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The Expanse 3x11 (Patreon)

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2023-12-18 02:14:23
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2023-12
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Ashford has stolen my heart.

I would do anything for a Drummer x Ashford spinoff!

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The Expanse 3x11

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Tanner Hatch

Fucking love Drummer and Ashford, my two favorite characters.

Tony Camas
>>124780145

You've said this before, Deana, and I've always kind of wondered why. It's not a common view, I'm sure you know, but you're clearly a "true fan" and I've always respected your opinion. Just wondering if you could expand (no pun intended) a little on your dislike of Ashford (TV Ashford, I mean -- nobody likes book Ashford LOL). Does he just generally rub you the wrong way, or are there particular things about him you could point to that you find irritating? You don't have to go into it if you'd rather not; I'm just curious.

Tony Camas

Based on the number of furry family members that have reacted to this show along with their human parents, I'm beginning to think there might be a market for Expanse-themed toys and treats for Dogs & Cats. Just think, there could be, like, stuffed squeaky Rocinantes, or protomolecule-blue laser pointers that your cat could chase. Or lasagna! Though maybe that should be for the humans. I'm tellin' ya, it could be a gold mine. I have to figure out who to talk to about this. Hope you had a nice birthday, Meg! Great job and interesting commentary, as usual.

Deana DeWall
>>124780145

The main thing for me is that he tries to do the exact thing that the book version does. I can't "expand" on this until Meg watches the season finale. I love Strathairn, but I've got so many pet peeves about his portrayal and acting in the show...like his accent (f**king drives me nuts lol), condescending treatment of Drummer, and many other things, but it's the "main thing" that really bothers me. As I've said a million times before, I love the show and treat it as an alternant version of the books, which I'm constantly re-reading and prefer. But perhaps it does color my opinion sometimes lol.

Deana DeWall

All I can say about this episode, is that every time I hear that loud crack that is Drummer trying to sacrifice herself again, makes my upper body just tense up and freeze.

Frankie H

So just a recap on the Nauvoo now called the Behemoth. It was designed for a century journey to another star system so they designed it to have a spinning cylinder or "drum" so the Mormon colonists could live in an environment with spin gravity on their 100 year trip. It was supposed to have soil in it so they could farm and grow their own food for the trip.

DrEEsky

There are actually 3 more seasons!! (a total of 26 more episodes after S3) Can't wait for them all!!

Tony Camas
>>124780145

Fair enough. I guess, maybe because I read the books once but have watched the show over and over, my feelings about characters in the books don't have much of an effect on my feelings about their TV analogues. Honestly, I think I consider the TV version of Ashford to be a completely different character than the one in the books, whom I barely remember, actually. And, I mean, TV Ashford pretty much IS a completely different animal. But yes, he does do that thing that we don't want to talk about yet. Maybe we'll revisit this discussion when he does. I am going to actually agree with you in a surprising place, though. I was not a big fan of David Strathairn's Belter accent at the outset, and I say this as somebody who practically worships the guy. He's been a favorite actor of mine for probably 20 or more years; I think he's one of the best character actors working today. But yeah, I was disappointed at his first appearance. His very first line, where he requests permission to come aboard, sounded like he was trying to do some sort of brogue, or a bad impression of Scotty from Star Trek. I was a bit worried at first. But I think his accent evolved over time and didn't bother me after a short while. Also, I tend to give people a pass on these accent things; even an actor with with the pedigree of Mr. Strathairn knows a lot less about the Belter accent (upon first joining the cast) than you or I or the average fan. So I'm willing to let it go as long as it gets better, and I feel like it did, by quite a bit. And honestly, on the whole, there are so many things in this show that could go wrong vis-a-vis the world building that I marvel at how rarely such things actually happen. Oh, well. There are plenty of characters to love in this story, no matter what medium you favor. So if you're not a big Ashford fan, well, then there's just more of him for the rest of us. LOL Thanks for answering my question. I think I understand a bit better now.

Tony Camas
>>124780145

Oh, I meant to comment on Ashford's treatment of Drummer at the outset. At first, that bothered me a bit as well, but I think it was supposed to. I think we were all meant to wonder, is this guy an asshole? Does he have some sort of misogynistic streak that's going to piss me off? But I think my feeling after seeing the character for a while is that he's just stubborn, and maybe a little full of himself. He's nowhere near the narcissist that several other characters in this show are (some whom we've met, some whom we haven't yet), but he's definitely flawed. But I don't believe his condescension to Drummer is irredeemable; and you know as well as I do that it gets better. A personal story that may illustrate my thinking, I dunno: Many years ago, I was hired as a consultant for a company that put me on a technical project with a guy who was a about my age, maybe even a tad younger, but who had a lot more formal education than I had. I, on the other hand, had a whole lot more practical experience than he did, and the result was that we clashed quite a bit, at first. He was extraordinarily condescending to me, questioned every decision I made and every opinion I volunteered, and it pissed me off mightily. And then one day, it came to a head. During a particular discussion our team was having on how to go about a certain project we were working on, he derisively pooh-poohed my proposed approach and berated me in front of the whole team, declaring that clearly my idea was wrong because, essentially, it wasn't the way he had been taught to do things. Classic book learning vs. street learning moment, right? So I pushed back hard and might have deployed a few colorful adjectives in the process of explaining that (a) I wasn't stupid, and (b) here is exactly why your way won't work and mine will, and ... he looked shocked for minute, and then thought for a minute more, and then apologized. And we did it my way. I wouldn't go so far as to say we became fast friends, but we developed a healthy, if grudging, respect for each other from that point forward, and we worked together quite a bit. Some years later, he started a company and hired me to be one of his top managers. We basically figured out how to work together despite the differences in our backgrounds, and we were both better for it. So.... when I see Ashford & Drummer, and the way he initially dismisses her, but learns to respect her in time... it reminds me a great deal of that guy I worked with -- and for -- all those years ago. My first impression of him was no better than his first impression of me, but we figured it out. I think Ashford & Drummer do that as well -- this episode is the beginning of that process -- and I think it's pretty cool. OK. Enough of that. I really need to learn brevity.

Cation

Loved this episode regarding the character development and especially the scenes around Ashford and Drummer. "Individuals can be divided and conquered, but symbols, symbols endure forever." - Klaes Ashford, The Ghost Knife of Calisto