming out of these scenes without noticing that Walt’s been winning the whole time.

Eric Wall
>>142356187

It’s really funny how Saul basically strong armed Walt into working with him and by the end of it just wants it to be over with. Walt was like a wish granted by a monkey’s paw.

Eric Wall
>>142396189

If it’s a contest between leaving a book on the toilet and leaving your mortal enemy alive in a nursing home, I’d have to say Gus made the far stupider mistake.

Eric Wall
>>142332922

What’s interesting is that, while Mike wouldn’t have killed his guys, I think Gus would have. Especially if Gus saw the DEA getting *this* close. And if Gus had been the one to tell Mike his guys needed to be killed, Mike would not have given all these condescending speeches about how dumb Gus is. Mike would’ve just killed his own guys and deposited the check while looking sad.

Lorenzo Baxter
>>142332922

Well I don't know about that. Gus probably would never put himself in a position where he'd need to dispose of people like that. If anything, I think he wouldve trusted Mike to handle his guys how he sees fit because he knows Mike can handle it. Hank would never have gotten on to Gus in the first place if Walt kept his mouth shut at dinner. All of these events shows just how much of a chaotic force Walt was for them 😅

Eric Wall
>>142332922

Obviously Walt is a huge part of the reason Gus was feeling pressure in season 4, but Gus was absolutely willing to kill his way to the top. What he does with the twins, Bolsa and the rest of the cartel makes that plainly evident. Mike has faithfully executed Gus’ murderous rise with an almost 100% follow through rate. If Gus wants to kill a couple dozen cartel members in two hours, Mike helps. So if Gus wanted to kill Mike’s incarcerated guys in two minutes, we know Mike would help that too. They may be his guys, but they’re still in the game.

Lorenzo Baxter
>>142332922

Nah, that's not Mike's code. His guys are protected by him. All the people Gus killed were his enemies. Killing your enemies doesn't equate to killing allies by risk of them becoming liabilities. Gus runs a well put together ship, so he wouldn't be in a position where that would need to be considered. And after what he did to Victor, nah Mike wouldn't just follow orders on that.

Jorge Inho
>>142337602

I think they are biased against Walt and disagree with much of what they say, but there's no need to be rude...

Cactus Juice

I love the part when maple syrup speaks over dialogue in the show and misses it because she loves Walt so much.

Colorado people’s press

Rather though guys be genuine than start doing fake reactions to make people happy. Just do what you gonna do. People are being a bit dramatic

cat named toebean
>>142365476

That’s what people don’t understand, we get they don’t like Walt, we understand he is a bad guy. But there’s other elements to the story that make it such a good one, there’s other characters and plot lines. Things they’re missing because they’re so focused over a fictional characters intonation and obvious manipulation. They think everyone loves Walt and act like they’re the only ones who can see the cartoonish amounts of evil written into his character. It’s very annoying to tune into each time and basically have the same reactions.

cat named toebean

Someone please explain to me why it’s entirely correct for Arianna and Maple to react genuinely, but god forbid us viewers express our genuine opinions and reactions in the comments. You guys think you’re critical thinkers but just default to “agree with me or you’re mean” as an argument.

cat named toebean
>>142352661

We’re having natural reactions too chief, they don’t have a patent on reacting genuinely. We’re ALL human here.

cat named toebean

Really? All that bitching and moaning for Walt, but when we see literal Neo-Nazi’s, it’s crickets? Do you not see why people are annoyed with how much you shit on Walt?

cat named toebean
>>142442491

Oh it’s worse, they’re actively yelling at Walt to cooperate with the neo-Nazi’s better. Gotcha.

potato salad

they can love or hate walt or do whatever they want, its their reactions. but i take personal offense everytime they take a jab at walts baldness which has nothing to do with anything and makes me feel bad for being bald

David K

I understand why you don't like Walt. But why do you love Gus so much? He was just as bad, if not worse, than Walt. Gus ordered the execution of a child and you guys call him Daddy Gus? It's super creepy and weird. It's like those people who write love letters to serial killers.

briandamage91
>>142438924

What is the point of watching a show if you speak over every major dialogue

Nouri
>>142365476

Turning Walt into a 2-dimensional Disney villain is no different than rationalizing everything he does as necessary and without alternative in any given situation.

Nouri
>>142451919

Everybody loves Mike. A murderer working for a child-killing drug lord to "help his family".

Elesh
>>142352661

If everyone in the world never critique something we wouldn't get anywhere. Competition and critique are the biggest drives in improvement. I hate people who don't understand the importance of critique. Like really how simple minded you have to be. Girls make great reactions but in breaking bad they literally often times don't react or discuss the scene in the show because they are too busy yapping for 100th time walt bad so I as a consumer and paying customer have the right to voice my opinion about it.

Elesh

Girls your hate for Walt is totally understandable but we heard it 100 times now. You sometimes miss entire scenes or don't react/discsus them because you are keep going on about Walt being awful. If you want to rant about Walt just do it at the end of the episode where you always do post episode analysis cause you are ruining reactions otherwise

Jeffrey Phillips

When maple says Walt is stupid she is categorically, demonstrably wrong

Elesh
>>142438924

No one is asking them to do fake reactions just stop missing entire freaking scenes because of Walt rant. Literally 60% of the reaction is Walt rant. They can do it no problem with it just do it at the end of the episode which is the time they always discuss the episode

Elesh
>>142451919

It's just bias. And lack of critical thinking on their part. I don't blame them the show, shows everything awful Walt does. But the only awful things they show of Gus is the Victor kill and aftermath of child's death which Gus denies but it's not really convincing

Eric Wall
>>142332922

Victor was Mike’s guy and he put him in a barrel of acid and sent him away in a chemical truck. He never even asked why Gus slit his throat. He just did as he was told. Mike’s personal code is admirable, but it’s almost completely subservient to Gus desire (with the possible exception to involving people who aren’t “in the game”) But with Mike willfully covering up the deaths of two children, even that part of the code seems stretched as far as possible. I could make further points to support this, but it would involve events not seen yet. Suffice it to say, there is nothing about killing ten witnesses that is remarkably worse than anything Mike allowed to happen or participated in himself when Gus was the perpetrator. It’s not really a moral stance. He just doesn’t like Walt or rate him as a leader.

Demented Avenger
>>142438924

Kind of ironic you calling out other for being dramatic. When a reaction is that they don't seem to enjoy anything that's happening on screen then it becomes frustrating to watch. Arianna even said she wouldn't be watching this show if it wasn't for the channel because it gives her so much anxiety. I'd rather watch them watch something they enjoy then continue with Breaking Bad as they clearly can't seem to handle it. We get it. Walt's a piece of crap. We don't need reminding every 5 seconds.

Demented Avenger
>>142442491

And the doubling down is even worse. I feel like they're doing it on purpose now just to get a rise out of us.

Smapdi
>>142365476

To expand, instead of "natural" reaction, we'll say "honest." People are getting mad about the ladies' honest reactions. Of course Walt's not a real person, but the fact that they're so worked up shows just how engaged they are in watching the show. People need to stop trying to police how people connect to a piece of media, just because they think someone is enjoying it wrong. Also, real talk: week-over-week the BB reactions get the most views on the Youtube channel, compared to all other shows. By a mile. Even if they weren't already near the end of the show's run, they're not stopping these reactions. Criticism and discourse over the media we care about is a wonderful thing. Saying someone should stop watching a show because they're watching it wrong is neither.

Lorenzo Baxter
>>142332922

Nah I totally disagree. It's not as simple as that. Of course Mike covers up the bodies. What else is he gonna do, quit? Not really a viable option at this point. That doesn't mean the deaths don't effect him. He literally pointed his gun at his employer because he did not expect Gus to just murder Victor like that. Sure cleaning that up became a job, but it bothered him, shown by his blow up in front of Jesse in the car later. And same thing goes with covering up Drew Sharp. He hadn't known what happened until it was too late. And he was pissed the hell off at Todd for taking matters into his own hands, outside of Mike's control.

Andrew
>>142442491

It's quite common for people to double down on something they know is wrong once they have been called out on it. If that really is what they are doing then that's upsetting because to me they've always seemed like smart women who would be able to take constructive criticism in stride. Let's see if they address this in their next reaction, because given the amount of critical comments, I really believe they should.

Eric Wall
>>142332922

Mike pointing his gun at Gus was his gut reaction. That was his internal motivation at seeing his guy being suddenly, brutally murdered. It’s a great way to communicate Mike’s state of mind. But what does Mike actually *do* about it? Nothing. He lowers his gun and does his best to continue on like it never happened. We can tell he thinks it’s wrong, but we can also tell he will do nothing to stop it. And Victor wasn’t even arrested, he was just seen. Why not pay him off too if that’s “what you do”? Because that is not, in fact, what Gus does. That’s Mike’s thing, and Mike’s thing didn’t matter because he was always executing Gus’ wishes. Mike continuing to try to funnel money to his guys was a huge exposure point that allowed Hank to take him down. I do not believe Gus would’ve tolerated the level of exposure Mike was inviting. And if Gus decided to slit the throats of ten more of Mike’s guys, I don’t know why Mike would’ve reacted any differently then when Gus killed the first of his guys.

Lorenzo Baxter
>>142332922

Well he would've reacted differently because Victor wasn't killed simply because he was seen. Victor was killed because Gus needed to make a statement, and someone needed to be punished. Mike couldn't be, Walt and Jesse made it so they couldn't be, but Victor recklessly cooking his own batch, thinking he's calling the shots here? He was the only person in the room Gus could make an example of but also like Walt said, he flew to close to the sun. Took liberties that weren't his to take. We don't get to judge Mike on his actions alone. It's about his internal behaviors and what he thinks and feels. Those things fueled his actions. And Gus wouldn't just chalk 10 people up to being murdered as neccesary unless they had wronged him, but he ran a tight ship and that simply would not have happened.

cheech

Everyone’s entitled to their opinion especially when paying to be here and it’s clear plenty of people disagree but I genuinely don’t understand the “ruining reactions” thing. They’re obviously never going back on Walt (it’s been like this since Jane) so what are they supposed to do? Them rooting for Walt to fail and everything that happens in spite of that IS the reaction. If you don’t enjoy it anymore that’s one thing but yelling at them to watch the show a certain way is silly. And if you’re here for the long haul remember this when voting for new shows in the future. The girls needs someone to root for lol

Smapdi
>>142572652

Not to read too much into it, but I think another factor at play is that, to this day, there are still people who idolize Walter. He embodies a very specific type of power fantasy, and, clearly, the ladies are just NOT impressed by him. I suspect some of the hate to the reactions is fueled by people who weren't prepared for their fictional idol to be met with scorn. And, then there's people trying to dismiss the ladies' reactions by saying Walt is a fictional character, so it's pointless to get so angry at him. If that's true, then why are these same people so upset, when they see this fictional character isn't respected as much as they think he should be. I'll get off my soapbox now.

Andrew
>>142572652

People who idolize Walter absolutely do exist and they are unequivocally wrong in doing so, but I seriously doubt that a lot of them (if any) are subscribed to this Patreon. So I would have to disagree with your theory that it plays a factor in this widespread criticism of the ladies' reactions. The biggest factor I have seen people mention over the past couple of weeks in general and under this post specifically is the fact that their hate for Walt is loud, repetitive and lacking nuance ("Guys, Walt is a serial killer, I watched a Netflix docu about serial killers once, I know what I'm talking about!"). It takes away from OUR enjoyment of their reactions as well as THEIR enjoyment of the show, because it makes them miss a lot of scenes and dialogue. Nobody is saying that they should stop reacting genuinely, but they should take this constructive criticism in stride and try to add more patience and positivity to their commentary instead of just doubling down and being snarky and sarcastic towards us, their audience, who likes their reactions & commentary so much we are paying to watch them.

Andrew
>>142442491

Stewart, as someone has already said in a different comment, we as an audience are allowed to be genuine with our criticism, just as they are allowed to be genuine with their reactions. So all this "stop watching" nonsense is not a solution at all, because the people criticizing them are a majority, in case you haven't noticed.

Smapdi
>>142572652

Granted, I only watch the Youtube versions of BB, but they seem to be enjoying the show just fine. In fact, they seem to LOVE it. They just hate Walter (because he is deserving of hatred). I personally find their reactions to Walt hilarious. I derive plenty of enjoyment from their perspective of the character. Emphasis on "I", not "we". I also try to remember that I'm not a customer. I'm a patron. It's right there in the name of this site. I'm giving money to people who make something I enjoy because I would like them to be able to make more of it. I claim no ownership over it. I understand where you're coming from, but I'd also like to point out that it's a bit of a contradiction to want genuine reactions, while also trying to insist on the tone of those reactions. Neither their dislike of Walt, nor the subjective quality of their reactions, is meant as an insult towards their audience. In my opinion, that kind of thinking is proof-positive that people are taking it personally.

evertt
>>142467948

Walt literally left evidence in his house which his brother-in-law found. He’s obviously very intelligent, but he also did dumb ass moves and if you don’t see this, I can’t help you.

Chris Bruneau

NO reaction channel brings out the salty comments like BB--every single fucking time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anto
>>142352661

That's a ridiculous idea. People's critique 99% of the time are unnecessary, unproductive and actually harmful. Also, this shit is so subjective it's ridiculous to believe a random guy of all people has the right of saying whether a reaction is good or not.

Lomino
>>142442491

Ahh so neo nazis are here So now Walts great person, Are fucking brain dead? Jeues christ the amount of mental gymnastics these pathetic fucks do to make walt aome sympathetic character, Plus Those Nazis are an extension of walt. They're only involved because of him and his dealings with them, So now that walt is making deals with neo nazis that makes him better? You see how retarded your logic is?

cat named toebean
>>142572652

(patron is a simile for customer) good strawmans tho, way to address no arguments of why people are complaining and instead injecting your own subjective thoughts on the matter as the true opinions of others. Read the other comments. It really boils down to just not yelling and letting the show play out, they constantly talk over key scenes and conversations, and then have wrong assumptions. You’re seriously telling me you enjoy when people talk over something you hold close to your heart and are willing to pay extra to see them react to? You genuinely can’t comprehend why people are upset that they seem to be not giving it a fair chance by disregarding plot points and character conversations and callbacks? What’s your favorite movie or show ever? Now imagine someone talking over it and then telling you you’re wrong for liking an aspect of the show because they weren’t paying attention to it? Do you know how you would feel if you didn’t have breakfast this morning?

Eric Wall
>>142572652

*I* rooted against Walt in the final season. The issue is really that the Walt hate is distracting from every other emotion the show is capable of invoking. Now that Hank knows, I’m sort of hoping that they can focus on routing for him and for things going on with other characters instead of hyper focusing on how much Walt sucks. Walt’s the villain now. We know he sucks. That’s not the only thing happening in the show.

james repka

First, since I first watched this episode back in 2012 I thought it should have ended with an audible "PLOP!" as the scene went to black at the end. Second, it doesn't fit the plot, but Jonathan Banks has said on multiple occasions that Mike would never have abandoned Kaylee at the park to escape capture by the police. Finally, Walt's weakness was always his relationship with Jesse. Remember Walt didn't start out plotting to kill Gus and take over his operation. He brought Jesse into the organization (over Gus' objections) after Hank beat him up (yes, that was Walt's fault), mostly to keep him from cooking Meth on his own after Jesse had threatened to use info on Walt as a get-out-of-jail-free card. Later, Walt's relationship with Gus began to fall apart when he killed two dealers (that he knew worked for Gus) to keep them from killing Jesse, then planned to kill Gail (remember he was going to do it himself at first) so that Gus couldn't get rid of him. Of course his relationship with Jesse was manipulative at first and he was clearly willing to commit unconscionable acts to maintain or improve that relationship. It's always been about how that relationship benefits Walt. He is horrible, especially now. Gilligan has famously said on many occasions that the idea behind the show was to turn Mr. Chips into Scarface. Well, Walt is certainly Scarface now, no sign of Mr. Chips anywhere. Nothing left now but to watch his downfall, and who (if anyone) he takes down with him. Vince is a believer in Karmic justice and that justice, you've got to expect, will be deserved in the end.

briandamage91
>>142572652

Its just that scenes with Walt are important, it is easier to understand why he is acting in a certain way if you listen and not just complain about him all the time. It's easy to watch the show and just saying Walt is evil serial killer, and not even trying to understand why he does those things. I love their reaction in stranger thing, but in BB it starts to get annoying.

Eric Wall
>>142332922

Gus was largely calculating and unemotional. Victor did nothing wrong besides be seen. Why would Gus kill him for trying to cook? He’s obviously just trying to solve Gus’ problem. It’s illogical to kill him when he would simply stop if you told him to. There’s no logical reason to kill Victor other than eliminating a potential police lead. Walt killing those witnesses makes *more* sense than Gus killing Victor just to make a point. And why would Mike be okay with murdering his guy just to make a point about who is in charge? That certainly isn’t Mike’s leadership style. The larger point still stands that Mike’s personal moral convictions were completely immaterial because he would never act against Gus’ wishes. Knowing how Mike would react to these situations if he were personally in charge is how we know he’s made his conscience subservient to the will of others. That’s the tragedy of Mike. “You gangsters and your justice. You’re all the same.” Mike could be different. But he’s not really. Not in action.

Lorenzo Baxter
>>142332922

That's not true. You must not have watched what I did. Mike isn't some dog. He stands his ground.

John Cedar
>>142467948

Bro he literally tried to just walk up to Gus Fring's house with just a handgun and nothing else as if that would ever work 😂 Walter has done so many idiotic things, and he has been saved by the grace of others or just dumb luck several times.

Stewart MacInnes
>>142572652

"You’re seriously telling me you enjoy when people talk over something you hold close to your heart and are willing to pay extra to see them react to?" - In this case I do yeah. Breaking Bad is my favorite show ever and Walt is my favorite character ever. I like how worked up they get about Walt's dickishness, I think it's hilarious.

Stewart MacInnes
>>142440933

I think polite criticism is fine, but some of the comments on these episodes are weirdly rude and aggressive. And the difference is Arianna and Maple are actual human beings whereas the person they are aggressively criticising is a fictional character.

Christophe
>>142467948

His ego gets in the way of his intelligence a lot. If he has to consider situations where he doesn't need to let go of his ego or particularly if he can come out as the most smartest, most coolest guy ever, then yeah, he can be fiendishly clever. But anytime anything gets in the way of his pride and the clever move would be to concede some ground, he tends to run straight into a brick wall.

Forrest

I just don't get how you look at Walt and see a manic serial killer. I definitely agree that Walt is not a business man. Walt is a force of nature. He is chaos incarnate. He's the perfect culmination of fantastic luck mixed with brilliant planning and manipulation. I'm not sure what Walt has to do to "earn it." The meth business isn't like traditional jobs with a standard career path. Maybe just killing Jesse James isn't enough, but I think killing him, taking over his crew and overseas deals, and profiting $100 million dollars makes you Jesse James haha. I feel like you guys hit the nail on the head with a lot of your observations. Walt is manipulative. Walt is smarmy. He's the worst kind of pedantic nerd who is angry and bitter about "his" "stolen" research, and he feels like he taking back something that was owed to him by the world or something. He gets off on power. He is a narcissistic, abusive, liar who is, above all, a masterful manipulator with everyone except his wife who is extremely sharp. But not every kind of evil looks the same. I feel like "serial killer" evokes Dahmer, Gacy and Bundy. I think those guys killed mostly "for fun." They liked killing people or "needed to" or something. They didn't have to hide behind rationalizations. They just did it, and enjoyed every second of it. Obviously, Walt isn't like that. When Walt kills people, it's incidental. It's a part of doing business. It "had to happen." It's not something he actively enjoys doing. What he enjoys is sitting at home, setting his watch, and letting the plan play itself out. He enjoys that he can touch someone's life from the his living room. He feels like the President killing Bin Laden. He feels powerful. And Walt thinks that it's fine because they were in the game, and who cares about some drug dealers when he "had to" kill, dismember, and melt a child last week. "Person who kills others regularly" isn't usually what we mean when we say "serial killer." Was Pablo Escobar a serial killer? Or a President who orders a missile strike? Or Hitler? They are mass murders, sure, but it's pretty clearly a different, more-sterile kind of evil than killing someone and eating them for fun. That's a super common theme in a lot of the Golden Age of TV shows. Evil doesn't have to be some weirdo sitting in his basement who is constantly thinking about killing people. Evil exists in mundane places. Even Mr. Roger's can become Scarface in the right circumstances if he is primed with a weird, but totally typical, kind of toxic masculinity and makes a bunch of bad choices in a row. I'll give you the midlife crisis thing🤣🤣, but manic and deranged are other weird words to describe Walt. Don't get me wrong, Walt has his moments, thinking about Crawl Space here, but overall, Walt is very calculating. He makes poor choices that have led to his wife rightly wanting nothing to do with him, but they are decisions. He is in his right mind and could explain his decision making if you asked him. Vince Gilligan has said that the writers disagree about why Walt didn't think about the book before it was too late. Personally, I agree with the theory that, like the audience, Walt just didn't realize that the book was inscribed. Importantly, it wasn't some poor decision that led to Walt's demise, it's his missing some tiny detail that if his brother-in-law wasn't a DEA agent in charge of the case against him, wouldn't have mattered. Heisenberg won the game of setting up a sustainable operation by harnessing the chaos and luck and coming out on top. Then Walt comes in to screw it up with the same luck that landed him in his perceived "dead-end life" to begin with. Heisenberg just isn't meant to get away with it. And that means that Walt has to screw it up. That's just how it goes in the BrBa universe. Dual, conflicting fates and the luck (and predictable consequences!) that comes with embodying your "true self" are really prominent themes in the BrBa universe. Great reaction! And I am happy to get to experience this show with y'all! <3

cat named toebean
>>142442491

Little bro needs to go back to school to learn reading comprehension, it’s okay bro, it’s not too late to learn!