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Vinland Saga 2x18 Reaction Extended (YT link below) (Patreon)

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2023-08-10 16:00:08
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2023-09-07 17:44:20
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In Vinland Saga 2x18, The First Method, Ketil STRIKES out when he learns Arnheid's lap isn't readily available for crying.

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Sacha

Yukimura Twitter thread for 2x18 “Good morning. Thank you for watching Vinland Saga Episode 18 ‘The First Method’! Wow… ugh, no violence … You can not say! No, I don’t draw Ketil’s violence because I like it. It’s seems okay if it’s a fight between warriors, and you can draw them fighting each other … but that’s no good. The forceful blows of men inflicted on woman and children, that is still violence. Thank you for doing it without holding back, director. (Seriously! While I can barely stomach this scene I’m glad the anime did not hold back on how f*cked this situation is) Violence is ugly. The figure of hitting someone weaker than themselves is the worst. People who use violence generally make up the rationale in their minds that they have the right and duty to use violence, but slaves don’t even need that. There must have been various ways for Ketil to deal with this, but all that pent-up energy was headed for the weak slaves. Terrible. Snake’s hand gripping the stick loosened a little at “if you don’t mind the death penalty, I’ll let go.” The acting is so detailed. It’s difficult to express such subtle movements in manga. I’ve been thinking about violence, and I’ve drawn many pictures of war and battles between warriors. But it doesn’t feel right. When Askeladd kills an innocent village, or when Ketil beats up his slave Arnheid, I think, “Oh this is what violence is.” Harming the weak is violence. And I think the real problem is that we may actually like violence. Violence is always lurking in the depths of the individual mind, or in the collective consciousness of all humanity, waiting to be released. Waiting for a just cause to shake my head and rampage. That’s how it felt. You have to put up a sign that says “Don’t feed violence.” I will answer the question, “Why didn’t you depict the touching reunion moment of Leif and Thorfinn?” Well, I wanted to draw that too. But, just before that, an awful incident, the abuse of Arnheid, happened, and the two were no longer happy to see each other again. Inevitability, the order in which the events occurs ends up being this way. Abuse incident before reunion. I couldn’t draw the scene of Thorfinn and Leif happily embracing each other beside Arnheid, who is in a terrible state.” (To be honest I’m happy Yukimura decided to stick to this. While it could be seen a jarring, what would that reunion have looked like anyway? The number one priority in both their minds is now Arnheid. Thorfinn is worried about his friends and Leif has just witnessed this terrible event to a defenceless slave and now knows there’s a connection between her and Thorfinn. Their moment can wait. Too many times, anime in particular, don’t take womens’ suffering and their horrific reality seriously and objectify it instead)

Bighead
>>114924031

It's true what Yukimura said about the violence depicted against Arnheid and the village pillaging scene by Askeladd's men in season 1 somehow being so unbearably grotesque and disgusting more so than the bloody gore of fights among the Vikings. Also its curious how while Ketil is relatively a better person than most of the Vikings, the absolute hatred or rather disgust you feel for his character this episode is the culmination of great character writing.

Jasper Wilson

Your surpise at Snake stabbing Gardar made me realize this season is a series of over-corrections. Snake's coolness and mercy when dealing with Gardar leads to five of his men getting killed, so when he meets him again he acts rashly. Sverkel regrets being careful about Ketil's love and encourages Arnheid to be reckless. You could frame Ketil, Gardar, and Einar's mistakes similarly. Canute has gone from being a coward to being a tyrant. Thorfinn's vow of absolute non-violence falls into this category as well, but unlike other characters he has more time to calibrate and is coming closest to the truth.

Cheesebit

When you mention in that last speech about heroism, this example came to mind. Let's say you hear a friend is being physically abused by someone. I'm sure it'd make you upset, angry, and frustrated. It might be easy to want to say let me go off on them! And berate them or fight them. But what would that actually do for your friend? Often times, just doing that wouldn't stop the abuser. And often times, it would just make the abuser more angry at their victim, and hit them more. Like why did you tell people? I will punish you more for telling. In those situations, if you can't actively help get your friend out of the situation right this second, to rush in on impulse and get angry at their abuser will often make things worse. (Its even harder if the person you want to help is a minor, because then youd have to get CPS involved and how often does CPS actually help get them out of a bad situation right away? Ive heard too many stories of ppl feeling failed by the system). So while you mean well by trying to help your friend, to simply go in without a proper, thought out plan to get your friend out is a selfish form of heroism. And like you said about how most likely the majority of of heroism we see irl, it is probably hard for us to distinguish between "true" heroism and the kind that is self motivated. In our current world where more parts of the world than previously in history, we have much more peace, the idea that it is easy to think 'I could NEVER hurt or kill someone' and yet, how often is it just because we live in a time of relative peace? If placed into a situation like ketil, we'd like to think we wouldn't act like him, but how many of us would actually respond similarly? Also think of those characters in zombie shows that get bit and don't tell others. We often as the viewer get angry at them, even hate them, but how many of us would selflessly reveal our bite? Many of us are afraid, especially afraid of death. So even if we'd like to think we'd do the right thing, it's difficult. And that's probably why we really commend true courage when we see it. Because deep inside, we probably know that if we were in the same situation, we might not be able to do the same. It's a potential ugly truth about ourselves that many of us probably don't want to confirm is true or not This makes me think of Olmar as well, he wants to think he'd be brave in battle, and thinks it cool even. But after killing someone, he realizes just how scared he is of violence and death.

Sh3nx

when I read this in the manga I was shocked, also the manga has such an insane level of detail, although the anime did it justice, it was extremely graphic on the manga, disturbing scene when i read it years ago.

Chris Sharpe
>>114926387

I guess you could include Thorfinn in that as well. While his I feel is more balanced, this kind of going-back-hard-the-other-direction behavior can simply come from revulsion, or just an in depth understanding of the side they were originally on. I think the difference is that with Snake or Canute or Ketil, they were vulnerable or weak for smaller amounts of time, and they are going the other direction out of fear because they don’t want to feel that way again. With Thorfinn, it is more complicated. Obviously we want to be right about everything and feel that we are living balanced lives because we don’t like the idea of contributing to the bad in the world and it’s painful to realize that you might have been contributing for a while with some action. I think that was what Thorfinn thought on steroids, so this is a legitimate attempt to balance out the ignorant violence he committed for years. With the others, they are just overcompensating because they don’t want to feel in danger again.

Chris Sharpe

Ketil always kinda reminded me of the king from Berserk for those who read Berserk. While the king was a bit more of a shallow case of “seemingly upstanding guy is twisted as hell”, Ketil feels more human. The fact that Ketil feels more human makes his actions feel even more disgusting, despite objectively worse actions by the king.

Musicisum

What happened to Arnheid is tragic and brutal and all, but I'm sorry, I just keep circling back to "there's bigger fish to dry" so thank you for that.

Seth
>>114947126

I wish he’d react to Berserk, imagine his reaction to the Eclipse 🤯 It’s only 25 episodes too

Vali Sippola

This episode is rough. Ketils actions have very much been set up and foreshadowed, but it still feels visceral and disturbing. Also really loved your discussion on heroism and people’s fantasies, and how you haven’t seen many stories tackle negative or misguided heroism. Makes me very excited to see a show like Re: Zero win a poll someday. Really looking forward to this last stretch of episodes. It’s really something special to see all the plotlines and characters come together to create an explosion of ideals, history, trauma, etc.

Cameron
>>114926387

Great point. I think Gardar's over-correctiveness would mirror Thorfinn's the most because in their minds (while Thorfinn's was more directly), they brought about pain and suffering to other people they care about. So that over-correctiveness in Gardar's case masks itself in the form of being Arnheid's hero, but as goodwin points out its a pretty clear cry for help to save himself from his own despair through the corrective action of restoring the life he had with Arnheid. And poor Arnheid seems to be the pinnacle victim of a lot of these characters attempts to "correct" themselves. Even Einar's desperation to see Arnheid safe probably goes beyond just him being in love, as he's witnessed all the strong female figures in his life be disposed of mercilessly, the desire to see Arnheid safe is likely an unconscious manifestation of that fear or inner trauma. Everyone is so messed up psychologically I absolutely love it as the audience💀

Emman Reed

yeah these predictions.. Im enjoying the commentary either way. Can't wait to see the climax and ending to all this. Really enjoying the reactions!

bl0odm1st

I watched a tik tok today and found out Snake and All Might have the same English voice actor. It sounded so weird 😭

Khalid

reminder to watch this video before next ep https://youtube.com/watch?v=GUlTTqc4peM&feature=sharec

Musicisum
>>115078519

Chris Sabat is Snake? Wild, I never would have thought of that casting.

agoodwintv
>>114924031

To his point, I was so wrapped up in the scene that it didn't even occur to me until just now that THAT was their reunion.

agoodwintv
>>114939612

"In our current world where more parts of the world than previously in history, we have much more peace, the idea that it is easy to think 'I could NEVER hurt or kill someone' and yet, how often is it just because we live in a time of relative peace? If placed into a situation like ketil, we'd like to think we wouldn't act like him, but how many of us would actually respond similarly? " Nicely put. I also think that the more one believes themselves incapable of a certain evil, the more likely they are to fall victim to it eventually (if the right circumstances arise). Often it's a danger that arises from what is otherwise a great thing, relative peace.

Cheesebit
>>114939612

I agree, it almost seems that they believe they arent capable more strongly in order to compensate for what they know in their subconscious is actually true about themselves