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[Hereafter] Chapter LXXXVI: Mysterious Ghost Ship (Patreon)

Published:
2023-01-23 11:00:11
Imported:
2023-10

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I'm a little uncertain about this. There are things I want to do with the character introduced this chapter, but the way he's introduced is a bit more heavy handed than I'd like it to be.

This isn't, incidentally, the only OC Servant that will be in Okeanos, but while they will exist, none of them is going to play anywhere near as big a role as Aife wound up playing in Septem. Two of them, in fact, are here for...well, that would be telling. 

I figured it would be better to have actual characters be part of the "pirates called to this Singularity" instead of just having them be "nameless, faceless concepts of pirates."

EDIT: Moving down.

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Gifted-Monster

Well, the character you introduced and their identity is a bit... transparent.

Gifted-Monster

But in all seriousness, as to Rika's point...wouldn't the fact more people have seen Davy Jones AS the hentai protag with all the tentacles than ever truly believed in him be liable to influence the Throne and his summoning? I mean, millions if not a sum total of billions have seen the Pirates series accounting for repeat viewings. And we know that modern, fictional heroes can exist just like Sasaki Kojiro who is theorized to have never existed.

SilverShadows
>>100212738

From what I understand the key issue is the lack of Mystery in the world by the time the pirates movies came out. It's arguable if the combined audience of the Pirates movies would outstrip the combined total number of people who have ever believed in Davy Jones throughout the entire history of his legend... But the key would be the audience for pirates would generally not believe Davy Jones is a real thing at all, and definitely wouldn't believe they were actually a squid man if they did exist. And the lack of general Mystery in the world keeps that belief from having enough weight to really have any effect on "The Legend of Davy Jones" recorded in the throne even if they did. Sasaki is an weird case in that canonically, he doesn't exist in the Fate universe. The servant we recognize as Sasaki Kojiro is literally just an unrelated wraith/ghost who was "close enough" in skill that the legend could be layered over him to get something approximating a Heroic Spirit Sasaki Kojiro. Dracul is so heavily affected because "Bram Stoker's Dracula" is not only VASTLY more famous than the original count outside of Romania, but he was already vastly more famous in a time when there was enough Mystery in the world to still form a Heroic Spirit.

TimeDiver
>>100212738

Just a brief segue here... but even if Heroic Spirits (barring the likes of Voyager and/or Neil Armstrong) find it far MORE difficult to 'establish' their own legends in the modern era, what's stopping a Phantom Spirit of Davy Jones from forming, then someone such as (or other than) Baal experimenting with fusing multiple Phantom Spirits together, else 'tying'/'linking' Davy Jones with another, already established Heroic Spirit, which could justify a different take in this story, for Edward Teach and/or Bartolomew Roberts?

James_D_Fawkes
>>100212738

In all honest, it depends entirely on the character designer and Nasu. If they decide, yeah, this was a Heroic Spirit, then it doesn't matter what the origin is IRL, they can just say that so-and-so actually existed and the stories were based upon their real lives. The Headless Horseman is a good example. Nasu could very easily have made him a real Heroic Spirit, but arbitrarily, he decided that the Hessian didn't have enough substance to be a Heroic Spirit, so the only way he could become a Servant was by mishmashing his existence with another Phantom. HSs are built on belief. To some extent, popular perception has a massive impact on them. However, no one watching PotC believed that Davy Jones was actually a squidman with tentacles for a beard. The knowledge that what they're watching is completely fictitious prevents some of those changes from influencing a theoretical Heroic Spirit Davy Jones.