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.Game. .Of. .Thrones. 7x6 (Patreon)

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David J

YALL NEED TO WATCH “THE PENGUIN” NEXT

Shadow

What an episode… at least Jon and Dany look cool and get a moment

Amna 🍉

OOP WE EATING TONIGHT

Kaylee S

immediately stopped working out to click on this btw

Joe Mama

😬

Lydia

oh my gosh im not ready

Adrian Stark

Can't wait to hear them w takes

Carryyy

ive been waiting for this i cant WAIT to see the discussion

Melizé

Yesss

Q So Raww

It’s lit

GrimmHxH

oh man the discussion is gonna be wild i cant wait

Yugi Umuto

Compared to the series from the last few years, Got season 7 is a solid 8.5/10

Mitch

The night king could’ve easily just thru the spear at drogon which was standing COMPLETELY STILL but nah let’s throw it at the moving target for added drama and becasue im a supervillain that wants to let all the heroes get away for fun. Also why didn’t Jon just get on Drogon right away, I guess he needed some quick exp points to level up first. The Uncle Benjen Deus Ex Machina is hilarious. “We have no time” literally his entire character summed up in one sentence😭😭😭. Gendry running faster than the flash, ravens reaching dragon stone and Danys dragons flying 2000 miles all in the matter of a day is something… at least we got all the badass characters in a badass fight scene 🔥🔥🔥 Didn’t have huge problems with s7 b4 this one but I really don’t think u can defend it. Sorry for the rant excited to hear yall thoughts tho ik this discussion gonna be juicy!

Shadow

Idk how Gendry makes it all the way back, Dany somehow gets message that fast and finds them, and non swimming wights use giant mystery chains to somehow get a dragon from a bottom of a lake, and there’s another HUGE complaint I can’t even get into yet

GreetswithJudgement

I’ll watch this then Penguin. Then I’ll go on a Colin Farrell binge because that dude has my heart!

Bri-Ana Monique

I didn’t know how badly I needed to see you guys dressed up as GOT characters for Halloween until now 🎃😂‼️

Lexi Mae

the loss of book dany never fails to hurt lol

Daenerys Targaryen

Brig - what Daenerys meant by "he's too little for me" was the writers-Dan & David-writing specifically for Kit Harington (who plays Jon Snow) b/c they make fun of him for his height in real life, so they wrote that stupid line in. They were literally writing for the actors on certain scenes in seasons 7 and 8. Makes me sick! lol

Reeker

Been waiting for this one

Sean Carroll

Oh boy have to get my fingers ready to tear this episode to pieces. Worst ep of the season and bottom 5 eps in the show

creeper doodle

D&D hate Dany so much, and the way they chose to write her character, especially in these later seasons, really make that apparent. The changes from book Dany begin in season 1, but become really apparent in season 2. It's such a shame that so many people have the wrong impression of her, and go into the books with show bias. It isn't just her they've changed, they've changed pretty much everyone tbh, but they really hate her so much and did everything they could to justify it by completely changing the character.

Shadow

One thing GOT never fails at is doing my boy Viserion dirty😔 well everything with Dany does tho

Lexi Mae
>>149950866

it really is such a shame 🥲🥲i’m always like “yall don’t know her like I do” 😫😫 LMAO

ssj4rit

Maybe I’m tripping but the Night King throwing that spear reminds me of the Dark Souls 1 intro https://youtu.be/Yx05_SV7sZs?feature=shared

Icchi

Let Arya COOK! 🔥

creeper doodle
>>149950866

Same! I admit that I am also bias, she's my favorite fictional character of all time, so I have some feelings about it for sure, but like. It's such a shame that D&D left so many people who are getting into the world of asoiaf because of the show with such a heavy anti-dany mindset.

ssj4rit

Uncle Benjen joined the party Uncle Benjen left the party

McKay Carter

This episode pissed me off

McKay Carter

Still love GOT tho

Shadow

In the books boros lights his sword of fire with blood from his hand when he does that. The show is just “magic” no explanation. Jon in the books may be able to do this after his resurrection which I think would be so dopeee

Shadow
>>149950866

It really is a completely different understanding. Show onlys have no idea😔 She should be an undeniable goat

Mike Lew

Them calling every scene just tells you all you need to know about the writing

creeper doodle
>>149950866

I knew going into this the Geks wouldn't like her much, especially in these later seasons. Emilia is perfect for Dany, but D&D really did her and the character an injustice in writing her to be like this. I hope the Geks, and anyone else who hasn't, read the books and try to leave their showbias out of it. She's an incredible character.

Nonos

What is bro smiling for lmaoo. I’m crying at Carter 11:25. Seemed like he probably was trying to laugh off how dumb that whole scene was😭🙏🏽

Shadow
>>149950866

Yea I feel so bad for her. She would have absolutely killed acting for a real Dany. She’s so good. But I definitely second what you’re saying. I hope they go seek out the real Dany

ssj4rit

It kinda sucks for Sansa, she reunites with her family and they’re all weirdos.

Daenerys Targaryen
>>149951826

This whole "beyond the wall" mission is the stupidest thing...from the concept of the plan, to the Night King throwing a javalin to kill a dragon, to the Night King not ensuring Jon would not get out of the water or kill him when he did, to them pulling the dragon out of the water....I just can't 😭 Not even gonna talk about the Sansa/Arya plot-line...

creeper doodle
>>149950866

She begged them to let her be more like Dany in the books. She begged them to let her laugh and show any warmth. They absolutely HATE Dany, and even Emilia begging them to even kind of keep her character similar to her book counterpart was denied. They're such shams.

creeper doodle
>>149949692

Dany somehow flying from Dragonstone allllll the way past the wall (despite dragons not doing that??) and locating Jon's group in what seems to be a few hours is CRAZY. This whole episode is completely devoid of logic, and THIS is what people are complaining about when we complain about teleporting.

TheSauceGuy

Arya has now become insufferable.

Ryan Ry

Very convenient for the Geks to be 10/10 on their "predictions". Aint that right Lord of the sus Brig. Even his "omg what if he xxxs a dragon" sounded real. Its ok, its almost over you won't have to pretend much longer.

Daenerys Targaryen
>>149950866

You get it! Out of ALL the characters a show could've fucked up, it's SO SAD they chose Daenerys Targaryen to do dirty like this. Breaks my heart.

Amna 🍉

I'm glad we're all on the same page about how forced the beef is between Sansa and Arya. Book Arya would NEVER blame Sansa for their father's death, same with Sansa regarding Arya. The way D&D ruined all the female characters on this show.....IS ON SIGHT WITH THEM

Bellaa

ugh i love the group that goes past the wall…thats about it from here on out lmao. this is where i no longer understood the point of so many things. im not ready to go through season 8 again😭

Shadow
>>149949692

No way D&d read fire and blood😂 they probably didn’t even know a dragon had been to the wall before lmao. And the teleporting is probably the worst in this episode than any other. So unbelievable

Shadow
>>149950866

Literally took the most important character and stripped or diluted her of all the themes Grrm wanted to show

Bellaa
>>149950866

i want them to react to a compliation of all the actors commenting and reacting to their characters in season 8. now that goes to show how much the actors cared about this show and had no part in the D&D disaster

Kaylee S

I think my biggest question here is why the dragons even went across the wall in the first place. Balerion the Black Dread, the last dragon of Valyria, refused to cross it. The dragons knew better.

Shadow

Definitely one of Danys best outfits. She been cookingggg since getting to Westeros

Euphemia Isobel
>>149950649

Goes beyond that, they belittle him because Dave has a weird jealousy of him. Hence the multiple small penis jokes, height jokes, joking about his alcoholism when he had to go to rehab etc.

Samuel

RIP Viserion 😥 Jon pissed me off in that part

Thicc Thanos

It’s time for peak Thrones. The best episodes of the show starts now.

Bellamy Blake

Really bothers me that they tried to suddenly make Gendry an idiot for jokes. He was one of the only ppl who figured out Arya is a girl, other than Tywin.

TheSauceGuy

Not a main character = die. Also, they all just watched the bear maul Thoros for like 20 seconds lmao.

JaJa

I feel like this is the most McKay has ever spoken lol. Glad to hear his voice 😚

Tieland
>>149950866

Hello, book reader here!! 👋🏾 I actually like the difference between her in the books and her in the show. I get where D&D were going in the show and it didn't bother me at all. I also get the passionate book readers that get upset when a show isn't done like it is written, but I also feel like passionate book readers shouldn't get so upset. They just shouldn't watch the show. 🤣 I didn't take it as they hated her. I took it as them going another way that I really can't comment on at this time because I don't want to put up any spoilers. 😊

Amna 🍉

so remember when Cregan told Jaecerys how even Dragons won't cross the wall....yeah D&D forgot about that and remember when we were told that white walkers can't even cross the wall....YEAH D&D FORGOT ABOUT THAT TOO. Like they actually have time to plan this out properly and instead they charge in with a thiny small group of people.

Blackeyedlily

Whinging is a British slang word for complaining.

Seth Aasland

i feel like the opposite of world building happens in this season, especially in this episode. Gendry making it all the way back to Eastwatch, the raven traveling to Dragonstone, and Dany rolling up with her dragons in such a short span of time undermines a critical element of the importance of distance in this world. it takes time for armies to mobilize. it takes time for word to spread. it takes time to travel from one kingdom to the next. another element that made this show good and well thought out lost for convenience. i will admit that upon first watch, i wasn’t as critical of it because i too was hyped up by the dragons showing up. but upon revisiting it, it feels sour now, especially because of Viserion 😭 truly not worth it

danidelight

Brig: Why couldn't both be on the horse? Because the plot demands so!

Daenerys Targaryen
>>149952951

It's being in Dragonstone! I can feel my Targaryen ancestors channeling the proper dragon drip for me to wear...

Teri M

Lmfao Carter doesn't even want to be here any more.

Shadow
>>149950866

They strip so much from her. It’s like not even same character. They purposely cut stuff to frame her in a certain light. D&d fumbled so hard when it came to her. There’s a reason why Dany is probs the most misunderstood character in the fandom. Show and book are so different and not in a good way. It’s almost jarring seeing how much better her character is when reading the books for the first time. Book version is a top character for me in anything but I force myself to like show Dany at times

Tieland

I wonder why so many people who hated the last 3 or 4 seasons keep WATCHING the reactions of others, just to tell them how much they hated the last couple of seasons??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤔🤔🤔 Just make it a distant memory, reread the books, and let it go!! 🤣🤣🤣

Icchi

The commentary from the Dream Team will never not get me hyped. Just GOATs choppin it up, at the edge of the world.

Harper

You guys need to react to stranger things

danidelight

As cringe as it was for Jon to call her "Dany" at that moment, when I watched this for the first time my heart exploded 🥰🫣 Also Carter's face at "Muh Queen" 😂

Icchi
>>149953567

Yeah definitely the weirdest thing I’ve seen in a minute 💀 people got time I guess

Shadow
>>149952951

Dragonstone must have had some closets that never got raided😂 stuff looks like something Rhaenrya woulda worn during peak targ time. Stannis shoulda snagged some

darist

Dying inside everytime I need to see an Arya & Sansa scene

Shadow

The Good Queen Alysanne(one of my goats) tried to fly her dragon Silverwing(the one Ulf claimed) over the wall thrice but each time the dragon turned around and refused

Shadow

Book Daenerys capitalizes on all that cool and meaningful stuff you guys were talking about for her character in the outro. No lie. Y’all would love her

creeper doodle
>>149950866

She has moments where it feels like real Daenerys. They really just dislike the character, and because of how they wrote her and framed her, so many people also misunderstand her and her arc. Many arcs are ruined by D&D and their lack of media literacy (Arya, Jorah, Tyrone, ect), and it makes the story feel so hollow in the end. People are allowed to be upset and disappointed, and people are allowed to criticize it. If people continue to defend slop like this, we end up with... more slop like this. But yes, Dany is the most misunderstood character because she is so different from her book counterpart. It's disappointing. But I'm happy that there are at least a few people who understand how characterization and story arcs matter in this comment section. Too many people have their show bias and it shows.

TheSauceGuy

I don't know what about Daenerys or her dragons would allow them to fly past the wall willingly. Maybe it was just a one-time occurrence, but Silverwing refused to cross the wall with her rider before the events of HotD. Now, with the dead as a much more imminent threat, I'd imagine this fear would be worse among the dragons. This is forgivable though as magic is unpredictable in this universe, but the fact that she even made it down there is ridiculous lol.

creeper doodle
>>149954092

God, hearing Carter say that he dislikes how 'George wrote her' is so hard. Carter! This is not George's Dany! I hope he reads the books someday.

Philbo

All i know is the outro discussions for Season 8 are about to be so interesting lol i actually cant wait

Kid Trunks

Is the Audio weird ?

Kare
>>149951312

I loved Arya but they completely butchered her character there’s no cooking to be done unfortunately

creeper doodle
>>149949692

They are the ones that really drove the 'Targaryens are mad' business into the minds of all these people who only watch the show, now that you mention it.

Lydia

Jon pmo this episode smh like bro get in the damn car Edit: hes still my king tho <3

Shadow
>>149949692

Absolutely!!!! It’s D&Ds fault we see the “every time a targ is born the gods flip a coin” bullshit everywhere😂😂

Amna 🍉

how does Arya still have the faces....like the whole point of her leaving was for her to come back as Arya Stark.

Clegane (GOT Season 1-8 enjoyer)

Beyond the wall mission coulda been fire, just needed to draw it out 3 more episodes for the sake of travel - Beric + Jon dialogue 11/10

Amna 🍉

Jon shouldn't have bent the knee without consulting the North, ESPECIALLY considering what her father did to the Starks

Shadow
>>149954545

It fr coulda been a side plot for like a whole season

Amna 🍉

Mckay was dying for one of them to comment on the chains lol

Shadow
>>149954092

Yea fr like this is D&Ds Dany - I pinky promise. Grrms version is all the good moments u get x10

Amna 🍉
>>149954536

no I meant like why would she even be doing that in the first palce. Goes against everything she said about "I'm Arya stark and I'm going back home"

GB3

Im an hour late, I hope I didn’t miss the exclusive bts version of this

Sora

godammit I love how bad this is

Amna 🍉

JACKSON WAS ACTUALLY RIGHT ABOUT THE DRAGON LORE. Cregan was talking about it to Jaecerys

Teri M
>>149953443

For the same reason Jack and Rose both couldn't be on the headboard :)

Amna 🍉

As a Arya and Sansa stan, the last two seasons was hard to watch 😭😭

TheSauceGuy

Best part of this episode is the scenes with Beric's sword lmao

Clegane (GOT Season 1-8 enjoyer)

Tyrion is a bum. They had Aegons Conquest outline. They're bums for losing Dorne and the Reach. Woulda been so easy just to march on kings landing.

Amna 🍉

Correction to Carter. D&D changed Dany a lot, like A LOOOOOT from how GRRM wrote her. This is all D&D. They totally screwed her character since her season 2 arc

Lydia

Positives: Dany’s outfits 🔥🔥

TheSauceGuy

I think this is like the third time in the entire series we've seen all three dragons in action, and one had to die. It's also important to mention that Undead Tywin had a perfect shot on Drogon and killing him would've prevented any of them from escaping lol.

Gilster
>>149954209

I kind of do like the theory that bran crossing the wall with the NK mark cancelled the magic on the wall but I doubt these writers could even think about that

danidelight

Regarding what Carter and Brig said in the outro about how they've invested so much time into watching these since April - imagine how all of us felt who had to wait a whole year for each new season to come out, we had to sit there, wait and stew, and just theorize about everything imaginable. All the possibilities. That's why so many people had so much to say about the last two seasons bcuz by this timeline the show has already passed what was available from the books, so they are just writing on their own.

Mel

Carters face when Jon said “muh queen” was so good 😂😂😂

Amna 🍉

Tyrion is a smart character but even Catelyn was able to outsmart him in the books, he's not always the smartest person in the room. He's sometimes very emotionally led

danidelight
>>149953443

@Teri M hahahaha omg I was originally going to make that comment 😂

Amna 🍉

I'm sooo excited to know what will happen to Benjen in the books bc grrm has confirmed he's not cold hands

TheSauceGuy

Viserion is the one that was killed

Niffol

Jack is referring to queen alysanne, she tried to get her dragon to fly past it and it wouldnt. She didn't let night's watch know how unsettling it was to her that her dragon refused. In HoTD i think rhaenyra said king jahaerys and queen alysanne both attempted, so maybe she convinced old jahaerys to try.

TheSauceGuy

Benjen serves purely to save two major characters and then die lmao

Daenerys Targaryen

Carter, just know this...when I said "I hope I deserve it"....this is the true Daenerys, the Daenerys GRRM wrote. Forget the other stuff lol.

TheSauceGuy

I can't handle the teleportation anymore, omg

alexis ♡︎

“the real daenerys” by alt shift x would feed generations

creeper doodle
>>149955603

It's rare, but sometimes a bit of the 'true Daenerys' peeks through. I hope he realizes that the Dany he knows isn't 'George's Dany'. I want him to read the books so bad.

Kamina 1

Carter looked like his head was going to explode at different points in this reaction 😂

Daenerys Targaryen
>>149955603

Same 😭 I just can’t get over the fact that show only fans have this image of Dany as cringe, annoying, entitled, etc. I hope they read the books one day.

David J

The teleportation in this season has lowkey been crazy but I think that everyone forgets that probably the biggest and most egregious teleportation in this show happens in season 1 episode 1 lol

lily p

The chains are so unserious like please be fr 💀

Shadow
>>149955701

David Lightbringer has a great one for Dany to that he made after Alt shift did the Jon one. Who is the real Dany? He has probs the best and most in depth Dany playlist on yt. Dany’s pr person😂

David J
>>149955682

By your logic you should’ve stopped watching after the pilot😂

Mobcujoh

They all just let Thoros get mauled for 20 seconds lol

TheSauceGuy

You are muh queen

Euphemia Isobel

If you just watch any scene from season 1-4 and compare it to any scene in this season, it's just not even the same show. That's why Carter is seeing it harder than the others, he's re-watching the show as he goes.

Enma

It sucks that they changed the Night King's design. In the original design, he had a much scarier and creepy look to him, looked like he belonged in Dark Souls or a bit like the ghost king in Return of the King. This design, the one they use in the show, isn't bad per se but it just looks a bit goofy to me. Original Design: https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Night-King-Game-of-Thrones-Concept-Art.jpg

Euphemia Isobel
>>149956058

And the final dumb assery of Tyrions plans comes to fruition, his idea to go get a zombie for Cersei because he's sabotaging everyone in order to spare his sister who wants him dead. The writing is truly out of this world.

Shadow
>>149955701

Yayyy🙏 and me and my queens minds work on the same wavelength lol😂

TheSauceGuy

It wouldn't have taken weeks, but there's no way Dany could've made it within a day, especially considering Gendry had to go to Eastwatch and then send a raven.

Amna 🍉
>>149955842

Is literally not the same thing. They acknowledge how much time passes by. When Robert wants to visit Lyanna in the crypts, Cersei tells him to go rest bc they've been traveling for one month. You know how much time has passed by. They literally do be teleporting in this season and season 8

jason

yeah this episode is where it ends for me. jon not getting on drogon makes no sense , danys character/dialogue becoming more and more unlikable as the episodes go on for no reason , sansa saying she saved the north like jon wasn’t on the field putting in that work. dumb and dumber atp, pls just put the fries in the bag and never make a tv show again.

Euphemia Isobel

Last thoughts for Daenerys, keep in mind in her perspective she is carrying the pressure of an entire historical family on her shoulders, she thinks she's all that is left, she's gone through absolute terror since being a child. She has seen miracles happen to her, she has to believe she's correct, getting to this point in her life has affirmed all of her beliefs. With that being said D&D definitely are trying their best to make her unlikable and make Jon and Tyrion super stupid.

Myles

can’t wait to see Carter face during the second half of season 8 💀

V
>>149955872

Oh my god. Yes. Be for fucking real.

Roy Koopa

By this point, there had been one or two actually bad episodes. A couple of mid episodes. But this. This was the first atrocious episode. Absolutely awful. Writing obviously, direction, and even some of the acting. Really, really bad.

Thicc Thanos

How much do I have to pay to get you guys to react to The Room? I swear I’ll take out a loan. I’ll sell all my stuff. I’ll sell my holes. You guys have to watch The Room. It’s the funniest bad movie of all time. EDIT* I just realized how crazy it is that the weird and bad writing of this episode made me think of that movie.

Jed

This is yalls 777 post on the patreon. Congrats Kings👑

TheSauceGuy

I think Dan and Dave could've made something that at least somewhat made sense if they'd not tried to wrap everything up within two seasons. They were trying to tie up loose ends because they were tired of the show and in over their heads. They cut out many minor and major plot lines from the books and still felt overwhelmed. I can understand why GRRM is struggling considering his age, other projects, and the fact that he has to resolve far more than Dan and Dave had to before his story can be considered finished. I don't think he'll ever finish the books if he doesn't dedicate all of his time to them, but I'm hoping we can at least get the next one.

TheSauceGuy
>>149956153

Is this official though? Their book counterparts are less wrinkly and more alien in appearance; they're also described as beautiful in some ways. Let's not forget the ice spiders lol.

Melczech

I'm not as critical about the show as some. Sure, there are things I wish had been done differently. D&D rushing to finish it still ticks me off, but I don't let that ruin it for me. I just enjoy being lost in a fantasy world were Gendry turns into the Flash and White Walkers have a handy supply of large chains lying around lol! Kidding aside, I hope you guys don't get too disappointed with what's to come. Contrary to how a lot of people feel, I was pretty content with how it ended.

TheSauceGuy
>>149955682

There was no teleporting in the pilot, they just didn't show the time that had passed. In these later seasons, the time simply isn't passing and people are just travelling through the warp to get to their destination.

TheSauceGuy
>>149954660

I still don't understand the chain argument. The Thenns produced metal in the valley that they lived in, so obtaining metal wouldn't be all that difficult. Everyone also seems to assume that they can't forge their own metal or scavenge from the countless wildling civilizations that they have wiped from the map. Also, people don't seem to ask whether their armor is forged or scavenged. In the end, they're magic ice men that are capable of things we don't understand because we're never shown anything.

David J
>>149955842

This season is basically the same they just don’t tell us how long it’s been and it’s left up to interpretation. Obviously the Davos travel last episode didn’t happen in one day, but rather that they are just skipping the travel to focus more on the main plot which I don’t have a problem with. I do however have a problem with the raven reaching dragonstone from the wall and then dany and her dragons flying to save them which seems to happen within 12-15 hours. But with the other episodes I just view it as them skipping the journey and getting straight to the plot. Pacing isn’t a make or break for me as it might be for others.

TheSauceGuy

The Night King should've thrown those spears at Jon's ships at Hardhome lol

Mitch
>>149954209

Nope because benjen still couldn’t cross the wall so that theory doesn’t work.

Mitch

Arya literally became an anime character 😭😭😭😭😭

lily p
>>149954660

I think the issue with the chains is how they managed to get the chains so quickly, how fast the dragon was pulled up by the wights, and how they even attached the chains to the dragon in the first place. Sure, there are many possible explanations for how they got the chains, but that still doesn’t address the smaller details that don’t make sense

lily p
>>149954545

So much of what went on Beyond the Wall between Bran, Sam, Jon, etc were episodes long and the pacing felt right. This was just a disaster

TheSauceGuy

Carter, George did not write any of the show characters. To varying degrees depending on the character, David and Dan make them their own. Some of the characters from seasons 1-4 are still entirely different people. If you guys are upset about the Lannisters still being on the throne, you should watch some videos about Young Griff (another claimant to the throne) once you're done with the show. I think you guys would REALLY enjoy videos like "The Real Jon Snow" by Alt Shift X and other similar videos that cover the book characters.

bateman bookworm

i don’t hate the last seasons like some other people bc i still enjoy the world and the characters etc, but this ep had me HEATED and soooooo annoyed. One of my personal least favorites of the show by far

Amna 🍉
>>149956670

Like why keep fighting, just get on the dragon and flee😭😭😭

jason

i’m sorry but idgaf this season acc a parody 🤣 the rewatches are painful, they fucked up from the season premiere . jon should’ve been colder the moment he came back from the dead, are we gonna forget how dragons refused to go to the north? , how was tyrion a better hand to joffrey than he was to dany, sansa acting like jon didn’t want smoke with boltons and saved the north , put sum respect on his fucking name!! arya storyline like what?💀 dany broke up with daario for marriage alliances but she can’t marry jon and politically secure the north, like you had a larger army than cersei how are you loosing?! i could’ve written a better season drunk.

lily p

It's also heartbreaking that we don’t get to see much of Daenerys' bond with her other dragons on the show. While Drogon gets most of the attention, because he is the dragon that she rides, the relationship between Daenerys and Viserion is super overlooked. In the books, Viserion was actually the one most attached to Daenerys. He was a “mommy’s boy,” staying close to her, seeking her affection, and bonding with her in a way that was different to Drogon and Rhaegal. His death in the show feels especially tragic, not only because he didn’t deserve to go out in such a careless, rushed plot, but because it disregarded the deep connection he shared with Daenerys. They essentially sacrificed him to sell a plot that made no sense and didn’t give his loss the attention it deserved.

Amna 🍉
>>149958218

For me they especially ruined Daenerys, Jon and Sansa. Like to the point they can't fix it

jason
>>149956670

dumb and dumber , made GoT an anime and decided to leave the brain cells of every single character 💀

Sean Carroll
>>149957315

Considering you have the opposite mindset it’s also likely they will have the opposite reaction to you with what’s to come Ergo you enjoy it and they dislike it.

Enma
>>149956153

The original design is from the production designer of GoT, this was a concept of what he was going to look like but eventually changed later on. Tbf, most concept designs stay as concepts and the final product is almost never like the original. As for the books, I tend to separate the show from the books as their own thing or adaption, since the show strays away from the source. But you are right, they are described as strangely beautiful and elegant with peculiar and inhuman features, which I think the concept did well reproducing. And yeah, unfortunately we aren't gonna see giant ice spiders or them being ridden, which D&D thought would look weird in live action also iirc they are only mentioned like 3 or 4 times and are considered a legend or highly exaggerated, but I guess the white walkers were also considered that too but here we are. Also, there is a theory that the spiders are just pieces of wights strung together, making it have the appearance of a spider.

Sean Carroll
>>149956781

Carter is going to leave the room at some point in season 8 I’m calling it

Frosty

Why are we so confused about the Arya Sansa beef? Arya is literally a psycho, did we all see what she’s been thru and who she’s been with? And at that age???? I feel like Arya and Sansa’s characters have been built to where they are now throughout the whole show. Why are we so confused about Daenerys’s pov when talking to Tyrion? She has to agree/listen to everything he says and not push back otherwise she’s a flip flopper? Jon was going to go after the night king but then saw all the wights surrounding him so he didn’t just charge (still obviously stupid of him to even consider). In this episode they didn’t make it seem like they hiked weeks from the wall to get where they are, so to me it doesn’t feel impossible that gendry used every ounce of energy in him to run there, they did do a bad job at showing how long they sat on that island freezing and waiting for help but in general… it just feels like we’re getting confused and criticizing the wrongs parts of the show instead of stuff like the chains ☠️

TheSauceGuy

I criticize so many aspects of the show and will never understand the chain argument lol. It has to be people copying what others have said and/or just joking. Is it really hard to believe that the White Walkers wouldn't scavenge anything useful they found from the countless wildling civilizations they've destroyed? The Thenns forged metal far north of the Wall, so I'd imagine the magic ice people would have no difficulty doing it themselves or just scavenging from shipwrecks. Like, out of everything you could ask about the magic ice men, you're asking how they came across chains despite having been around for thousands of years?

TheSauceGuy
>>149958218

I agree, but at least Jon is still likable, even if he's the most one-tone character ever lol.

GB3

I’ll admit that when this season was airing live, that the hype made me ignore a lot of the plot wackiness of this season. The one thing that I couldn’t overlook and was the first big stupid thing about this show was the Arya - Sansa plot

Shadow
>>149958851

I mean yea cuz the chains are vital to a massive plot point. And I’ve thought of where they could get chains like that - such as from an old anchor(the giants used some in the battle of the wall). But to think that the wights just keeps a big ass chain with them at all times ready to go is crazy. They aren’t seen with any other siege tools. They coulda at least teased the chain somewhere to make it a tiny bit more believable. It’s feels like such an ass pull. The entire plot to get a “ice” dragon feels ultra contrived and that’s a part of it

TheSauceGuy

Minor note for you Geks, the term "White Walker" only applies to the masters that control the dead, while the term "wight" is used for their servants. In the books, there are more names attributed to the White Walkers.

zena
>>149955603

i am not gonna lie i never liked dany in the show she feels too entitled and smug but i am gonna start the books after finishing fire and blood and i'm so excited to see what shes like in the books

Mitch
>>149958851

Yep because the white walkers just carried around 10 separate 50 foot long chains with them everywhere they went for the past 1000 years for fun! Genius writing and completely believable. Stop coping for garbage writing.

Gilster
>>149954209

I mean that’s before he crosses over. There’s no evidence of benjen trying to after he saved bran

zena
>>149955682

nah in the pilot they showed the time difference by showing how much the dire wolfs grew

Alexa

"Good thing pookie Drogon is on the way" I can't with Brig 💀🤣

Blackeyedlily

The one thing that I love about this episode is the visuals of the dragons burning the wights in the snow. Most everything else is sadly, pretty terrible. Though I do enjoy some of the banter among the group on the wight hunt. I’m going to repeat what I said in a comment on a previous episode in this season. They have gotten to the point that many of the characters are plainly acting out of character. And as other people have observed about these final two seasons, the show runners had a story ending in mind that they were heading to. And they need the characters to do certain things in order to reach that story end. It is no longer a character driven story, but a plot driven story. The entire storyline with Arya and Sansa is terrible. They are creating this unnecessary conflict between these two siblings that is just irritating to watch. And I would say the same thing about the conflict between Daenerys and Tyrion. Lots of people, including the actor who played Tyrion talk about how stupid Tyrion became in the final seasons. And this is a character that we grew to love because of his cleverness. That is one reason why so much of this feels so frustrating to people in these final two seasons. As someone who is always recommending the books, I do have to say something about Daenerys in response to the comments about her in your wrap up discussion. Daenerys is another one of the characters that the show runners did not do justice to. I can understand why several of you do not care for her. So I would just like to share that the show made her much more arrogant and unyielding in her demands. She is a much warmer character in the books. And once you guys wrap up the entire series, I’m going to recommend a couple of videos that do a good job exploring the differences between her in the books and the show. One last thing. You guys were questioning why Daenerys was calling Jon short in her conversation with Tyrion. When the series was airing originally Kit Harington was a very popular star with the fan base. And it was rumored that the show runners were often trying to take him down a peg or two. There was more than one comment about Jon having a small cock from Tormund. And this is not the only time it is said that Jon is short. I can’t verify that that was the aim of these comments. But it was some thing that was discussed at the time. And if the show runners felt inclined to passive aggressively insult Kit Harington, it seems like a shame since Kit Harington comes across as a nice person.

Amna 🍉
>>149958218

Nah I wanted the ambitious, sassy and certified hater Jon from the books

TheSauceGuy
>>149958851

Characters are teleporting, building fleets, and sieging castles without siege equipment this season. I'd agree that the speed at which the chains were deployed is totally an issue, but I don't think possessing them in the first place is an issue at all. If they can see glimpses of the future or have supernatural senses, maybe there'd be an argument for them having them on hand, but we aren't seeing this.

TheSauceGuy
>>149958851

Also, you don't typically need siege tools when you aren't attacking well-defended positions. They also have walls of corpses lol.

ShanB

This episode isn't perfect and I agree with a lot of the criticism on it. I wouldn't call Arya and Sansa's beef forced though .. even though I saw it that way on first watch myself. It's just because we want a perfectly loving Stark reunion so bad but it's never been lovey dovey with these two. Arya always rolled her eyes at how bad Sansa wanted Joffrey and to be queen. Sansa always scoffed at Arya getting dirty and not being a proper lady. Last time Arya saw her sister she had her hair done the way the ladies of the capital wear it (no longer dressing like a lady of the North) and her dad got killed on Joffrey's orders. Sansa also lied for Joffrey before with the whole wolf incident. Arya didn't have much context other than this from her point of view as a kid (she was busy chasing cats and training with her dancing master). Not to mention she's more of a fighter she can't understand Sansa yielding so easily. It's actually one of the more realistic (even if not executed in the best way) things about the episode. A grown up Arya would absolutely have fun trolling Sansa in this new creepy way instead of throwing food at her like she did in the first episode.

farkzzy

LOL this ep is so bad

Amna 🍉
>>149958738

I guess it's just me being book biased but Arya would never blame Sansa for Ned's death, not even show Arya. The Starks have wanted nothing but to reunite and be in their home. Is also weird how Sansa has given no hints of stealing Jon's position, she actually has been defending Jon but immediately Arya sees her as a danger to Jon to the point of threatening to kill her. There's also the fact that Arya is behaving like "no one" when the whole point of her coming back to winterfell was that she wasn't "no one". I just feel like Arya and Sansa wouldn't be beefing after everything they've been through, especially when they both saw their father being beheaded.

TheSauceGuy
>>149958851

My point is that many people make arguments against whether they could possess them in the first place. Being able to utilize them so quickly is a problem that I agree it and mention lol. It's no different to Euron's fleet, Jaime's siege without equipment, or the teleporting.

Brig Andrus

Yeah this episode was NOT it 😂. Finale goes crazy tho 😁

TheSauceGuy
>>149958218

I agree lol, I'm just saying that at least Jon as a character isn't insufferable (yet). He at least acts as a character that does good and you can root for, even if it removes all complexity lol.

Shadow
>>149958851

Yea but that’s the principle. If they don’t carry any siege tools at all cuz why would they - they are marching to the wall - then why would they suddenly decide today we need to carry maybe the most cumbersome piece of equipment this once. They could easily find a chain but they would never know they needed it or possessed one… except when D&d decides they do. It’s kinda like u said - it feels the night king can maybe see future events because it’s feels so unnatural like an outside force intervened. D&d practically pointing out the correct answer to the night king right before the test because they needed him to be correct even tho he never woulda came to the conclusion himself. And the answer this time was a chain. Im just saying they don’t carry or use any equipment in general besides basic weapons. Nothing near a massive chain that would take a coordinated effort. And I’m not complaining just about the pace of it. Thats the least of the problems. It’s rushed but we coulda spent a whole episode on chains and dragon and it still woulda been asinine. They could find a chain for sure but they would not have been in possession of it. We’ve seen so many wide shots over the army of the dead as well as battles and there’s just zero indication of something going on like that. The wights are depicted as just a crazy horde

Alexa

The beef between Arya and Sansa is soooo contrived. They tried to make Littlefinger great again but it just feels weird and awkward and I hate every second of it 😭

Mitch
>>149960088

The finale is def better than this ep I’ll give you that! Idk how much that’s saying tho.

jason
>>149960418

like dumb and dumber, it’s too late for little finger you already made him a walking meme💀

Bambina

Okay but I think enough time did pass. We see Gendry start running when it was daytime. He arrived when it was dark. So at least a few hours? Then we see Daenerys go at daytime and arrive when it’s getting darker. So at least 24 h. passed as we also see Jon and crew sleep through the night on the rock. So while in the episode it did seem fast, they also did show us that this happens in at least two different days. It’s believable that the crow flew in a few hours and Daenerys to fly in less, like I imagine a dragon flies as fast as a plane does. And it’s also possible for Gendry to run to Eastwatch if he’s been running for a few hours.

Thicc Thanos
>>149958851

Imagine how much more badass it would have been if they had the same shot of the blue eye but instead of the stupid chain shit, they just showed it underwater. In the murky depths you just see this one piercing blue eye open. It doesn’t even have to be explained how he got out of the water. You can just assume he swam and crawled out himself. I’m pretty sure the Night King doesn’t have to physically touch him to turn him into Blue Eyes Wight Drogon if he’s already dead. The chain stuff unnecessary.

Alexa
>>149955145

The fact that I'm reading your comments in Clegane's voice gets me so bad 💀

TheSauceGuy
>>149958851

In terms of carrying the chains, they do have the massive horde of undead that doesn't get tired lol. Also, siege equipment is often built outside of the area you are hoping to siege, so it does make sense that they aren't bringing equipment that could just be assembled once they reach the wall. They wouldn't be able to forge chains outside of the wall, so they'd have to already possess them. Maybe they planned to use them in some form of assault on the wall, idk. They could've just not had the dragon crash into the pond to avoid any of this, but then there would be no uncertainty! I'm mostly with you, I'm just saying that many people seem to think that the White Walkers aren't even CAPABLE of obtaining them, which is silly to me. I doubt David and Dan thought about the potential other uses for the chains ofc, so it's mainly out of plot necessity as you said. Considering D&D's lack of intention in this regard, I do think the speed at which they had them ready doesn't make sense; I don't know how many times I have to clarify that. This season is full of time travel and teleportation lol, I'm not denying that.

TheSauceGuy
>>149958851

This would've been much better lol, I'm not arguing that it was a good decision lol.

Shadow
>>149958851

Yea idk why the night king couldn’t just raise the corpse to life while its underneath the water. Seeing an ice dragon break out woulda been better then the chaingate

TheSauceGuy
>>149960088

Cool scene straight out of the Wrath of the Lich King cinematic from WoW, but that's the only "good" thing I can remember.

Skyz

This is my first season 7 rewatch since the show ended and man, this episode is by far the worst episode of season 7 and probably in the entire show up to this point.

TheSauceGuy
>>149958851

Chaingate lol. I mean, the cool things aren't allowed to make sense.

Jessica

Arya another victim of D&D😔 Still my fave tho her character if s7 didn’t exist is 🤌🏼

BusterBigNuts

Their disappointment already makes me so scared for season 8 lol

Jessica

Okay the darkest episode in got history is coming y’all need to do something about the lights 😭 McKay🙏🏼🙏🏼

Kneegrow

Literally can’t wait to watch this so I’m gonna walk around work listening to it

Shadow
>>149958851

Final season got about as much sense in it as a empty piggy bank does😂

hollow soul

i hate game of thrones and love haikyuu 😜

Leo
>>149962089

😂😂😂 they need to turn off all the lights and watch

Ayaulym🇰🇿

Cannon what are you hiding under that cap👀 is that a jay jo mullet? (Google it)

Camilla
>>149959374

Kit (Jon’s actor) calling D&D horrible and saying that they’re not good people got me ctfu 😭💀 He talks about it in this interview: https://youtu.be/E9F6LPWrsIA?si=PYuoj8UN-UMYvoT1 (at 4:31 and 5:26)

Camilla
>>149950649

Kit (Jon’s actor) calling D&D horrible and saying that they’re not good people got me ctfu 😭💀 He talks about it in this interview: https://youtu.be/E9F6LPWrsIA?si=PYuoj8UN-UMYvoT1 (at 4:31 and 5:26)

DC

The arya sansa dynamic is so poorly written and completely ruins this episode tbh

Ayaulym🇰🇿

Tyrion is so hypocritical. He didn't care when Daenerys burned all her other enemies but he's making such a fuse about one house that lost in a fair battlefield just because they were a lord of Westeros. Daenerys is completely right. Tyrion is not giving any strategy on how to win this war except stop her at every opportunity of fight because 'there shouldn't be any blood shed'. t I understand her frustration and I really can't see why people are annoyed with her in that exact conversation. Tyrion is calling her impulsive when she had NEVER reacted to mere insults. When people woild call her whore, badmouth her thinking she doesn't understand their language. Everywhere she went she rarely did anything impulsive. No she took all the insults until striking at the right moment. How much dumber could Tyrion get? So, Daenerys should give everyone time to contemplate and think about dying or serving her? What is that strategy. Should she just let her enemies live so that they could stab her in the back when they are ready just because Tyrion felt sympathy for the father and son? Where did Tyrion from battle of the blackwater go? He literally threw WILDFIRE at the ships and was responsible for the death of so many people. Because he knew what needed to be done. He hit Joffrey, said all those vile things to the people in court about poisoning them, killed his father, manipulated the entire court once he bacame the hand, killed his lover, I could go on and on… It feels like geks are still a bit blinded by the glory of Tyrion in the previous seasons. Though I was exactly like that in my first watch lmao. Now I can't STAND Tyrion from season 7

TheSauceGuy
>>149959374

The showrunners didn't do justice to many of the characters. I think Theon is a good example of one that was executed decently, although he probably should be less recognizable, but that'd take a lot of effort. Those rumors seem petty and baseless to me, but I'd have to look further into it.

jblakk

This is a weird but interesting thought I just had.... Dany, Arya, Sansa, Rhaenyra. They were all great female characters when they were underdogs. Then the moment they get in control they become less likable. Is this a classic case of men writers having a pitfall when writing women? I want to say its bad writing to former good characters, but I see so many Dany fans that still like her at this point, so it makes me wonder if the problem is deeper than that. I dont have an answer and dont wanna get too crazy in the comments here, or assume the wrong thing or have others project their own issues that go too far into society as a whole here. it just makes me wonder. Because EVERY single one of them started getting more criticism from others and myself included once they gained more power. Its just interesting correlation. What needs to be fixed? If anything.... Edit: It took me like 1 more minute after posting but I think its simply just bad writers lol. Because Arcane has powerful women and theyre dope. So does AoT

TheSauceGuy
>>149957922

I was thinking that same thing, the vibe she gives off is like that, or maybe a toxic Redditor

dylan brown
>>149952499

Yes they pre-watched the episode so they could rewatch it and nail every prediction, its not like the show devolved into predictable slop or anything

kivu_king

pros of this episode : night king aura , cons : everything else

TheSauceGuy
>>149955291

That and who tf Coldhands is. I saw an interesting theory that he might be a warg who'd died and been stuck within an animal, but when his body was risen, he returned to it.

TheSauceGuy
>>149954660

I mean, how did the Night King THROW a spear with enough velocity to hit a flying dragon when there was one sitting in front of him!? I agree with the rest of your points, but I'm sure there are ways it can be done. The fact that nothing is explained or shown though is just example of them rushing and expecting too much from the viewer.

TheSauceGuy
>>149954581

Well, she did just save his life and help him accomplish a vital mission. He knows they'll listen to him and if they don't, they're all dead anyway. Children are not their parents.

TheSauceGuy
>>149954294

I wish they'd upload the entire season in one video and then we can see their spirits get crushed over the course of the entire video, with the outro only being at very end.

kaan

Man, this episode is so sorry that I skipped almost all of it up until end of the episode discussion. It also feels so cheap even though they spent a ton on visuals. Not that cgi or effects are bad it just that some scenes are kinda off. Also, say what you say about CW but first 5 seasons of Supernatural clears this season of GoT

TheSauceGuy
>>149954209

Mitch, Benjen was just compelled by a higher power unknown to him (D&D) to get himself killed after saving Jon.

jblakk

Also its kind of funny. (Other people did this when the episode came out that are probably more accurate) But a Raven can fly 100 miles in a day. Eastwatch and Dragonstone are roughly 1900 miles apart (yikes) So eventhough ravens are fast af, its still impossible sadly. I can use suspension of disbelief for it, I just wish some of the character decisions werent so dumb lol. They could have easily just had Dany be at east watch. It would have solved alot of the wonkyness. The growing issue of the later part of the series isnt what is, but what could be. Dan and Dave could have had more time to complete the story, they just didnt want to. They were done. Fatigued and not given enough notes from George because if we're being honest I dont think hes confident where the story goes either, or we would have something by now.

Philbo
>>149954294

why did i find this so damn funny lol that would be hilarious. like I'm already getting irritated about some scenes we are going to watch soon lol

Ayaulym🇰🇿

John seeing Daeny’s extended hand and going “nuh uh” just to continue to stall them is just💀 Remember when North used to be actually cold and huge? When leaving the wall and going to the land of wildlings was a dangerous quest? And people would die from sheer cold? Oh now, you could fall into freezing water, spend minutes there and then swim out, ride until the wall and be fine😍 P.S. not Arya being cringy af every time she opens her mouth. Seems like she is trying really hard to copy the faceless man and be mysterious for no reason😭 like this is your sister bruh.

TheSauceGuy
>>149953567

I always got time for GoT lol. I think people just like to share experiences a lot of the time. It's like when you eat something that tastes bad and you want someone else to try it lol.

jblakk
>>149965597

First time I EVER skipped a portion of the Geks reaction was this ep with some of the arya/sansa scenes. Geks not at fault at all, scenes were just too awkward and cheesy lol.

jblakk
>>149960772

The Gendry part is solid. The rest less so, I wrote up the math up above in another post but yeh. The Gendry part is actually fine.

TheSauceGuy
>>149953086

Idk, he was kind of similar at times in the earlier seasons but he was younger. I guess he's still young though. It definitely feels off though.

TheSauceGuy
>>149952951

real reason she lost Highgarden and Dorne is because she couldn't pick out an outfit

TheSauceGuy
>>149952903

Balerion visited the wall? Was this with Silverwing? I might be kind of forgetting lol

Yomide

Dany was so right by the way. Let me take the throne before you start discussing my successors. Do you want me dead or something? 💀

TheSauceGuy
>>149951826

when Cannon jokingly talked about Jaime killing Drogon with a javelin, it was so funny to me

ssj4rit

Geks should make a compilation of their GoT reactions like they did with AoT, only we get to see the hope fade from their eyes as time passes.

Yomide
>>149964919

Yup. It is indeed a case of male writers not being able to write nuanced female leaders. If you’re not a victim, then you’re tyrannical. No in-betweens

TheSauceGuy
>>149949680

Bran prob just discovered how to warp space and time and just gave this power to everyone. They really be teleporting

Ayaulym🇰🇿

I saw more chemistry between Beric Dondarrion and The Hound than Daenerys and John. There’s no spark, nothing. Only the words of others , like Tyrion saying “and that John Snow” or Onion Knight teasing John. But it doesn’t even matter if every interaction between them is stale as it gets. Book John Snow is rolling in his grave (literally) currently with how boring show John is😔 56:30 and 01:04:22 Carter is me P.S. I know this my hundredth comment but the whole episode is infuriating me as a I watch. It’s so much worse than I remember

TheSauceGuy
>>149951838

GRRM's verse is too good, but the adaptations always fall short. I'm still excited for HotD despite glaring plot issues that you guys aren't aware of. I think A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms will be really fun too. In a perfect world, we'd get the books and they'd be great, but I'm not sure we'll ever get more than the next one, if that.

Ana
>>149964362

Fr. The show is trying to make it seem like Dany is unhinged when she hasn't even did anything crazy. I hate Tyrion so much. I was done with Tyrion season 5. They ruined Tyrion so much. How is Cersei of all people outsmarting you??? Tyrion in the books does not play when it comes to Cersei. He's the worst character in the show to me so far

Ana
>>149958738

Yeah I agree. Arya never really messed with Sansa like that. The show doesn't really show how cruel Sansa was to Arya and Jon growing up. They shouldn't of done this plot because show watchers wouldn't get it.

Leo
>>149966296

At this point, jon is the only interesting character among main characters in the show.

Ayaulym🇰🇿

Tbf book Daenerys is different from Show Daenerys . The book Daenerys is more peaceful, and it’s her advisors who actually try to push her towards violent solutions. And obviously she is literally a child in the books.

Jsjdifjfjfjrjkeowkhdhf

Now that I am rewatching this show, I can see how the last two seasons have fallen down in terms of plots and writing. It is a painful watch

Branflakes

lol your reactions when stupid shit happens is exactly how I felt watching this episode, some good moments sure but mostly just "wtf?" Can't wait to hear your thoughts on the show when its finished.

Amna 🍉
>>149964919

Definitely just bad writers. Like I don't understand why they don't just follow the books🤦🏽‍♀️ GRRM has done such a good job writing such diverse range of female characters, WHY RUIN THAT😩😭

Ayaulym🇰🇿
>>149966296

He is not. He is a great man and all but he is so bland. In the books he is different. The show version, and ESPECIALLY the later seasons made him this “honorable good man, who can only speak about good”. Completely taking out all the complexities from him. Moreover the fact that he is exactly the same after coming back from dead is just pure stupidity. In every dialogue he says the most bland, predictable thing ever. No wit, no other goals than “stopping the dead”, no personality. It’s like he is a mini worse version of Ned Stark. And he is NOT supposed to be like that. Remember Jon who used to talk back in the earlier seasons? Go against everyone and still stand his ground? Who used to say more than 3 sentences and not repeat the same thing over and over? Yeah I miss that Jon😔 Book Jon is ruthless and cunning😩 I really don’t understand the writing/acting choice of making him this boring copy of Ned

Leo
>>149966296

Ana, If jon sucks then everyone else in the show already sucking hard

Nat Brojeni

It’s predictable because it’s the end Carter! Like what’s gonna happen when you know there’s only one season left? Is it rushed absolutely, not all the writing is great! Sure! but the story has to happen this way! That’s why it’s predictable cause there’s nothing left!

jason
>>149964362

i 100% agree , felt that from ep 4 , when she was telling tyrion “perhaps you don’t wanna hurt your family after all”, she better than me cuz how does she have a whole armada and 3 dragons and is still loosing?! after she followed tyrions plan through, the dany hate continues to be forced and the tyrion is not enough this seasons booooo!!!

neko

The night king could have thrown the spear at Drogon, a sitting duck that is infinitely easier to kill, causing Dany and the rest failing to escape. Instead, he threw at a flying Viserion that is so high up and hit it in first try. Pacing and teleportation memes aside, the more we think about the writing aspect of the show, the more the bad writing surfaces itself. Including the cringey dialogues, weird changes on the character personality etc.

TakeTheCannoli
>>149958738

Arya was alone with Tywin for an entire season WITH the assistance of a faceless man and didn’t kill him. I don’t see what she is complaining about

TakeTheCannoli

Reminder that Arya was alone with Tywin for an entire season with the help of a trained assassin and didn’t kill him

jason

also dany showing frustration to tyrion is completely valid, can any of you pls tell me what this man has accomplished since he came to dragon stone better or not even in meereen ? he keeps telling her he’s a wise man or whatever but all of his plans have failed. i would’ve replaced him with another hand by now. this whole daenerys hate train is becoming forced cuz no offence ain’t no way yall putting up with tyrions bs advice when none of his plans have worked since becoming her hand.

Afra

They did viserion so dirty in the show it makes me sick…

Nomaan

And this is why I hate this season and the next. Daenerys isn’t kissing Tyrion’s ass (rightfully so) but cos it’s Tyrion, people automatically don’t like her for it? Sorry Cannon, but Tyrion deserves it this season. And I mean this seasons writing for many characters is just crap

Bambina
>>149960772

Okay that’s good to know, I googled how much can a raven fly and it took me straight to GoT forum threads 😭😭😭 someone did the math and said it should’ve taken at least 4 days total?

Ante

Tyrion insinuating that Dany had been reckless with her power was ridiculous, when imo she has shown a lot of restraint for having 3 dragons on deck. The Tarlys said they were backing Cersei and wouldn't change in front of everyone. Literally every monarch in the verse greenlights the execution there.

Nomaan
>>149968258

Exactly 😭 u can completely not like Dany for whatever reasons but not liking her cos she’s mad at Tyrion for ALL the right reasons is crazy. But they’re Tyrion glazers so of course they’re not gonna see his faults

CHIEF
>>149958992

I remember that being a big turning point for even most defenders to start going "wtf is actually going on here?"

CHIEF

"Jon's gonna have to ride the other dragon home..." I was waiting for someone to ask: "Daenarys?"

jason
>>149968258

i get that danys show character and book character have a massive gap in terms of writing, but in this season she hasn’t really done anything wrong to feed her haters. besides her first encounter with jon and that whole speech and not respecting him as king of the north. like y’all hate when the characters you dislike spits nothing but facts to the characters you like???

Nomaan

Well Carter, the Daenerys George wrote is not the one we got in the show😂 I’m convinced you’d like Book Dany 10x more than show Dany and that’s something I’ll always hate D&D for. They really changed her whole personality and it’s just JARRING. Emilia Clarke literally read the books and wanted to bring Daenerys’ warmth and humour to the show and the writers simply said no as she stated in an interview. But no, George didn’t write any of these TV characters and it definitely shows

Nomaan
>>149966296

Please tell us what Jon has done this entire season? Aside from this episode that is? Like in this entire season he’s had basically no real storyline so how would he be the most interesting to follow?

Jamir Blue

This episode is where I started to fall off with the show. Jon, Tyrion, and The Hound irritated me. Tyrion because he is thinking long term but not short and what needs to be accomplished. They need the dead to convince Cersi(spellcheck) but yet when Dany who has DRAGONS wants to go save them and their proof he says don't go. If she didn't go then what. Which leads to Jon. I am of the mind that had he got on the dragon the one that died wouldn't have died. This and The Battle of the Bastards has me convinced he is trying to died and they shouldn't have brought him back. As for The Hound, why are we throwing rocks? That was stupid to me cause you either show them it's solid or it's not. And since it was solid they attacked. That scene made no sense to me. If you made it this far kudos cause even I wouldn't have. Winter is coming.

Keiji

Aunt Dany

jase

carter you really have to explain why you haven’t vibed with daenerys? her morals aren’t questionable and her intentions are extremely good, the only reason for you not to like her is because you don’t agree with how she sees herself, or that a woman with that much power could have that amount of self empowerment/worth, it’s just confusing to me i’m sorry

jase
>>149972084

and her anger towards tyrion is completely right, you pointed out their side’s losses and that’s all down to tyrion lol

Jamir Blue
>>149965697

I don't think anyone believes George is going to finish the series. Which is sad cause I know people want him to because of this show.

BloodyBen
>>149966116

And if she died in her sleep that night? who rules in her place? the amount of chaos that could cause is the reason kings/queens/lords/ladies name heirs and successors

Yomide
>>149966116

if she dies in her sleep, it ends. She would not become the queen of the seven kingdoms and frankly wouldn’t care what happened next (she’d be dead) and there would be no successors because she didn’t become queen

Henrik Åström

This is the first time watching season 7 and holy shit what a nosedive this series did. I get that they "needed" to wrap it up and the books are not there to support the writers. But for ffs, they could have done this so much cleaner, the writing is amateur level all of the sudden. I still need to see what happens, but it is starting to feel like just a thing to get closure on. I cringe anytime Cersie is on screen, she has become such a parody of an evil character now with zero depth. I know she will fucking end up on the throne in the end just to spite me, wanted her gone 2 seasons ago when she started to become really stale.

Marlon Douglas

My fellow patreons don't worry we have Dark, and later this year Arcane, peak is coming.

jase
>>149972084

yes literally!! i’ve never understood that opinion tbh, like of course she’s arrogant when she’s been fighting for the good of the people against the most evil human beings, you have to have that form of strength, or call it arrogance if you like i don’t care, within you to defeat those kind of beings

Leo
>>149966296

Oh, he made some good decisions as king in the north. He travelled from winterfell to dragonstone for dragonglass and convinced Dany to fight for him (which is more important than everything) and also one mystery will be revealed about him in next episode. So, yeah there is no storyline for him.

jason
>>149972084

i mean shit i would be arrogant to if i had three full grown dragons and whole armada. i feel like carters reasons for not liking her is personal atp 💀, he’s never really liked her since season 1, him and jack are always nit picking every thing she does and i feel like his “reasons” for disliking her he praises other characters for it Imo.

BipolarKitten

Javelin throw gold medalist : Night King

mk

This episode created so many got-olympia memes

Leo
>>149972084

People like me don't like her maybe because I have zero emotional connection to her character. So, don't blame carter.

jason
>>149966296

i mean he didn’t really convince her to fight for him, the deal was if he bends the knee she would fight for the north and he only bent the knee cuz she lost a dragon trying save him. and it’s crazy how jon and dany have more chemistry in real life than the show. just dumb and dumber being idiots.

Sean Carroll
>>149950764

Haha I’m not very technologically savvy so won’t be able to do that. I am thinking of changing my name however for season 8

jason
>>149972084

i’m not blaming him, i’m just saying it how it is from what i’ve seen from their reactions. i swr this is why i stopped commenting on their reactions cuz there’s ppl like you who can’t handle it when someone gives them constructive criticism on what they have seen with their own two eyes.

NoneOfYourBeeswax

I can't say where the Army of the Dead got their chains to pull Viserys from the lake, but it's obvious how they attached them - the undead wights just walked on the lakebed; they can't drown, and we even saw them come up from under the lake earlier in the episode, when the Hound smashed the ice under the wights and they fell into the lake only to rise up later and grab hold of Tormund's feet when he was assailed by wights. So the wights managing to attach chains to the dragon under the water and pull him up is not really an issue.

yio

bro where tf did the chains comes from 😭

Pete Befi
>>149972084

Prior to having any real interactions with the leaders of Qarth, she threatened to burn their city to the ground if they didn’t let her enter. Without fair trial, she executed the noble Mereenese. On numerous occasions, she’s given people the ‘option’ of ceding to her or death. Slavery is horrible. Cersei is horrible. The presumption that everyone living in a place where slavery exists or a region controlled by an evil dictator is inherently evil is equally terrible. If a foreign leader with weapons of mass destruction came up to me tomorrow and told me that he/she wanted to better the world and the only way to do so is to eliminate everything I’ve ever known or better yet, didn’t even speak with me, just crucified me for living in a place that had poor values, that is NOT a good person. The means to an end matter. As Jon has told her. As Tyrion has told her. As Jorah has told her. As Baristan has told her. Slavery is such a universally deplorable act that people get blinded to her actions. "When my dragons are grown, we will take back what was stolen from me and destroy those who wronged me! We will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground!" -Season 1. Before she faced slavers. Before she knew anything of the lannisters. A power hungry monarch who accomplishes good en route to their goal of world domination is not someone I respect or appreciate

jase
>>149972084

you should really ask yourself why you have no emotional connection to her though, especially considering what’s she’s been through, whether that’s her being abused by her brother all her life, constantly degraded by him, as well as her future husband, whose hands she suffered rape from. the fact you can’t find no empathy for her proves you have some deep rooted biases that you need to consider i’m sorry

NoneOfYourBeeswax
>>149958851

We literally saw wights that had been submerged get up from under the water to drag Tormund under earlier in the episode. Wights can't drown and the lakebed has a surface for them to walk on... I don't see any issue there.

jase
>>149972084

and yet pete, she explicitly said through all those actions that she would never harm innocent people, and the slavers weren’t innocent, whether they agreed with the crucifixion of children or not, they still owned people, that is reason enough for dany to do what she does, and she’s right , they are evil people!! i really don’t want to bring her gender into it but i’m sorry, you clearly have a problem with a woman being that ferocious and it is quite obvious.

Lady Stoneheart (Uncat)
>>149964919

Definitely blame Dave and Dan. Interviewer to Grrm: How as a man, do you write such compelling female characters?" Grrm: "Well...I just write them like they're people." Dave & Dan: "Well...we just kinda forgot AND DC that women are people...so we wrote them like toxic men, cause that's all we know."

selmak13
>>149968258

I am so glad I see people pointing this out. I haven't read the books so going merely off the show, I literally don't see any reason for this dany hate, not on my first watch and not now. Dany is being arrogant and entitled? She has been surrounded the entire time by people who tell her she is the only true rightful leader in every sense, one true queen, and not to mention, the last targaryen, and currently holds the most power with the largest army and 3 dragons. Dany doesn't listen to anyone? Unless I am missing something, she has been one of the few leaders who actively listened to their advisors, and her listening to tyrion in the first place made her lose powerful alliances and a dragon (people blame Jon but it was tyrion's plan in the first place), and there was even a scene a while back with her telling jorah (I think) that her not listening to people made her accomplish more things (rightfully so). Dany is impulsive? The only reason tyrion gave to this is her burning the tarlys. If both tarlys put their pride above the literal existence of their house, why in the world would dany care? She offered them a choice, which was already more than most would do, and the comparison with the mad king because she burned them alive, wasn't there a scene in harrenhal when they said "the only fire that can melt down stone is dragonfire" so logically she gave them a quick death. Dany constantly snapping on tyrion? The only flaw I see is her not replacing him as her hand yet. If ser barriston was alive he would be the better choice, but isnt jorah second best at this point? Tyrion still has allegiance to his family and she sees this. But despite all this, my understanding on the second watch is, the reason we start doubting her is because the writers are feeding it to us through tyrion and varys (2 arguably most intelligent and wise characters we grew to love and trust), and when they started questioning her decisions behind her back, we were also supposed to do it (once again, because we trust their judgement). Still nonsensical to me how tyrion and varys turned on her so suddenly after proclaiming her as potentially the best ruler there will be.

mk

Carter at 2:36 xD Cut from the scene of Tormund talking about Mance's pride to Mance saying "Fuck my pride"

Lydia

I’m sorry but all the “she should be more humble” talk is just ridiculous lol

Mitch

Tyrion deserves to be executed honestly for how many brain dead mistakes he’s made since joining Dany. He single-handedly lost her Dorne, the reach, the greyjoys, the Tyrell’s, 50+ ships, 100s of unsullied and a dragon. Seriously I challenge one of you to name me a SINGLE GOOD IDEA that Tyrion has provided to benefit Dany.

Pete Befi
>>149972084

I honestly cannot imagine how gender plays into this. Having empathy towards someone and agreeing with their actions are 2 completely separate issues. I acknowledge the horrors she endured and still disapprove of execution without trial. Murdering people for following the ways of their ancestors, indisputably bad practices, is still murder. I don’t get behind that. Not every person who lived prior to the abolition of slavery or prior to women’s suffrage or prior to the acknowledgement of sexual orientation was evil. We only know what we know until we know better. I don’t see the justifications for her many dictatorial measures

Kaylee S
>>149952903

Can’t remember when I last read fire and blood but I can’t be bothered to go back look which dragon it was specifically. Pretty sure it was Balerion but I DO remember reading that they refused to cross the wall. My point still stands

mk
>>149977246

The issue is thinking about it for too long. You already planned that out more in your comment than D&D ever did

Leo
>>149981374

So, the decision of dany to make him hand is wrong. How she will become good queen if she don't know how to make correct decisions.

Afra
>>149981374

Actually her naming him hand was the biggest mistake…

Afra
>>149980719

Exactly I think she was humbled all her life tbh

mk
>>149981374

The whole discussion of Tyrion being a "good" or "bad" advisor is voided by the fact that nothing that happens anymore has sensible causes. Whether they lose or win a castle or battle is just random, it just happens because the producers decided that that is what happens. What Tyrion says seems smart, then it does not work just because D&D want yet another round of random subversion of expectations and Tyrion was wrong in hindsight. My point is: don't think about it too much, enjoy the visual spectacle

Domo

Dany got a point you trying to think 10 steps ahead but can’t even get things right in the present. Maybe if you were worrying about tomorrow we wouldn’t be losing all our allies

Nomaan
>>149980719

MY POINTTTT. My girl has been a slave basically all her life, controlled by all the men in her life who didn’t care for her. Once she gets power by doing the most UNIMAGINABLE thing, hatching stone dragons and bringing them back from extinction, I don’t think she has ENOUGH pride actually.

Nomaan

RIGHT. Last time (I doubt) talking about Daenerys needing to be “humble”: “I know that she spent her childhood in exile, impoverished, living on dreams and schemes, running from one city to the next, always fearful, never safe, friendless but for a brother who was by all accounts half-mad... a brother who sold her maidenhood to the Dothraki for the promise of an army. I know that somewhere upon the grass, her dragons hatched, and so did she.I KNOW SHE IS PROUD. HOW NOT? I know she is strong. How not? The Dothraki despise weakness. If Daenerys had been weak, she would have perished with Viserys. I know she is fierce. Astapor, Yunkai and Meereen are proof enough of that. She has survived assassins and conspiracies and fell sorceries, grieved for a brother and a husband and a son, trod the cities of the slavers to dust beneath her dainty sandaled feet." - Tyrion Lannister to Aegon Targaryen, about Daenerys” ― George R.R. Martin, A Dance with Dragons I just don’t think the show did her character justice in portraying everything she went through. They just kinda brush past it and cover it all up with her being “arrogant”.

Kneegrow
>>149977923

Probs brought them from hardhome or some other slain village

Alex

Hot take this is the worst episode of the show, worse than every S8 episode.

Afra

“All Daenerys wanted back was the big house with the red door, the lemon tree outside her window, the childhood she had never known💔” -Grrm

Nomaan
>>149986803

Hate how they removed all of Daenerys’ warmth and personality

DarWeezy

I just love how men bash on a woman’s personality when she disagrees with a man’s opinion. 🙄 No, Dany isn’t perfect. But no one on this show is, including Tyrion & Jon.

MagicSquirrel

It's so difficult, to not feel like your brain has spilled out of your ears when you try to make sense of Season 7 ... and.. that says a lot.. about season 8.. it's even fucking worse.. yikes.

nymeria

the first time im actually a little annoyed here cos why does dany need to be “humbled” and also one of my least favorite ep of the whole show, cinematography couldn’t save this one

TheSauceGuy
>>149958851

I agree with Mr. Wax here lol. I always pictured them being able to walk to some degree under the water.

SirCatelot

Please, Please, Please. Watch Inside the Episode once you start watching season 8, you have to experiance the season 8 in full

TheSauceGuy
>>149983626

RIP Aegon in the show ): But also, I think the humbling experience has to do more with her entitlement rather than denying her previous struggles. Sure, Dany has gone through tons of horrible situations, but she also feels entitled to rule Westeros; burning lords who has surrendered will not help her.

studiogek
>>149972084

Ive explained this many times throughout the course of the show. Ive said multiple times i love what she stands for and a lot of the things she does. I'll explain more in 8x1

creeper doodle
>>149955603

I hope you like the books! Just remember that she is a completely different character in the books!

Leo
>>149986803

How you still like her character if you feel they removed warmth and personality from her.

Nomaan
>>149983626

Well I’m more so talking about carter saying it’s been like this since the earlier seasons. And no, she didn’t burn lords who surrendered, they chose not to follow her after their choice?

SirCatelot

Carter hang in there, it's only going to get worse.

Nomaan
>>149986803

Because despite that she still does good for a lot of people? If anything, her warmth and humour ADD character not take away from her…

Lady Stoneheart (Uncat)
>>149989755

Expressing/displaying vulnerability is different than "being humbled", showing humility, actually. I think Dany shows quite a lot of humility when she seeks counsel, but as far as expressing or displaying as much vulnerability as a person, a human being, a character, it's just not been there for many seasons. Dave & Dan are insecure and don't think vulnerability is compelling, so they don't write characters to display it, and actively sabotage actors (like Lena, Nikolai, and Kit) who are so good at acting, they find a way to convey depth and vulnerability through their characters anyway. Emilia is also brilliant at acting, but her genuine good nature as a person makes it harder for her to rebel against their direction. She is playing one note because she was directed to play one note, and we can find reasons built into the storyline and wordbuilding to justify the character behavior, but it's really bts shenanigans.

Griffin
>>149965697

Tbf, GRRM wanted to be more involved in the last few seasons and they cut him out.

Griffin
>>149965697

I'm sure the series is "finished" but it won't ever get published until after he dies. He doesn't want to deal with inevitable backlash as he can't please everyone

creeper doodle
>>149955701

Here to say that I ALSO recommend David Lightbringer. He's my favorite. Also, if you really wanna get mad, check out Phoenix Ashes. She's doing a series on the differences scene by scene for every season between book and show Dany. She gets a little... passionate about the changes, but I kinda like the anger, because I feel it too.

JJ
>>149977923

you think a wildling outpost or camp anywhere north of the wall would have that many oversized chains?

Griffin

Since I've yet to see someone say it... Blue Eyes Wight Dragon

Icchi
>>149953567

That’s a good analogy, I’ll give you that… 3-4 seasons is nuts tho. Can’t blame people too much for these last 2, got rushed to 1 season during the most crucial time.

JJ

the writing in seasons 6-8 is far worse than the writing they did in seasons 1-4 when they weren’t following the book. people forget they made many changes in the early seasons but were able to create gripping dialogue and nuanced scenes. no clue what the hell happened behind the scenes in the later seasons.

Dreamer

The real villain in this show is Tyrion, not because of ambition but because he cares too much about a family that doesn't like him back.

bateman bookworm

i think you guys are still holding onto the glory of the “wise” characters like varys and tyrion of the past. Bc if u let that go, you see how fucking stupid and hypocritical tyrion is. I recommend reading through all these comments bc i’m not going to regurgitate the talking points, but for me tyrion is the biggest victim of d&d

Afra
>>149988118

I’m sure if dany was a guy no one would say a THING.

Lydia
>>149980719

Yup. that was the worst take in history 💀 Dany should 100% be less humble

JAY

Idk why dany fans get so offended if people don’t love her.. I’m sorry but I agree about her being unlikable… ive felt that way since season 1 my first time watching the show. I understand that she’s been through a lot and I empathize and also agree her backstory is one of the toughest but her attitude sometimes, and her personality overall I just don’t love.. never have.. I just think I really struggle with entitlement.. it’s one of my biggest icks. like name me another character that acts or feels as entitled as dany does. The only ones I can come up with are Cersei, Joffrey, viserys… not the people you want to be on a list with….

Lady Stoneheart (Uncat)

I'm rationing my true vitriol until 7x7, but ... Yup, yall wanna name and shame in the comments, direct it at Dan (neutral evil) Weiss & David (chaotic neutral) Benioff. The true dark triad villains of this franchise. They are both extremely pathetic, insecure, pissant wannabes, whose nepotistic ties should have never granted them access to this property, they only desired to use as a personal fleshlight. I'm hoping to continue to contain myself, but fair warning in next ep. JUST IN CASE 🫠

lololol

I'm a first time watcher (watching with you guys), but I think that the Arya x Sansa scene, although stressful, still makes sense in terms of character motivations. Arya was frustrustated at how Sansa just stood there while Jon was being insulted by his lords + Arya (w/ her trained instincts) felt that Sansa had lingering feelings of wanting to take Jon's place - which further escalated her feelings. I feel like her confrontation with Sansa made sense. I agree that it's dumb to be fighting with each other, but from Arya's perspective, she has doubts with Sansa and her true loyalties. Her threatening to tell the other lords was distasteful but could also help prevent a future struggle between Jon and Sansa for Winterfell as the lords would have no more reason to side with Sansa if they knew about the letter.

JJ
>>149993735

we havent even reached the new tyrion’s worst moment yet 💀

Leo
>>149994107

They hate Jon,Tyrion,Sansa all most everyone but everyone should love her. Hypocrisy.

Shadow
>>149986803

People still like Jon and bro has like no personality at all. They made him just a quiet honorable little good boy. Hes so boring compared to what he could’ve been. All the depth is gone just like Dany. Both are my fav and are done way better in books. D&d needs them to be shallow and follow what they want. Asking how do u like a character could be asked for like all of them now.

bateman bookworm
>>149993735

true but i think for me this was his worst plan TO DATE. The whole thing is contingent on cersei joining them against the undead. The amount to time it would have taken them to go beyond the wall, dany could have taken kings landing in a second. Then u don’t have to go this stupid nonsense of bringing “proof” to cersei💀💀 u would have the armies that they possess. But noooo tyrion and his master plans have now cost them a dragon and given it to the other side. He failed in meereen, failed with danys allies in dorne, high garden, and the iron islands, and he’s once again failed with the white walkers. It’s such a disappointment how he’s become such a hypocrite when in season 2 he had no problem using wildfire to burn stannis’ whole army to protect his family. He still has an attachment to them for no reason and it’s ruined his character

Afra
>>149986803

I was going to write the same thing thank youu 🤣 also with Tyrion he’s pretty boring he just cracks jokes and drinks wine…

TheSauceGuy
>>149980719

Nobody is saying that she hasn't accomplished incredible feats or persisted through horrible situations. Her pride in her accomplishments is fine, but these accomplishments do not give her an inherent right to rule a country she knows little about, especially if she burns whoever doesn't bow down to her. Her advisors, armies, and dragons have also done much of the work for her while she has acted mostly as a figurehead (granted, this isn't abnormal for leaders). While not shown as much in the earlier seasons, she has begun exponentially exhibiting many negative traits associated with Targaryens. Her arrogance, entitlement, and poor temper are examples of this and they're tiring to hear in her conversations.

JJ
>>149993735

bringing proof to cersei is a bad plan. I still think his “plan” in the darkest shot episode ever is worse lol

TheSauceGuy
>>149994901

The "blame game" doesn't make sense and their conversations come across as petty childish bickering. While I think D&D undermined both Arya and Sansa's characters, the latter has at least shown much more meaningful change; Arya has just learned to kill people, pick locks, and be sneaky lol.

kami

This episode is so bad that I don't even have the energy to say anything bad about it.

Eliana Ayala

I didn't realize how cringe this is episode was but now watching it a third time I'm like yikes!

Anton Sakshaug

I feel you Carter😂 this shit is so wack not gonna lie. Just looking at you during this episode makes me laugh so hard

Lydia
>>149980719

I hear your opinion I just disagree that she has been arrogant or shown negative traits at this point. (temper aside, imo a temper doesn’t necessarily harm anyone if it’s not coupled with negative actions. also her temper is aimed at evil men and incompetent ones and many characters have also shown this in got when advisors end up wrong). I think she has a pretty accurate sense of her importance, not an inflated one. Also saying she is entitled is correct in a sense that this verse has heirs. And by the rules, she is entitled to Westeros. Does that mean that just cause you’re heir you should rule? No but that’s how heirs are brought up 🤷🏽‍♀️ if I was heir and had 3 dragons id take it all immediately as many others in her position would have but she bided her time and attempted to learn what ruling is first. Can’t say that for many in GOT

Amna 🍉
>>149994901

But Sansa DID defend Jon, she told them that he's the King in the North and he's doing what's best for the North.

Arthur Fields

I'm going to play devil's advocate here for a minute. Is it really that far fetched for Arya to distrust Sansa's loyalty to the family? Remember what happened after Arya's wolf attacked Joffrey. Sansa lied, betrayed Arya, and claimed she didn't see what really happened. It was clearly self defense when Arya cut Joffrey's face, but as Joffrey was swinging his sword at Arya, Sansa was yelling at Arya to stop. She didn't tell him not to hurt her sister. Arya was protecting her friend (the butcher's boy), protecting herself, and protecting her wolf. Sansa was protecting Joffrey. What sucks is that Bran probably could have cleared all this up right away. I've watched this episode so many times but this is the first time I looked at it from this perspective. I didn't like the way the series ended, but every time I rewatch it, I get a little less angry. And sometimes more angry when other people's observations point out something stupid that I didn't notice before.

Shadow
>>149986803

Yea definitely him to. I think after s4 Tyrion is damn near insufferable and he’s one of my absolute fav grrm and early season characters 😂 but I remember on my first watch clinging to my love for him. I love/hate almost every character this point in the show

Myles
>>149956781

bruh they said this the worst episode so far… they haven’t seen anything yet

Afra
>>149986803

I feel it! I need to ask you something but i don’t think i can ask it here

Socorro Viernes

You could never make me hate Daenerys sorry 🤷‍♀️

GreetswithJudgement
>>149986803

Honestly this is why I never had GOT in my top five shows. Kudos to those who do and will! The one thing that makes any show special are the characters. You can have perfection everywhere else but the characters are the heart of the show. GOT characters are just …one dimensional, idiotic, heartless and predictable. It’s not just Dany (who I believe suffers the most from it) but it is also Jon and everyone else. First time watching GOT I had no favorite characters because they all seemed one dimensional to me. Second time watching GOT I still have no favorite characters because they are all still one dimensional to me. Nothing is going on with them but at the same time everything is going on with them? I guess. It’s a weird accomplishment by D&D to have a great cast of actors and do nothing with them.

Nanashi
>>149980719

How is someone being less humble a good thing. She absolutely needs humility with the people closest to her. What an absurd take

Nanashi
>>149972084

Why do woman always have to bring gender into it, such a superficial victim mentality stance to take

Lydia
>>149980719

I said what I said. Agree to disagree 🤷🏽‍♀️ I believe she had humility with her closest people. That doesn’t mean she can’t put them in their places. I don’t think she did it enough

Socorro Viernes
>>149972084

I agree him and Jack are always making faces whenever she's on screen and it kinda irks me because they're always the harshest on her character which I don't get

ssj4rit
>>149988118

@Nanashi dw, some Dany fans can't handle criticism so instead of confronting it they just assume anyone critiquing her is a misogynist, even though lots of GoT fans (including men) would list women (especially in early seasons) as some of their favorite characters.

yio
>>149977923

LMAO like Cannon said, I'm just coping at this point

NoneOfYourBeeswax
>>149962016

Scared? Why? This is a reaction channel and we sure are going to get reactions in Season 8... I'm licking my lips in anticipation; it should be awesome!

Shadow
>>149972084

I’m not a women but they definitely bring up some valid points. Dany is without a doubt treated differently than other characters by the fandom…and the showrunners

Uros Vesic

I really enjoyed this fight in the North. Yeah, most of the things make no sense, whole Winterfell plot was dumb. But that part, I enjoyed it.

Shadow
>>149986803

Just so u could ask whatever u wanted to. U could message me thru there

r stark

jon turning just as he’s about to get on drogon to fight a wight 15 feet away will never not piss me off 😭😭 that is NOT jon snow, that’s D&D’s creation. the real jon snow in the books is still a goat

Afra
>>149986803

Im so lost rn 😭 i hope i don’t sound dumb but is that an app or something else you can do here ?

jason
>>149972084

@Nanashi, i’m not a woman , i just have eyes and anyone with them can see that carter and jack be making faces and little comments anytime she comes on screen. jacks hate feels more forced than carter. cuz jack never had a problem with her until season 4 when carter made it more a apparent he doesn’t like her.

Shadow
>>149986803

Yea it is another app sorry😂 just a lot of people use it and gek has a community on it. But it’s pretty difficult and confusing to use for someone new.

bob

You could just feel how hard Maisie and Sophie were trying to make that wack ass script work lol. I can accept in theory how Arya and Sansa can still be petty bickering sisters, but D&D just can't write dialogue as good as George, especially when the conversation stretches on. And they're so eager to sneak in a clever quip or call back in every interaction, it's groan inducing. Every character is starting to feel like watered down Hollywood/Straight to DVD Movie versions of themselves. 🥲 uh don won et

Afra
>>149986803

Okay you can delete I took a screenshot thank you :)

Shadow
>>149994107

Bro what? Is it cuz I said that Jon has the survival instincts of a hamster this episode?😂😂 I’m a hugeeee Jon fan I just don’t have to put other characters down to express that. Like I don’t think u understand. Jon is quite literally one of my fav characters in all of fiction. I promise I’ve spent more time with his content and thinking about him than u have. Literally the background of one of my monitors in front of me rn💀 u just take any chance to slander Dany. It’s weird… I’d seem more neutral if it wasn’t for Jon fans like u and the overall handling of her

I❤️movies&tvshows
>>150001414

The butchers boy had his face cut. Arya was not hurt. She hit Joffrey in the back with her stick. Then the wolf bit Joffreys arm. But I agree with your other comments

Nomaan

Mind you, none of this discourse about Dany would really be an issue if they just stuck to the books or at least kept danys dreams and visions. No one would dislike her in the meeting with Jon cos she doesn’t even need to be convinced the White Walkers exist cos she already knows. I feel like the show tried really hard to portray Jon as the main hero against the WW when in the books, it’s MULTIPLE characters who are linked and are going to play a big role.

Shadow
>>150009577

Dany was literally born to burn the others. Thats her true fight. She been dreaming about it from book 1😂

Nanashi
>>149988118

Right lol. I've been pointing mistakes in men too so I guess I'm also a misandrist, or I just hate everyone since no one can be rightfully criticized

Leo
>>150009577

Don't talk about the books. GRRM said books are different and show is different. We are watching show and they are reacting to show. So, they will judge the characters based on show.

NoneOfYourBeeswax
>>149972084

Dany has absolutely no ability to burn Qarth; she had the ragged remnants of a Khalassar that couldn't have stood up to anyone, and three baby dragons. Making a threat without having the means to carry it out was just petulance. The Masters she executed were literal slavemasters who brutally crucified innocents. Their guilt was self-evident, they didn't need a trial to prove it. "As Jon has told her". She listened to Jo, took his advice and did not go and kill the innocent people of King's Landing. "As Tyrion told her". Yes, Tyrion - the mastermind behind the massacre on the Blackwater was now telling her to win a war without killing anyone. She was right to ignore him. " As Jorah has told her. As Barristan has told her." Jorah and Barristan were both giving her conflicting advice. She really can't win with this one, can she? "We will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground!" - mere rhetoric that she never followed through with. She always listened to her advisors and moderated her intemperate outbursts - how many cities has she actually "burned to the ground" thus far? I make it zero. "A power hungry monarch..." She has only ever said she wanted the power to make things better, she has never lusted after power for it's own sake. "...who accomplishes good en route to their goal of world domination" - I think you're getting a bit carried away now Pete, you're criticising her for things she never said or did... or perhaps I've just forgotten the part where she evinced a hunger for "world domination" - if so I entreat you to point out just where I missed that. Not to put too fine a point on it, but your criticisms of the Khaleesi seem based in something other than fact. Just what that "other" is... well, I couldn't possibly say...

Shadow
>>150009577

Cool. Anyways did yall know in the books Jon also has a really crazy dream about fighting the others where he has a flaming sword and black ice armor. Dany also has a dream where’s she’s lifts the helm to a person in black armor to see herself. It’s cool to see how much better the parallels of our two main hero’s are handled

Nomaan
>>150009577

I’ll talk about the book characters if I like lol. Some of the Geks have mentioned the books a couple of times as well in both GOT and HOTD. This is GEORGE’S story so I’ll talk about it if I want😂

Nanashi
>>149980719

Everything has to be balanced of course. You can't be a ruler and a goody two shoes. She isn't the perfect queen and the show tells us that multiple times, being less humble would diminish that even more. She basically has all the power but needs to choose how to use it as for not to become exactly what she says she despises all this time. As we know she has good heart but due to circumstances she's growing impatient and temperamental, with of course bad council around her. SPOILER DON'T READ FURTHER DOWN Her story is not one of downfall solely because of her undoings but also because of circumstances. It would've never been a perfect ending but she let all the impatience and hatred build up and power took over. She isn't showing these signs that people "complain about" only because of bad writing, I'm sure GGRM will go a very similar route but with much much better writing. Instead of sudden flip it will be a process looming in the background that when it finally happens it will be devastating for its inevitability. Won't be as good but the perfect example of a similar although very different character route would be Eren, when he does the rumbling it was inevitable and although you didn't want it to happen it makes perfect sense for things to end this way, with hints of this unforgivable decision making being obvious and sprinkled throughout the series.

Kacie Mills

I think the hardest part of watching these last seasons was the fact that the fan theories were so much better than the actual show lol.

bob

The dialogue is starting to "hold your hand" through everything. And that's what feels so off now. It's cringe because it kind of treats the audience like it's stupid. The "you wouldn't survive what I survived" thing with Arya/Sansa has always been a common sentiment among viewers who appreciated both of their characters, and they know that. The "Tyrion is an unconventional hero" has always been what made him so universally appealing, and they know that. It all feels like a waste of dialogue to repeat this all back to us what we already gleaned through the good story telling that was built up from S1-4. This way, things start to feel a bit like a circlejerk. It's all telling now, no showing. Every character has to remark how Jon/Dany look at each other instead of showing us their chemistry, characters around them must now become puppets to tell the audience how we should feel. They no longer feel like real people interacting.

Leo
>>149994107

I'm not talking about jon here. You are a Dany fan and criticizes everyone except dany and acts like neutral. accept that

Lydia
>>149980719

I agree with pretty much everything you said. Now if we’re talking impatient and temperament I would have to agree with you. And honestly her being less humble was not said with 100% seriousness on my part, I was just emphasizing that she could have been much more arrogant and entitled imo. But would that make her a better ruler of course not. I do feel tho that alot of these complaints come after she checks Tyrion or the rest of her council on their duties which she 100% has the right to do. I feel like saying she should be more humble in response to that makes no sense

Shadow
>>149994107

U literally said Jon in your comment. And now are talking about me trying to “act”(I just am - they are my fav 2) neutral on Dany and JON . You’re just a weird Dany hater who takes every chance he can to say something slight about it. I can’t even say criticisms for her cuz then people like u tag on. Just go glaze Jon in your own thread and I’ll probs join u

jason
>>149994107

@leo you do realise you can be both a dany and a jon fan right? i was in the first 6 seasons, i liked them both equally but the last two seasons i like dany more than jon cuz she has more brain cells than he does especially in this season .

Shadow
>>149994107

Leo doesn’t understand that. He saw me be postive on Dany and just put me in that category when in reality I’m probs a bigger Jon fan then him💀 he thinks the only people that support Dany are haters of everything else with unfounded criticisms Like Leo bro u have been spoiling stuff for almost 4 seasons trying to argue for Jon and against Dany and wonder why Dany fans stand up or fans of both like me have to defend one more then the other

Pulse rifles suck in pve

watching mckay trying to hold it in about how cheesy this show gets is wild

jason
>>149994107

lol i like both fan base but the ones that are just glazers think that dany and jon can do no wrong are the ones that need to go outside and touch grass. especially jon glazers I’m sorry y’all need to put down dany to praise your glorious king jon snow💀

Jaime

at least you only spent months on this show (and got paid), we waited years for scraps 🥲

Leo
>>149994107

Shadow, I think you got triggered 😂😂. I clearly said I'm not talking about jon. Leave jon out of our conversation. I'm talking about you for being critical about everyone but not dany and acts like neutral. 🤷

Shadow
>>149994107

Yea and I’m just saying that’s how u see it as a Jon glazer and Dany hater. That is “Netural” to you. U are projecting this warped view that u have onto me. The one that only glazes one character and hates on others at any possible moment is you… just look at your comments on Dany this reaction. It’s weird

Leo
>>149994107

Jason, if Dany had brain cells especially in this season she would have removed Tyrion as hand. What brain cells you are talking about 😂😂. Tell these stories(like I'm fan of both characters) to someone who believe you blindly. If you are fan of both you criticize both not only one.

Amna 🍉
>>150001414

I always hate when people blame sansa bc in the next episode ned literally explains to arya why sansa behaved that way and what was expected of her. Not only that but I would argue that Arya hitting the King's son was even more stupid. Sansa did the best she could in that situation, idk if they mention it in the show, but the books also mention how Sansa had ben drinking wine so her not remembering could also be kinda true. Sansa clearly regrets ever trusting Cersei and Joffrey in the first place and has grown up since then so Arya still using that event to come at her sister doesn't make sense. Not to mention, Book Arya would do anything to reunite with her siblings, including Sansa. She thought about how she would beg for forgiveness and "act like a lady" to make Sansa happy. Is crazy to me how characters have done worse things but people just simply cannot move on or forgive season 1 Sansa. I guess D&D are to be blamed for that

ken
>>149986803

Calling GOT characters one dimensional is a brain dead take lol

Pete Befi
>>149972084

Someone who thinks their vision of the world is the correct vision is an incredibly dangerous person. I’m not a book reader, but I’ve watched the show 50x through. The teacher in Meereen who was technically a slave but was beloved by the children he served and then begged to return to his master, did that slave owner seem like a bad person? Hizdahr’s father who fought and argued against slavery was a bad person? Her most trusted advisor through the majority of the show literally sold slaves and was only able to now help her because Ned stark didn’t do precisely what Dany did. I don’t know if people have a preconceived notion of what Dany should or could be, but her words and actions throughout the show are not that of a good person. She’s against slavery. That’s her only redeeming quality.

Amna 🍉

Having Arya blame Sansa for Ned's death will always be CRAZZZZZY

Sanji

DID CANNON GET A MULLET? Take that cap off bro I need to see

Shadow
>>149994107

You literally take so many chances to discredit only Dany. Every single reaction muitple times 😂

Leo
>>149994107

Shadow, I accept it I'm not a neutral. I think everyone who follows my comments (if there is any) knows about it. In every episode I only comment about jon. If I didn't like someone on that episode I will comment about them. But you as I said earlier ACTS as a neutral.

Nanashi
>>149972084

@jason I think Carter's dislike toward her is warranted, and he has explained why. He had a problem with her before because she was too on the nose which I agree, now she's just a shell of her character like everyone else so most criticisms are warranted

Nanashi
>>150013256

He should talk more, I think it's the first monologue I've heard from him lol

selmak13
>>150015371

I'm having a hard time to believe that none of these siblings talked about what they have been through while separated when they reunited, so now all of a sudden we have arya blaming sansa for the things she did years ago lol Oh and I also like how everyone forgot Rickon was even alive

Amna 🍉
>>150015371

Right?? Like why are Arya and Sansa not asking Bran more questions. I would be going crazy trying to know everything. Why did Arya and Sansa not share their trauma, they just ended the convo with "it wasn't a happy journey". Despite them not sharing, I still don't think Arya would be blaming Sansa. Like that is just so crazy to me. Especially when they both witnessed Ned getting beheaded. Sansa was doing what she thought would save Ned and it would have if Joffrey wasn't so sadistic. Even Cersei didn't want Ned dead. I could literally go and on about this😭

Ayaulym🇰🇿
>>149964919

They love pitting women against each other. I wouldn’t say that there isn’t a bit of sexism/misogyny in the hate that these girls get (because some people criticize them for the same decisions they prase male characters like being a but ruthless and not necessarily polite) BUT of course 95% is the writing. They make them lose all of their additional qualities that are present in the books and just turn them into caricatures of themselves. It seems like a weird attempt to “girlboss” that actually ends up sabotaging the characters. One of the few characters that was able to remain relatively consistent is Cersei. She is ruthless, cunning, impulsive, stupid and a caring mother at all at the same time. Though, I have to admit she is less crazier and impulsive than before. You would’ve expected her to have done more by becoming the LITERAL QUEEN. But her impact to the overarching theme has been weirdly small. And again, she seems way too calm for me. Especially knowing how she is in the books Other female characters were even less fortunate. I especially hate what was done to Sansa and Arya (if we take into account only season 7, because including season 8 would change the conversation). They feel empty. Their motivations contradict their actions and their past experiences. They feel like completely new characters to me. Moreover, I hate to be that person 🧍‍♀️ BUT sometimes acting seems a bit all over the place. Though, I don’t blame them, the script must’ve been awful. With Dany it’s a bit different. Yes, they definitely butchered her but I would say she is currently relatively consistent with her previous seasons (worse, but not THAT much). The problem with Dany is how everyone around her, specifically her advisors treat her. As if we as an audience should see that Dany is making mistakes by being a bit ruthless and egoistic. Even though, she did almost everything her advisors have told her in the beginning. Seems she is following the exact route that she did in every nation before BUT for some reason now we are SUPPOSED to judge her. I already talked in length about Tyrion’s hypocrisy but the same thing extends Varys (who was never shy of dirtying his hands before). The only thing that makes Dany’s arc in this season bearable and not noticeably poor is Emilia’s acting. I feel like she was THE strongest actor of this season. And Brienne is just a bit… dull. Even though she was always this knight archetype before, she still had her inner turmoils. She had her opinions and struggle that went beyond the “I am not as womanly as other ladies”. As the seasons went through her presence became smaller and smaller to the point where she barely appears in this season

Shadow
>>149994107

You sound like the comments that were trying to put words in carters mouth and interpret his reaction for themselves. As I said I am indeed neutral. It’s just Dany gets the most unfounded and misplaced hate. If people were being disingenuous about it Jon at the same level u would see me defending him. Like I have before. U just can’t believe I’m neutral cuz I like Dany, stand up for her, and she scares such a Jon glazer as yourself. And u keep telling me to not bring up Jon but we are having a discussion about being neutral about Dany and JON. So me bringing him up to support my “neutrality” makes sense. They are my 2 fav so it’s easy to see how the fandom treats them differently

jason
>>149994107

leo i have criticised both characters this episode don’t believe then scroll up, since your so bothered by who’s neutral and not. and like i said she has more brain cells than jon this season cuz jon didn’t get on the dragon , dany lost one of her dragons to the night king putting them at a massive disadvantage also the next episode ill explain why he keeps loosing brain cells and i have said in a previous comments i would’ve removed tyrion if he was my hand and i didn’t like how dany didn’t respect jon as king of the north, just accept your a jon glazers there’s nothing to be ashamed about😂

Matthew

This arc capturing the wight should’ve been over 2-3 episode mixed in with other stories, the season needed to be 10 episodes. I still enjoyed it but it just obviously didn’t make sense. Shame 😆. Plus the Arya stuff is some of the worst parts of the whole series.

Pete Befi
>>149972084

If you judge people on cultural generalities and not on an individual basis, your character deserves questioning. There’s no debating whether or not Dany does that

Matthew
>>150017739

I didn’t like the reactions between the new fellowship, but that could’ve been fleshed out and delivered better over 2-3 eps

jason
>>149972084

bro i was rewatching their reaction cuz i mourning the peak era of GoT and i’m telling man. carter never liked her. season 1 he was saying he didn’t care much of her storyline , season 2 which is valid cuz i felt the same he found her acting like viserys. season 3 which was probably one of her best seasons and where she gained fans , he didn’t give her flowers and was saying it’s all the dragons when she gained the unsullied. like im pretty sure i even remember sean saying he didn’t like her but that scene was epic. and you know how the rest goes. idk i just always notice he always found something to hate on when it came to her.

Leo
>>149994107

Jason, what is there to accept. I'm jon stan unlike you who says I like both characters and adds but,if next to that. And talking about brain cells she lost dorne and iron born armies in this season 😂😂. Don't blame it on Tyrion. Dany approved his idea. And who tf will not attack king's landing when they had four powerful armies. She don't even need dragons. I will talk more about her from S8E1.

Broski McBrosef

I feel like this is one of the worst episodes in the whole show 😭

Leo
>>149994107

Shadow, when it is about Dany it is unfounded and misplaced hate but for others that is not the case. Wow. Super. I'm again saying don't act like neutral. There is no need for that. If you love someone openly do it. Don't do it under the mask of neutral.

Shadow
>>149994107

Yes. Dany does indeed have some misplaced and unfounded hate. I never would say it all is. As I’ve said in this very reaction she is very shallow, stripped of much her good aspects, and framed in a certain light. But people hate on so much they wouldn’t for other characters. The reason I can see this is because Jon and Dany are by far my 2 favorite and the 2 I’ve spent the most time thinking and watching stuff on. I’m completely neutral on the Jon vs Dany shi that people like u gorge yourself on. I’m a huge fan of just the ASOIAF world itself. I can see how some people treat them differently.

bob

Brig to your question on what other way was it even possible for them to have escaped the situation, I get you, but what the writers could have done is not even make up a situation where an impossible solution was the only solution... and then make it happen anyways. Especially when deus ex machina's of that magnitude were never a thing in GoT before. Like yes everything could be resolved if Hotpie had a Glock to no diff the Night King, but that's not the world they live in. (sorry for the comment spamming I'm watching in like 20 min intervals 🫡)

Leo
>>149994107

Ok. I'm leaving it here. It was fun thanks to you. Now it is boring. I think we will meet again as you have to work hard to defend Dany from here on.

MateoP

D&D really fucked this show raw 😭🤣

MateoP

yes deanerys attitude is shit 🤣

Shadow
>>149994107

Bro u are insufferable when it comes to anything Jon or Dany lmao. First comment of yours I saw was u spoiling the end of Danys story. In the same reaction comment section brig got spoiled in. So ik u can’t wait

Brett
>>150001414

Yea, but Arya and Sansa just reunited so Arya has no clue if Sansa regrets what happened or even played a role in it. Last time Arya saw Sansa she was standing with the enemy. Then, she reads that letter that she wrote. What else is she supposed to think. How is it "crazy", they havn't seen each other since Season 1 so how would they have anything else to go off? (I agree the writing is horrible in the fact you would think Bran, Arya, Sansa would have sat together and discussed everything but that's D&D for you.)

Kyōjurō Rengoku

You guys watched it since april. Imagine us who watch it for nearly 10 years, it was like you was happily married with a beautiful wife for a decade she was kind, caring and loyal, and then she turned Schizo out of nowhere.... depressing times when s7-8 came out. Its like i have to open up a healed wound watching this lmao

Lady Stoneheart (Uncat)
>>150020350

Yes, how the writers could have written themselves out of a first draft scenario is ... obvious ... if you're a 4th grader doing a book report 💀

Icchi
>>150001414

Arya isn’t serious at all, as we’ll find out next episode… so you don’t have anything to hold against her. I’m assuming you forgot.

bob
>>150024990

aye what's wrong with schizos 😔 (but yes)

Nomaan
>>149994107

Goodness not this back and forth😂 but yes shadow it’s best to ignore him. He loves to ignore anything reasonable u have to say about Dany so theres no point. Let’s just leave it at that 😭

CoLdBITeR

My least favorite episode, some of the main cast should have died at the end. Arya being ridiculous, little finger becoming pathetic. 😮‍💨

Brett
>>149954536

It was my impression that she is still "no one". Yes, she says "A girl is Arya Stark and I'm going home" but then a wink and nod from Jaqen H'ghar. It was my impression that she had completed her training and could now go back to westeros while still working for the many face god. Idk i could be wrong.

Brittany (Ultraanimegirl4)

Jon's there fighting and yelling leave, dude the dragon bus is waiting for your ass XD

Renaldo Allard

George R Martin didn’t finish the books yet they stop using source material and started going there own route and you can easily tell that his version are way better than what they trying to give us

Leo
>>149994107

Nomaan, when did I ignored your comments regarding dany? 🤔 Maybe I might've missed some comments

Leo

GRRM's 76th birthday. Feeling sad for the People who still believes he will finish the books

Renaldo Allard

Told ya John snow Carried the show and is the most likable character they building him up so much he has the respect of everyone even Danny now he truly gets better every episode

Amna 🍉
>>150027931

that's bc we also didn't get book Dany. We never got Dreamer Dany. She's aware that there's a threat beside the iron throne

Lady Stoneheart (Uncat)
>>150020350

In case it's misconstrued by the geks ... this is a totally high EQ sarcastic comment ... referencing the wonderful David Benioff saying in regards to writing criticism that "themes are for fourth grade book reports". WRITE A SECOND DRAFT DAVE

Mss Lee

oh my god why are y'all intent on asking questions of logic and continuity while watching a show about dragons and white walkers

Sean Carroll
>>150028508

Literally the dumbest comment on this thread. Logic still needs to apply for human characters. If Jon just flew out of the icy lake and flew back to the wall would you question it or not? Or maybe is he found a jet pack on the ice and flew back using the jet pack would that make sense or not? Yes there are fantasy elements but that doesn’t mean that human elements don’t need to be followed either

Sean Carroll
>>150027931

Dude literally was the reason the dragon died and everyone else almost died. Jon snow is a failure as a character after season6

Sean Carroll

Haven’t had a chance yet but will absolutely tear this ep to pieces in a few hours. So busy today

Sean Carroll
>>150024990

I said in an earlier reaction that season 7 was like your wife starting to become a bitch and then season 8 is like her having an orgy with 10 dudes and filming it and forcing you to watch it after

Sean Carroll

“Goddamn it I want a white walker polar bear” Dumb and dumber literally said this

Sean Carroll
>>150017739

White walker capture should never have happened as it was literally pointless in the end as Jon stupidly didn’t lie to Cersei just to gain her army and even though she was never going to help Jon wouldn’t have known that. The whole white walker mission was an absolute waste of time and did nothing for the story except cause Dany to lose a dragon

Brittany (Ultraanimegirl4)

At a certain part you gotta start thinking of GOT as a comedy and not taking it too seriously or else you'll be depressed XD

ssj4rit
>>150028508

You can write a fantasy story that respects its internal logic, wtf is this comment even

ssj4rit
>>150027439

Yeah in the books Euron is actually a threat, the horn still matters, Dorne was actually kinda interesting (way better than the show), and also Tyrion, Varys and Littlefinger aren’t dumbified

lola

Night King: Javelin Olympic Gold medalist 😭

lola
>>150031923

if anything good came out of these seasons, it was definitely the memes 🤣💀 I miss this era hahahaha

lola
>>150017739

this is a spoiler… u should delete. Don’t assume they’ve seen the next ep.

lola
>>150011512

YES! Exactly… that’s what it is!! The handholding! Before, a lot of the dialogue was like metaphorical or they would always say things that had double meanings but only the audience really knew. Now they just basically explain what’s going to happen, what each character is thinking out loud, nothing is really left up to interpretation, it’s annoying to say the least.

lola
>>150011223

Or the countless YT videos people were making on how the show SHOULD’VE ended. They were just so much smarter 😭

lola

“We’ve invested so many months into these characters”… 😭 some of us spent 8 YEARS just for us to get to these finale episodes. You’re one of the lucky ones I promise 🥲

lola

Am I the only one who absolutely HATED the fact that Jon bent the knee to Danaerys when this was still airing?? I’ve made my peace with it now but it literally made my blood boil that he would just give her his throne that easily especially knowing how proud the Northern lords were and how much Jon went through to get the respect they gave him by naming him King in the North. Pissed me off like nothing else. 😭

lola
>>150035539

Alright I’m gonna stop going on tangents 🚶‍♀️

David J

Please watch the penguin guys🙏

kami
>>150028508

I think this is the worst argument to justify inconsistencies in shows

Daniella

I think the biggest difference between seasons 1-4 and 5-8 is now instead of show don't tell, it's now just solely telling if that makes sense. There's no more details hidden between the lines/dialouge especially season 7 and 8, the writers rely on stuff the cool stuff that's happened before in order to carry the story because they've written the rest of the story to be so short. It was very obvious in the different character interactions e.g. Gendry and the brotherhood this episode. BUT i've seen this show WAY too many times to hate anymore, if I don't laugh then my brain will turn to peas :) also justice for viserion 😭

Timmy Turner
>>150028508

Just because you don’t like to use your brain doesn’t mean we don’t

Tieland
>>149953567

When I see the comments it's ALWAYS more than that though. They complain to the point of trying to steer others to feel and think the way they do and it's nuts. I say they should just stop watching the show and the reactions and find another hobby. 🤣🤣🤣

Goat

i remember first time watching it and being so frustrated with Jon lol the most contrived and stupid way to lose a dragon 🤦

jrnoodles

Thanks Geks! Can I just say, this is the most consecutive sentences I've heard Mckay say, ever. I want more.

Daenerys Targaryen
>>149950649

Yup, watch the video that Camilla above shared. Kit says it in an interview and that D&D are sadistic people... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9F6LPWrsIA

darist
>>149981374

Tyrion would've been an excellent choice for a hand if it was Tyrion from the first 4 seasons. It's not her fault D&D turned him into an idiot

Goat

Also, geks, PLEASE don't think any of the characters in seasons 1-4, ESPECIALLY Dany, were how Martin wrote them. Some of them may come pretty close to the books, but Dany is very different in the show, even in the early seasons. People have said it a million times but i hope you will eventually see it. Dany in the books feels warmer and more human than she's ever been in the show (I adore Emilia Clarke tho)

Lady Stoneheart (Uncat)
>>149956781

he probably won't leave the room, people would eat him alive in the comments saying "this dramatic stage play act is over the top", as if the gig economy hasn't developed an entire thing called ✨REACTION✨ CONTENT that they're literally PONYING UP to watch at the moment.

Kite

"We can defend those can't defend themselves" bro is dropping Oaths 🧐

SodaGhost
>>149988118

What do you mean? It's bad writing that is at fault here, every character has become way dumber than they were before? It has nothing to do with gender, tyrion, dany, jon, all have become soulless husks of what they used to be

SodaGhost
>>149968463

I don't think that is what they said. They said it was weird how she at the same time says she is glad tyrion is her hand even though tyrion has had the worst ideas, and dany knows he has had the worst ideas, so why is she saying she is happy to have him as a hand even though tyrion hasn't given any reasons as to why he would be a good hand? It's all just bad writing

A_Daddy Daichi
>>150009577

Leo, I actually like hearing about the books. They’re not spoiling *the show* so why can’t they talk about the books? Lmao

Thina

The Targaryen girl that tried to fly over the wall was Queen Alysanne (sister/husband to King Jaehaerys). She was visiting the wall and her dragon (Silverwing) refused to go over.

A_Daddy Daichi

First of all, I don’t remember the convo with Sansa and Arya being that long 😂 the reaction from you guys was so funny Really sucks rewatching and seeing my top 2 favorite characters (Tyrion and Arya) not being written well at all & I didn’t really see that on first watch The throwing rocks on the ice PISSED ME OFF on first watch & still does. Why would he do that? WTF? Yeah unfortunately that scene of Jon overlooking the walkers at the very top with the music starting was cringe. Sigh The dragons coming in was very cool though The writers could have still killed Viserion after Jon got on Drogon instead of standing there like wtf. Poor Viserion 😭 Oh the mysterious chains…. Gotta love those chains!

A_Daddy Daichi

The snapped on that coat for Dany though omg

Kite

this episode has some Mickey Mouse moments

A_Daddy Daichi

Don’t make Benjen say “there’s no time” for him to get on a horse with Jon and not have the wights swarm him immediately 😭 so stupid. they wasted his character

Ophelia

One huge positive about this show is the visuals (when it’s not too dark). It never fails to be beautiful visually imo and I greatly appreciate that. It feels like watching magic sometimes. I mean.. at the end of the day we are. From the dragons and fire, to real life landscapes that many of us will never see IRL. It’s such a visually stunning show. I’ll never get tired of the visuals

DCorvs

CARTER! OWN the disgusted look. It's how so many of us felt during the SIGNIFICANT decline in the slow. It has decent moments, but the show started insanely good. After waiting years for each new season, this is the shit we got. Don't let anyone tell you how to react lmao tf

Dakota

You guys are slowly getting to the point of feeling how the rest of us felt. The first 5, maybe six, seasons of this show were so good, and this season isnt bad, i'll say it again, its just SO rushed. Instead of 7 fucking episodes (excuse my language), they could have done more and fleshed it out. And then season 8 is only 6 episodes. We were scammed, honestly. Such a fumble by D&D.

PST3
>>150035539

What have the Northern lords have done to be proud bunch of useless twats. They have always been part of the kingdom until recently and those years have been the worst.

R
>>150028508

u gota be high writing this

RJysn

I love how danaerys is seen as this dummy when talking about heroes being dumb, and Jon legit goes and does the exact same thing she said was dumb

mari

Now that you're nearing the end of the GoT series, can you start to give us some House of the Dragon comparison comments? I'm curious how traits that make a character like Daemon interesting and charismatic make Dany "unlikable" in your eyes. Is it just the writing? Or is it because this show also features other houses, like the Starks, and the way they embody power is different?

ShadowCat

Omg I'm dying 🤣 Carters face during this episode is the perfect personification of everyone's internal feelings when these episodes were airing lol Things are just so rushed this season, we literally have no time for our emotions and thoughts to process before they're moving on to another big thing.

Nathan

From here on out the only decent episode left is 8-3. And only because of the sheer grit in it in my opinion. You'll be left with more to desire no doubt.

Richie Sour

I haven’t rewatched this show and seeing it now? My gosh this episode is so much worse than I remember

Sean Carroll

Genuinely trash episode, 5th worst episode in the show for me (with worst 4 in season 8). Rating: 2/10 Only positive is the night king always looks cool in any scene he is in. Now all the negatives

Sean Carroll

Negatives: I’m going to make my comments based on the fact Brig confirmed that you’ve seen the season 7 finale Tormund: tormund says that mance was a proud man who never bent the knee and because of that the wildlings have died due to this decision. Well actually tormund I’m not sure if you have amnesia from 2 seasons ago but mance actually said “fuck my pride” to Jon and literally sacrificed himself so that the wildlings wouldn’t be forced into stannis army and then be sent to winterfell to help fight the boltons. If anything mance’a sacrifice saved wildlings lives and Jon is the one tormund should be mad about considering all the people at hardhome that joined Jon helped in the battle resulting in many deaths. None of what tormund just said is true or makes sense. Fuck dumb and dumber for coming up with this nonsense. Arya: Arya begins to antagonise Sansa over the scroll she found and says things like she would have let them kill her before she did the lannisters bidding. Well clearly Arya has amnesia because remember in seasonn 2 when she worked as tywins cupbearer? Yeah Arya is either forgetful or just plain lying or maybe it’s dumb and dumbers bad writing. Meanwhile Sansa decides to take credit for winning the battle of the bastards. Actually Sansa, because of your stupidity in season 6 more men died in the battle then was ever required, you brought the vale in at the last minute to claim the win. Jon was only going to die because of your stupidity. I’m genuinely surprised Sansa wasn’t executed for treason or locked in jail. Dany: Tyrion says that Dany has a tendency to lose her temper… how does he know this? Given they met for 2 episodes in season 5 and then not again until late season 6 where she killed the masters, Tyrion has no reason to genuinely think this. The only reason she has been getting mad at him all season is because of tyrions stupidity they lost the Greyjoys, the Tyrell’s and the dornish. Killing randyl Tarly is absolutely not due to her “losing her temper”. God this writing feels so forced by dumb and dumber. As people know I can’t stand Dany as a character but Tyrion makes no sense at all in this scene much like he has not made sense since season 5. Carter is absolutely right, Dany both praises Tyrion and shuts him down in the same scene, why did she make him her hand of the queen considering she only knew him for like 3 episodes and he was a constant failure in season 6 in mereen. Now Dany seems to be realising what a terrible mistake she has made, Jon: as you all mentioned where the hell do all these npc soldiers come from and why are they the only ones to die. Also the bear is able to attack 2 men before any of the group decide to use dragonglass or fire to kill it. Thoros did not have to get injured this way. Also as I mentioned in a previous comment David and Dan in their season 7 episode summary’s literally said “goddamn it I want a white walker polar bear”. So instead of good writing they decide to waste money on something as stupid as this white walker polar bear. Sansa: Sansa is complaining to little finger about Arya and where Arya found the scroll…… if Sansa even thought for one second or if the writing made sense, she would either 1. Go to the maester and ask if he gave it to Arya and then find out he gave it to little finger which would tip Sansa off into not trusting little finger and executing him as she should have done as soon as the battle with Ramsay ended or 2. Ask her brother bran who knows literally everything that’s going on in the world, he could just tell Sansa everything she needs to know, but no dumb and dumber have no idea how to write brans story or utilise his powers and therefore brans story simply amounts to learning of Jon’s lineage so he can tell Jon he is the rightful heir to the throne. That is all that brans story is about. I’ve been saying this all season but why is little finger still alive and why is he still here. The vale are loyal to Sansa and she could have him killed if she told the truth about lysa. Why has she not told anyone yet? Also little finger literally shit himself when bran said chaos is a ladder so why the hell is he still here. Given that we know he died in the finale the entire winterfell storyline this season is a complete waste of time as little finger should have been killed at the end of season 6, but no dumb and dumber required a winterfell storyline to keep us going in season 7 otherwise Arya and Sansa wouldn’t satisfy their required episode appearances. Seriously fuck what dumb and dumber did to little fingers character. Jon: how convenient that killing the main white walker of the group resulted in only one wight surviving allowing the group to succeed in their dumb mission. Jon then tells gendry to run to the wall and get a raven to Dany so she can come and pick them up. Jon even tells gendry that he is the fastest runner… Jon just met gendry about 5 minutes ago and has not received any evidence to know for a fact that gendry is the fastest runner in the group. Given that the group has been travelling for days in freezing weather the fact that gedry is able to run to the wall in a few hours in freezing weather when his insides should freeze due to this physical activity is just so far beyond stupid. The group then manage to find an island to camp on while the white walkers have them surrounded, Jorah suggests killing the white walkers to have the wights be killed but Jon says they need to bring the one wight back with them. By saying this Jon is banking on the fact that they can successfully stay alive in freezing weather for what would take weeks for gendry to run to the wall in a few days realistically if he doesn’t freeze up, the raven to travel weeks to dragonstone and then for Dany to arrive and save them which would take another week at the very least. Jon is basically saying that the group need to stay here for 3 weeks let’s say without any food or shelter to keep them going…. FUCK DUMBD AND DUMBER FOR WRITING THIS NONSENSE. Sansa: Sansa receives the invitation to kings landing and tells brienne and for some weird reason brienne gets annoyed at Sansa not wanting to go and send brienne instead. Why the hell would brienne want Sansa to go when she knows the torture that Sansa endured while in kings landing for 3 seasons. Next when brienne says it’s not safe to leave Sansa with little finger, Sansa gets mad at brienne for no reason whatsoever. Also little finger should be dead already so why haven’t they don’t that yet, also the army can protect Sansa from a man like little finger with no combat experience. Dany: somehow the raven managed to make it to dragonstone at the speed of light, what was that a few hours?? Good lord. For all Dany knows the guys could be dead given that it has been weeks (realistically) since they sent the raven. Also why is she taking all 3 of her dragons, given that she killed the Lannister army with one dragon, why doesn’t she only take 1. Jon: why is the hound stupidly throwing rocks at the wights for absolutely no reason at all except for dumb and umber to force a contrived scenario where the group are in danger. Why is the hound fighting with gendrys hammer and not dragonglass?? How the hell did tormund survive certain death. The white walkers used to be enemies that swarm their enemies but now they attack one by one?? Also they were literally doing nothing to tormund except hugging him, fuck the plot armour creating fake emotions from the audience. How are the group still alive considering white walkers swarm their enemies. The plot armour on display is beyond belief. Somehow Dany makes it to the group in a few minutes even though this should take a week or more. Also as we know from the lore dragons don’t want to cross the wall but for some reason danys dragons have no problem with it. As everyone is getting ready to get on the dragon Jon decides to stay and fight more for absolutely no reason, seriously get on the fucking dragon and escape certain death. For some reason the night king decides to kill the flying dragon rather than the one on the ground with all of his human enemies on it 🤦‍♂️ god this writing is so bad. Why does Jon just stare at the night king instead of escaping. Maybe this stardom is dumb and dumber way of setting up the eventual final fight between Jon and the night king.. Jon then finally runs to the dragon but gets tackled into the freezing water in the meantime. Jon snow is officially dead from freezing water and the plot armour to have him survive this is the most extreme example so far. He survived 200 arrows from Ramsay but that isn’t as bad as him literally surviving freezing water. Also the wifhts fells in with him so how did he get free of them? Guess it’s just an offscreen thing we shouldn’t question. Then benjen just teleports in to save the day and this is just eh most pathetic thing dumb and dumber could have come up with. Why didn’t benjen get on the horse with Jon? There was still about 20 seconds before the wights swarm him and kill him. Guess dumb and dumber just wanted to kill hik in the most anti climactic way possible. Also the other guys make it back to the wall and leave, where did the large targeryan ship come from? Jon and the crew went on small boats, also Dany lost all her ships when the Greyjoys and dornish died as well as when the unsullied went to casterly rock so there are no ships left. Also where are the unsullied? We last saw them in episode 3 fighting the iron fleet? Are we assuming that greyworm and the other all died? Well considering they had no way out I guess Rip greyworm…… Somehow Jon makes it back at a similar time to when the others do when they flew on a dragon and Jon rode on a horse. Sansa: given that we know that Sansa and Arya were putting on this stupid fake rivalry to trick little finger why do they still do it when little finger is nowhere in sight? Like seriously why is Arya threatening this stupid shit to Sansa. Jon: somehow he is alive and completely fine. He decides to bend the knee to Dany even though he just met her. Clearly these two are falling in love despite having had like 4 scenes together. God this love story is so forced and it’s just so bad. White walkers: how did they get those chains to carry the dragon, how did they get in the lake despite earlier in the same episode refusing to do so, how did these extremely large chains not rip off viserions head. This episode is rated a 9/10 on IMDb and that just makes me sad considering how easily the sheep of this world are satisfied

Sean Carroll
>>149994901

Having “the tough conversations” doesn’t constitute Arya threatening to cut off Sansa’s face

Leo
>>150058992

Sean, I think everyone agrees with these writing errors now. So, you are not going to be special and no one will give you special attention.

Slussh
>>150058992

holy shit, no need to give us all an aneurysm trying to read this haha

Slussh
>>150053620

I feel like they could've just gave us a season 9 to help us process everything more, I don't disagree with most of how things ended, but like you said, its just all rushed

Junior

Dude, no one reads these. Seriously, chill lol

Sean Carroll
>>150061805

Being chill and writing a long comment are not mutually exclusive to each other

Sean Carroll
>>150058992

Leo: doesn’t change the fact that I’m going to call out all the issues I see, I don’t care if everyone is on my side now this is just what I do.

Sean Carroll
>>149994488

Next ep is almost as bad as this one. All of season 7 is rendered useless due to the next episode

Sean Carroll
>>149989755

When does Jon ever need to be humbled? Also why is Jon even brought into this conversation about Dany?

Sean Carroll
>>149988118

Why do women these days always have to bring up sexism, feminism or misogyny to criticise. Dany is just a bad character plain and simple

Sean Carroll
>>149986234

Yeah this is a bad episode but it’s only bottom 5 episode and it’s not 1, 2 3 or 4

Sean Carroll
>>149983626

Danys personality is what Carter can’t get on board with and both he and I share the opinion that season 1 Dany was her at her best when she was softer and more likeable. Since then she just makes speeches trying to be epic and gets mad at her advisors and it just comes across incredibly cringe

Starkfern

The war of the five kings is imo the best part of Got, Everything after that is downhill (Season 5 and onward). Things were better when it was kings against kings. Idek what im watching now

Nomaan
>>149983626

“Trying to be epic” bro she is epic and that’s what men like you can’t handle 😭 and getting mad at her advisors when? Maybe in season 2 which I agree with but after that it’s only been Tyrion this season that’s she’s been angry with so I’m confused.

Sean Carroll
>>149965597

Seeing cannons face just become completely dumbfounded in those scenes was hilarious

Sean Carroll
>>149962016

Scared because they are going to hate it and just complain about the writing decisions being bad. They might like the first two eps overall because those are fairly regular and don’t lend much to writing issues but after that is just a complete shitshow until the end. The last 4 eps of the show are the worst eps of the show

Sean Carroll
>>149959830

Arya threatening to cut off Sansa’s face is absolutely forced beef 2 episodes after reuniting. Also given that it was all fake between them to trick little finger (even though he wasn’t around) just proves that it’s all forced

Sean Carroll
>>149955682

Yes but in the first episode no other storyline’s were simultaneously occurring for it to be a problem. This whole white walker mission realistically time wise would take about 2-3 months from when Jon left dragons tone all the way to bringing the white walker to Cersei. Are we supposed to believe that no other storyline’s are moving at all in this 2-3 month span?

Jessica
>>149961766

Haha no but she does have plotarmor to the fullest. But her scenes are enjoyable man. Like you always say: I turn my brain off, relax and enjoy 😎 don’t have the energy to be frustrated at this point lol

Sean Carroll
>>149953443

Sorry jack there isn’t enough room for two of us on this thing I’m lying on, I know you’re freezing to death but I need to stay alive. Titanic

Sean Carroll
>>149952285

She is still terrible in season 8 personality wise and also becoming a complete Mary sue

Sean Carroll

The more I rewatch this the more I wonder what goes through the brains of those idiots who say attack on titans ending is worse than game of thrones. It’s genuinely mind boggling and makes me laugh at how stupid people can be

Blake

Carter looks like he’s about to crash out 😂

JC
>>149960772

Carrier pigeons can fly 60mph for like 1000 miles, so that’s 16 hrs. I think GOT ravens could have got there in a day or so

ShanB
>>149959830

Nice try at a debate on my opinion Sean but Arya threatening to cut off Sansa’s face would be part of the execution that I already mentioned was NOT done in the best way. Also 2 episodes doesn’t equal two days. They were happy to see each other at first but eventually things go back to factory settings aka Sansa and Arya having their differences that were always there. Everything I said still stands

Nikita M
>>149972084

"Someone who thinks their vision of the world is the correct vision is an incredibly dangerous person." True, but they're also those people who actually change the world. She's never said (so far) that her vision of the world is the correct one. She's just tried to correct the wrongs she sees on her path. She went to the slave cities and burned/crucified the slavers/masters, yes. You know who else executed/killed lots of people without trial? Literally all the other major characters in GOT. The first scene of GOT is Ned beheading a Night's Watch deserter. Why? Because based on the rules of this medieval world, you leave your post at the wall and you die. Does Ned send a raven to the Wall and ask "Hey did you guys see the white walkers, there is a kid here saying he saw them? What should we do about this?" There is no trial, there is nothing. When Janos Slynt disobeys and insults Jon when he's Commander, does he forgive him even after he pleads for mercy? No, he still beheads him. Why? Isn't it better to have more people to fight against the walkers? He does it to show his power and as an example to the others that rules are rules. Dany burning the Tarlys is a similar situation. They're proud people and would rather die than follow her. That's their decision. She didn't change their way of life. They didn't even know what she would be like as a ruler yet. She just beat them and has dragons so she's a "foreigner" (which makes no sense since Targaryens were living there forever) so they don't want her. I would even say on the contrary to everyone else, we've seen Dany struggle making difficult decisions more than anyone else in the show. She's often asking her advisors for help. Clearly the decisions in Mereen were weighing on her. She was talking about it with Daario and Missandei. She locked up her dragons. etc. She was making mistakes but learning to navigate as best as possible. If she did everything right then we'd question and complain about that. Like how Arya is suddenly master assassin because she was blind for a bit or something. I completely understand how some people don't like/connect with Daenerys because she's too arrogant/bad personality/etc. etc. just like I don't really connect with Jon because to me, he's pretty one dimensional and boring but what I can never get my head around is how people always bring up these things that Dany did and judge those actions based on today's society standards and not the medieval ones we see all throughout the show. And judge those actions in hindsight because when she burned the masters of the unsullied we all cheered. I think the whole point of her character is that we're supposed to learn about ruling along with her.

Paul Durbin

I've thought about writing a comment like three times now, but why even bother at this point? There's too many things that make zero sense to keep track of.

Paul Durbin

You can be upset about all the people that are complaining about the increased rushed pacing, sure. Some of it is just sped up, certain things are skipped over or done off screen, and people "teleport" when perhaps they took a long journey between scenes and it just wasn't explicit how much time had passed. There is no way you can justify this episode.

Nikita M
>>149968258

@selmak13 Exactly. Tyrion and Varys' conversation about her burning the Tarlys made no sense. She didn't burn them for fun. They're at war on opposite sides. They refused the wall, said they don't want her as ruler and chose to die. It was a quick death. Dragons are her weapons instead of a sword. Big deal. It's like they just remembered that she has dragons. How did that bring up Varys' memories of the mad king burning random ppl cuz he was paranoid? Not to mention Stannis was burning his family members (before Shireen) through regular-slow-painful-death fire for magic that may or may not be true and everyone was like oh no big deal, GO STANNIS THE GOAT! LOL

Paul Durbin
>>150047057

Rushed in terms of "sped up" can be justified to a certain extent. Rushed in the context of this episode, is borderline complete narrative incompetence and feels like a creative writing essay I wrote when I was 8 years old.

Paul Durbin
>>150044617

His character? What's his character? He's a character? I thought he was a plot device.

Nikita M
>>149964919

Brienne was great when she was having character development. She's kind of stagnant now. To me Sansa feels like Sansa. She acts how I imagine her younger self would act when she grew up. I wish we could have more scenes of her being more soft maybe conversing with a handmaiden or something. Arya is the most arrogant and weird to me. She goes from spunky likeable young girl to a strange emotionless arrogant RBF having character. Her reunion with Sansa was very lukewarm. I didn't feel either of their happiness at seeing each other. It's like they were just trying to act like they were happy.

Paul Durbin
>>150058992

That just about covers everything. I don't think you needed to be so brief with it though.

Sean Carroll
>>150058992

This one took me about 45 minutes to write haha, season 8 might bring me into 1 hour territory

Paul Durbin

33:45 Brigg: "How far is this run, do you think?" "How long does a raven take to get to [Dragonstone]? Stop asking completely valid questions! Just turn your brain off and enjoy some plot!

BloodyBen
>>150058992

I don't put any value on ratings, the fact that episodes like this have a 9/10 rating proves that ratings mean absolutely nothing (any braindead idiot who just likes pretty colours can rate)

BloodyBen
>>150049395

Show Daenerys is just so cringe imo, especially in the later seasons, acting like the world revolves around her and everyone should be kissing her feet and feeling honored just to be in her presence.

BloodyBen
>>150039123

I thought the exact same thing, I even hit a rewind to hear it again lol. I was like, 'did bro just say more than 5 words in one sentence?'

BloodyBen
>>150035539

The North Remembers. In the books this phrase actually means something, they remember the injustices done to them by the south and will likely never accept a southern ruler again. D&D just completely ignored the Northern Plot that we're seeing in the books.

BloodyBen
>>150028508

Dumbest take I've seen all year. I can just imagine you sitting right Infront of the TV going 'ooohhhh pretty colours'

Paul Durbin

34:20 It's not a matter of pacing, it's a matter of completely suspending disbelief. No, disregarding logic. You are given a timeframe of what other characters are doing during this time. Any combination of the following factors must be true for this episode to make an ounce of sense: 1. Gendry is now a track star 2. Ravens in this universe are (at least) literally capable of flying at the speed of sound. (No evidence of that being the case until now) 3. Daenerys has the grip strength of an industrial grade vise grip, cause those dragons must be doing the same as previously mentioned. 4. The northern posse spent many, many days just chillin on that frozen island. Don't start with this nonsense about how this is a fantasy show. It's called world building, and these clowns broke what's been built.

Paul Durbin
>>150061805

Just because you don't read his comments, doesn't mean no one does.

Paul Durbin

And another thing! Daenerys shows up just in the nick of time and gives the posse some breathing room. Okay, well the fight so far for Daenerys seems to be... "I burnt to a crisp at least a hefty portion of the undead army with near zero risk to myself or to my dragons." How does she not think to just keep it going? Why bother going down and rescuing them at all if you spend another 15 minutes making a dozen strafe runs and completely eliminating the problem altogether. Then you achieve the goal of eliminating the threat to the posse, and now Jon has no reason to worry about his main goal anymore and can work with you on the whole King's Landing thing. I really just gotta turn my brain off, I'm gonna be here for hours.

Sean Carroll
>>150069389

The whole white walker subplot from ep 5-7 should literally be 2-3 months in world time and yet nothing happens on the other stories to suggest this

roonil

I think the reason that the dragon died pretty much immediately was that the Night King hit his "fire glands" (for lack of a better word), while the dragon was spitting fire. So the fluid the dragons use for spitting fire basically exploded when the gland was punctured. It was like a big explosion in his neck. And the fall certainly didn't help.

Paul Durbin

54:40 Carter "I'm so confused right now." Cannon "Wait, why?" Wut

Leo
>>150064845

I want to watch AOT. Is it good to watch?

lola
>>150035060

Literally no one has stopped you from saying whatever you wanted… you’ve done it more than enough times. Also, I’m referring to 7-8. Season 6 was PEAK! Cry about it!

Scinaps

So what's happening this week, are we only getting 2 episodes instead of 3 a week. Last week was only 2 😢

Sean Carroll
>>150064845

Leo: attack on titan is the best show I’ve ever seen and is my favourite show. Masterpiece in writing. The geks watched it last year and fell in love with it starting off as anime haters. By the end I think Carter and cannon consider it the best show they’ve ever watched. Brig jack and McKay had already watched it and loved their rewatch

Sean Carroll
>>150035060

According to you I had mental problems and you were part of the gang back then trying to get me banned. You’ve changed your tune now that we’ve reached something you believe to be bad.

Sean Carroll
>>149961766

She’s still a total robot in conversations with people. She’s not as randomly horrible as she has been the past two episodes. Her plot armour goes to the moon though

Sean Carroll
>>149959830

You said that the beef between the two is not forced. There is absolutely no reason for Arya to be “playfully” threatening to cut off Sansa’s face and use it. I’m not worried about the two sisters not loving each other, but I have a problem with the extreme level of random beef towards each other to get to the point of threatening murder. No not everything you said still stands considering the whole beef they had with each other is proven in the finale to be fake to trick little finger so they could kill him. Considering that little finger wasn’t even around for both of their horrible conversations what was the point of them.

Sean Carroll
>>150064845

Awesome, if it doesn’t grip you straight away just push past it. The show just gets better and better as you go

Lady Stoneheart (Uncat)
>>150070467

Yeah I just realized this on my last watch, I still think it's too convenient, but at least they thought of something. Does anyone get super bothered though by how gruesome that death would be? Mythical, fictionary, or cgi, I viscerally react to animal abuse or death same as I would if it was real.

Nomaan
>>149983626

Not even gonna take the first part of ur reply seriously😂 but dany telling Jorah and Barristan not to question her in front of strangers is a “bad” thing but when Jon says the same thing to Sansa it’s not? Ur a hypocrite mate

Ted Dixon

I think the biggest thing that always bugged me about this episode is the ice breaking in the first place on the lake. The North has literally always been frozen, anyone from a northern climate knows that ice in that situation would be thick enough to drive a semi on it, yet somehow a couple of people walking on it causes it to break. On top of that somehow in the matter of a day or two the ice somehow freezes thicker than it was before, enough for an entire horde of undead to walk across. Nothing makes sense about it. Not to mention all of the other parts of this episode that have already been mentioned

ShanB
>>149959830

The beef itself is not forced because it was always there was it not? You’re still bringing up the dialogue which was shit so there’s no argument there.

Ophelia
>>150045875

I’m not sure when this community got so negative. Think I’m gonna let my subscription run and then end it because damn I hate being flooded w so much negativity

Mysterious Figure
>>149983626

@Sean Mate, I read most of the stuff you say and you're usually kind of close to pretty reasonable, so Im going to give you a chance here but this comment man... have you been living under a rock? Have you really never seen a woman owning an epic moment or a few? Man that perspective you described is really living a poor life I must say if that is how you see things and I pity your life experiences. So many examples of exceptional women being epic in fiction in so many different ways come to mind like: Sarah Connor in Terminator, Ripley from Alien, Major from Ghost in the shell... I mean you've seen AOT, so you've seen Mikasa Mizu from the recently marvelous Blue Eye Samurai, both - lady Mariko... or equally deserving... vvv ...a woman with a mountain of a heart - lady Fuji from Shogun that was recently awarded a total of 18 Emmys, Riza Hawkeye from FMAB, Frieren especially recently was a total breath of fresh air ummm havent you heard of Kill Bill and Uma Thurman??? Michelle Yeoh in her martial arts roles over the years??? have you heard of anything Judy Dench? - she wins whatever she touches Meryl Streep - does this name need explaining? then Kate Blanchet? - if this woman didnt do anything besides Galadriel she would be completely deserving to be here, but OH MAN did she deliver besides that... the list goes on... you just have to not be cringe yourself.

Paul Durbin
>>150064845

AoT is my 2nd favorite show behind Band of Brothers. So... my favorite piece of fiction. It's quite gripping from the get go, but yeah just push through stuff if it doesn't take immediately; it won't take long to hit the banger episodes sprinkled... and then splattered. Season 1 barely even makes it into my head whenever I think about the series. It's not bad by any means. It just somehow keeps getting better and better.

Nasty

so we getting a third ep this week? feels like it's been some time since we got 3 episodes a week.

Daenerys Targaryen
>>149955603

Oh I’ve read all the books. I fell in love with book Dany before season 2 was even out. That’s why I will never dislike Dany, no matter how the show portrays her.

TheSauceGuy
>>150069389

idk why they didn't just give dany some sort of harness for drogon that she can strap on to

TheSauceGuy

Would anyone here rate the finale of this season worse than this episode? I think certain aspects of the finale are worse, but I can't remember the majority of the episode.

TheSauceGuy
>>150044617

they wasted/changed so many characters and removed many good ones too

TheSauceGuy
>>150035060

well you don't gotta bring it back up lol, can we just live in peace and harmony?

TheSauceGuy
>>150027931

I'd argue his character went permanently in a different direction starting in season 4

TheSauceGuy
>>150018779

The 8 worst imo, but there are some really good moments in a couple of the episodes, but they change nothing

Sean Carroll
>>150101540

For me finale is 3/10, so it’s only slightly better than this episode

Leo
>>150064845

Just completed episode 4. This is too good. Background score is insane.

TheSauceGuy
>>149989755

Jon's book counterpart certainly gets humbled and killed for a more understandable reason

Has

This is my first time rewatching this since it came out back in 2017, and my god, i do not remember it being this bad and cringe

TheSauceGuy
>>149983626

They surrendered because they stopped fighting, that is surrendering. They could've just jailed the lords at that point.

TheSauceGuy
>>149980719

Regardless of whether you think her arrogance and entitlement make sense (they do, but the writers didn't build up to this well), they're still annoying. She criticizes Tyrion for making plans that aren't even necessarily bad, but the showrunners make Euron's fleet pop up out of nowhere instantly. Jaime takes Highgarden with no siege equipment and nowhere near enough men. These two things don't make sense and realistically shouldn't have happened. Dany's criticisms of other people also get annoying because she never thinks of anything herself and almost always entirely relies on her advisors. She's younger in the books, but she's an adult in the show, so it really gets tiring. She was good at uniting people in Essos, but she is not very good at that in Westeros and only does so through fear.

TheSauceGuy
>>149959150

It doesn't happen that often, but this episode it was said a bunch, so I wanted to point it out.

Sean Carroll
>>150064845

That’s great to hear, ep 5 is a good one. You’re going to get hooked soon

Chuck Norris

man this show fucking stinks its hard to watch other people experience the pain that was the last 2 seasons

Lydia
>>149983626

I hope you continue to be sexist and get banned

Linn
>>149977923

I mean they had giants so why not have oversized chains for them to use?

Linn

While I’ve loved watching your reactions to this show I can’t wait for it to be over. The comment section has been unbearable. So much negativity, people jumping at each other’s throats not letting anyone have their own opinion and let’s not forget a lot of condescending comments against women. Them making a video about it didn’t even help. At least we have Dark now and so far the fans there have been a lot more chill.

Leo
>>150064845

Bro, this is insane🔥🔥🔥. I think the Titan killing other titans is eren.

Cam

Omg you guys made me think for the first time how much more epic it would have been if Rhaegal had saved Jon. It would have been such an epic scene if Rhaegal chose Jon as his rider there and they rode off back to Eastwatch. Adding that to my list of “we were robbed”

Lydia
>>150108627

Yup 😔 remember you can report sexist/misogynistic comments on discord

Linn
>>150108627

Didn’t know but I’ll keep that in mind!

Junior
>>150070467

George has killed a dragon in the books by having a spear go through its eye, so even he can make things convenient when needed...

Lady Stoneheart (Uncat)
>>150070467

eye = brain throat while breathing fire = glandular fuel = explosion is .... I mean, it's something, but gruesome, and convenient for the moment. Brain is simple, messing with how a dragon breathes fire ... leads to only speculation/more questions, at least

Yoxxhio

yall yap so much. daenerys is literally right I dont know what the hell y'all are thinking. they are at war, she won the battle and told the enemy to surrender or die, those who chose death got it. it's as simple as that

Thomas Strunk

No joke, the upside is this to me is the worst episode of the show. Just absolute fanfiction made by a 14 year old with no logic or reasoning. Upside because it only gets better from here. Albeit, in some episodes, not much better.

Ocean Phi Long Le

John lost the battle of the bastard and this battle. His character arch is so terrible

Thomas Strunk

Okay, bare with me y'all. I'm gonna copy paste a cringe comment from my childhood, August 22nd, 2017. When I watched this episode live and then sent a message to a group chat of friends. if ya want a super long unc hater POV from back in the day that's like 8 paragraphs: Idk, I just found the last episode to be really weak. there was just so much wrong with it. I kind of want to rant about this whole season, but I'll just stick to this episode for now. SubA) Just thought of this one and don't feel like changing all the letters: Why didn't they ride horses north of the wall? It'd be way faster and make way more sense. Your plan right now is to kidnap a wight out of the massive horde and then just run for your life with him? Get a bunch of horses and you can easily outrun the Walkers then. Not nearly as much of a thoughtless suicide mission. A) Why did they have Gendry run in one direction and they ran in the other? Why not all just run in the same direction? Gendry is the fastest and gets a good head start, so he'd be far in front of them and not at risk of dying. They didn't know the lake was there to save them, so why were they running over there? That's not the direction to East Watch. If they thought they'd have a chance at outrunning them, they then they'd obviously choose to run in the correct direction. Makes no sense. B) The idea of the ice collapsing on the lake just in time seemed a little dumb to me. I mean I guess there were so many wights running across it they couldn't hold the weight, but it seemed like a forced way to save them. I would have much preferred if the hound took that hammer and started swinging it to intentionally break the ice as opposed to dumb luck. Also, they were all just standing there in a circle and the Night King clearly has spears with dead-eye accuracy. Why didn't he throw the spears at them? Or even rocks or something lol. C) They should have continued to break the ice surrounding them with the hammer instead of letting it freeze over leaving them vulnerable. They had days to think about and do this. Really dumb and not believable that they didn't. D) The whole Gendry running to the wall, sending a Raven hundreds of miles south and then Dany coming up there all before they freeze to death thing is dumb. It's beaten to death though, so I'll let it go here E) Why was Jon Snow being a hero fighting off wights 30 yards from the dragon (and advancing further as he was fighting them)? Me knit-picking here, but the best place to defend the dragon is right next to it. I have no idea why he was so far away other than to create the plot point of forcing to leave him behind. F) Why did the Knight King throw his spear at he Dragon that was 300 yards away and flying across the sky? There's a stationary dragon literally right there with 7 other enemies on it as well and nobody looking. Instead he chooses to show off and take one down that's in the sky lol? G) Deus Ex Machina with Uncle Benji (for the second time, btw) was dumb as hell. Where did he come from? Was he just watching this whole time? WHY DIDNT HE GO ON THE HORSE WITH JON??? There's easily two seats, so I don't see why not. On top of that, what if the horse doesn't go back to the wall? What if Jon passes out (he did) and falls off? Clearly you need to be there Uncle Benji to make sure things go smoothly. He wasn't, though. Looked like they just wanted to die up a loose-end and save on budget so they killed him. H) Clearly Jon would have been dead after falling into a freezing lake and then riding for presumably hours back to Castle Black. Overall just a pretty Hollywood style episode to me. Really losing what made Game Of Thrones so great, which was believable outcomes and ideas in a fantasy world. No cheating. If a character is in a situation where they're supposed to die, they die.

LA

To all of you Butt Sore MFS, raise your hand if you've written or produced a more successful show than GOT.

Leo
>>150128966

You want jon to win this battle against 100000 walkers 😂😂😂

LA
>>150137646

Evading the question doesn't make you intelligent. It proves my point, so thank you for participating. 😘😘

LA
>>150137646

Do your research before you claim you're a "Reaction" channel. This isn't a college 101 Film class. The Normies Blind Wave Spartan and Pudgey Raggedy Pack Don't trust Hannah Burlington Bar We want to see a reaction Not an Analysis. You don't have the qualifications to dissect a show especially if you haven't produced one yourselves.

Sean Carroll
>>150137646

Speak for yourself, I don’t want to see brainless idiots cheering at everything they see on screen, I enjoy when people dissect what they are watching and pick up on the important details. I also enjoy reactors who actually go in depth with what they are thinking. The last sentence is plain idiotic, under your logic we don’t have the right to comment on what we are seeing and have an opinion or problem about writing choices simply because we haven’t made a show. This is truly a stupid opinion. If I wanted brainless idiots I’d watch rttv or Burlington bar reactions.

Linn
>>150108627

Imagine being someone who does something worthy of a report. But you apparently felt like the shoe fits since you answered my comment.

I❤️movies&tvshows
>>150097199

A third episode? We got 3,4 and 5 as part of last weeks 3 episode release. Carter confirmed it was 3 a week in the last post comment section. We have only had 1 this week if you go by there 3 a week release. Last week was delayed because of YouTube problems and Carters birthday. Considering this is Sunday. It probably will be 1 maybe 2 until this ends. Probably the comments are driving them crazy and they don’t want to read them

Griffin
>>150064845

I don't disagree with your POV here, but once again you're calling people stupid. This is the same shit Geks warned about. You can share your opinion without attacking other. Well, maybe *you* can't

Sean Carroll
>>150064845

I’m talking about the general worldwide reception of the haters, not anyone in this Patreon. The people outside of this Patreon are fair game and not the geks concern.

BloodyBen
>>150137646

If you don't like their reaction style then why are you here? instead of finding reactors and then telling them how you want them to react why don't you just find reactors who suit what you're looking for in a reaction channel? to me that seems like the logical solution no? And the logic that you can't judge something unless you've done it better is the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile, and completely illogical. "we want to see a reaction, not an analysis" - well as you can see these guys like to analyze, and most of us are here because they're not just braindead watchers who just wanna see the pretty moving lights. Don't like their reaction style? you're welcome to leave lol, cause they aren't about to change the way they do things for the likes of you.

Nasty
>>150097199

Yeah plus i think one piece takes up quite some time for them which is too bad. So many episodes of that show per week and tons of other stuff at the same time, think it might be a bit too much for them.

Bellaa
>>150137646

your comment wasnt a question just a statement. and almost every GOT fan hates what happens in this episode and the following. INCLUDING the cast of the show😭🤗 so maybe j chill out and let people critique

LA
>>150137646

Darling, no cast member complained about this specific episode. The Season, I'll give you that.

Scinaps

Season finale, let's gooooo 👏🏻

Isabella Hayes-Hollands

hoping we get the finale today! only makes sense to finish it this week right? 🙃👀

Bellaa
>>150137646

the whole cast hated the direction the show went. so idk why u are saying they didnt have an issue with this episode. there were so many wrong choices for characters and just bad scenes

Gilster

"Batman" lmfaooo bro

Nepenthe
>>150137646

Calls people butt sore mother fuckers then immediately goes to posting extremely condescending replies when people respond. First off, as Bellaa said, your post isn't even framed as a question so maybe you shouldn't go the insulting peoples intelligence route. Second off, Bellaa said "hates what happens in this episode AND THE FOLLOWING." Her referencing the casts opinion on the show is clearly in relation to the rest of this season and the next, not this specific episode. I guess you didn't understand that (but we're the stupid ones right). Lastly, a significant amount of the patrons clearly enjoy their analysis, but nice try with the "WE want to see a reaction not an analysis" part. Classic move to just try and co-opt the entire community into your whack-ass comments.

LA
>>150137646

She said "This Episode". Don't state something that the cast didn't say. Bella can defend herself Darling.

ipsssen

I understand Carter because also think danaerys is very cool but i just don’t vibe with her. I think it’s because she comes across pretty entitled and stubborn a lot of the times her claim is purely based on her birthright. She’s earned her current stature, but she also comes across like she just expects people to accept her as a ruler because of her name.

ipsssen

I also feel bad for Sansa because she got reunited with her siblings and now one is the three eyed raven with no emotions and the other is a faceless man with no emotions 😂 meanwhile she’s just a normal person

Bellaa
>>150137646

thank you 😇🙈 hehe i try to be nice but this chick clearly has an issue lol

Bellaa
>>150137646

shes not defending me she is referencing my comments and your comments 🙌🏽. if you use reading comprehension skills you will see i didnt only say this episode. end of season 7 and 8 are not liked by the cast, just deal w it

Bellaa

im crying😭 i only now got to finish ur reaction of the end of this ep, and Carters face during the “dany” dialogue is killing me hahaha. please carter dont hide the disgust and shock at what they do moving forward in the show. we want to see it🙏🏼

Zahra A

don’t be shy drop 7x07 we know you’ve seen it 👀

Sean Carroll
>>150192287

I feel bad for the hundreds of men who died in season 6 and the families that lost them due to Sansa not telling Jon about the vale. She should be in jail

Scinaps
>>150199335

I don't think they read the comment section anymore, with all the negativity in it I totally wouldn't blame them

ssj4rit
>>150137646

You literally have no point. This is one of the dumbest takes I’ve ever read. By your logic if I hire a plumber and they tear down my entire house and don’t fix the problem, I can’t critique them because I’m not a plumber.

༒ dianna ༒

The white walkers stopped by Home Depot to get the chain guys, I thought you knew the was one in the north.

༒ dianna ༒

It's crazy to me that, the more I rewatch the show, the more I notice Dany's character change. The first time around I loved her so much and would be bias as fuck ab her decisions and attitude, it starts to be noticeable in late Meereen. its soooo sad cus I always rooted for her and its so upsetting knowing its just bad writing. Like she is just this unbelievable woman I would follow her anywhere. Its also a lot more noticeable how much Tyrion fumbles every time, its not wonder she questions his loyalty, I think he lost his ability after killing his father……

Thomas Strunk
>>150128595

Not by much, but yes. I think this is literally the worst single episode in the show.

༒ dianna ༒

I really also dislike this episode's pacing and seeing Viserion die. Just a reminder to Brig that people can't get infected by walkers, they die and rise as walkers either after dying or if the night king touches them, as we see with the Dragon. Also, Cannon Thoros is the priest that died, the guy with the eyepatch is Beric you keep confusing them with each other.

༒ dianna ༒
>>150137646

Bro shut up, everyone can have different opinions and not have to blindly love a show bc you tell them to? you see nothing wrong with it, good for you. Every consumer of this product can have an opinion of it. Also, not you being gross to everyone replying to your comments. If you don't like the format of the reaction, unsubscribe and spare us all having to see you being this dumb in the comment section, thank you.

༒ dianna ༒

YOU people in the comments for this show are so fucking toxic, this is why I stopped watching this and commenting as soon as it gets posted. I get being passionate about a show and your opinion about it, but when you straight up come for people's necks when they disagree with your opinion online....... If you can't be respectful and actually have a debate (without being nasty and without your emotions all over the place but with facts and strong arguments) then don't participate, then shut your mouth.

Sean Carroll
>>150137646

If they are a heart surgeon but they take out my kidneys I’m not allowed to sue them

༒ dianna ༒
>>150131519

I actually read this and it wasn't bad at all you make good points, hated these things too lol. Missed the chains tho, thought you were going to say something ab it.

༒ dianna ༒
>>150108627

On god! I hate this reaction's comment section. People do be freaks, and they expect people to just let it be LMAOOOOOO. Paul go to bed or something buddy.

༒ dianna ༒
>>150070467

@Charissa this made me cry the first time I watched, idc that they are CGI animals.

zena
>>150192287

lmao "she should be in jail" you're so fucking weird acting like you actually care about the characters morals.

Sean Carroll
>>150192287

I do care about character morals. Sansa taking credit for the win is an absolute joke

zena
>>150192287

who cares that has nothing to do with the comment. when comparing the starks Sansa probably is the most normal one. it's a funny comment mentioning how every stark had something insane different about them except Sansa.

studiogek

7x7 dropping tomorrow!

Paris Hardy

I agree with Brigg & Carter for once. The execution of this season was terrible. Especially this episode. The way the writers got to these moments was so quick, obvious, & terribly plotted. It lacks the connection & nuance the first 4 seasons built up. Definitely on the writers… but I’m also side-eying the Hell of GRRM. What did he expect them to do? Spin their wheels forever with an unfinished story while he feeds morsels for years??

Mama Browsss
>>150212411

Oh, Home Depot? I always thought they ordered Amazon same day delivery and had one of those drones drop it off.. :)

I❤️movies&tvshows
>>150192287

It would have been great to see that story play out. Jon arrests Sansa. Then Do you think Littlefinger and the 2000 people in the army for the Vale would allow Sansa to be put in jail? More likely Littlefinger would use his army to defeat Jon and what is left of his army and take Winterfell for himself. Before the battle begin Jon had just under 3000 fighting men. Probably at least half or more were lost in the battle. Littlefinger would take over Winterfell just as he described to Cersei he would. Probably the only thing that stopped him from taking Winterfell once Jon left was Sansa not agreeing to his plan. So many great stories and versions of what could have been are possible. It’s sad what the writers actually did. It could have been tremendously better.

I❤️movies&tvshows

Does anyone know what state the geks are in? That way when they say tomorrow we would know the time zone it was posted in. Is tomorrow Monday or Tuesday? Thanks

Scinaps
>>150244157

Their reply yesterday was minutes before midnight local time on Sunday going to Monday

Jenny D

Great reactions. What I liked about the episode was the different conversations between Jorah/Jon and The Hound/Tormund. I wasn't a fan of Arya and Sansa's argument. It seemed to bring us back to season 1 when they were at each other's throats. I feel like now they would understand each other better and see that they each have been through hard times. I would agree that I started to like Daenerys a little less in this season. Mainly because of what Carter said. There is nothing wrong with being confident and she's been through a lot, but sometimes I do wish we could see more of her humbler side like we saw in previous seasons. For the most part I tried to suspend belief on the traveling, but I will say it becomes harder as this season went on. I also am curious as to where they got thr chains. I guess maybe they stockpile stuff when they do their death raids? I don't know if anyone else caught this, but when Tormund was being attacked and almost pulled into the water, two white walkers popped out of the water to try and grab him. But before it seemed to indicate they couldn't swim. I still love the show, but they definitely were sloppier in this season. I get George RR Martin hadn't finished the books, but I read an article that said he told them what his plan was. Not sure how detailed it was. I'm looking forward to the next episode reaction. One more episode until season 8.

Amna 🍉
>>150238234

Idk if GRRM is to blame for this. D&D only approached him bc they thought adapting the red wedding would be cool. Their lack of love for GRRM's story was obvious with how much they left out and changed from the beginning of the story. HBO also offered, no BEGGED THEM, to go up to 12 seasons. D&D just didn't care bc they got a Star Wars gig....which they ended up not even doing. Not to mention D&D added original scenes and dialogue that proved they could do a good job if they tried: Tywin and Arya scenes, Hardhome (Jon isn't there in the books), Catelyn regretting how she treated Jon, Chaos is a Ladder speech by Littlefinger, Tyrion's trial speech.

Paris Hardy
>>150238234

Yes I’m familiar with the Star Wars thing. Again The begging for 12 seasons thing rings as disingenuous to me because without an actual Finished Story to adapt they were going to run up against the problems of 7 + 8 anyway. So instead of 2 bad final seasons they were supposed to tread water & shit the bed 2-4 more?! Lol At least they ended it. I can give them that at least. ** Also I wouldn’t say change is necessarily a bad thing if the work lends itself to changes/updates retooling. Look at AMC’s Interview with the Vampire. An acclaimed & loving update to Anne Rice’s Vampire chronicles. Devil’s Advocate I know since GoT is all medieval/period-piecey and does Not lend itself to drastic changes. It just feels like a lose-lose with GRRM dragging his feet with finishing the original story. Yes D&D shit the bed, but on the other hand, we have no actual ending.

Vanessa Sanchez

My thoughts exactly regarding Daenerys. When I first began watching this show back in 2011, she was one of my favorite characters. And for the 8 years that I watched it my feelings toward her never changed. It wasn’t until I rewatched the show, without years in between seasons, that I actually truly noticed my annoyance with her. I know GRRM wrote an amazing character and I appreciate that but DnD just made me become more annoyed with her. Then again, I was annoyed with Sansa’s character in the beginning and then ended up loving her and her character development. It’s all part of the story…. However, at the end of the day, I LOVE what GRRM created, I LOVE that we got to see it come to life in GOT (and continuing to see it with HOTD), and I will always and forever be a fan! There’s more I want to speak on regarding your guys reaction about this episode but 🤐…. Can’t wait for the next episode reaction….

lola
>>150219824

Wait y’all posted this at like 12am time so I’m not sure what “tomorrow” means for y’all… is it getting posted today or tomorrow Tuesday?

Lady Stoneheart (Uncat)
>>150238234

Read the books. They cut out so many scenes, characters, plots, story arcs, they combined books 4&5, when every other season was 1:1. They had plenty to draw out the story past 8 seasons, so Grrm could finish in the extra time. Then take about 4 more seasons to close the final(s). Maybe he still wouldn't have finished "in time", but they also could have not CUT key characters George specifically asked them not to, and alienated him from the project. He used to write for tv, while they had ZERO experience, and easily could have consulted him on mapping out a story board plan for the long term. It may have gotten a bit convoluted plot wise, for television, and many mini characters would still have to be cut, but combining/cutting at least like 4-5 main key characters for the overall plot cost the trajectory and momentum a lot. There was no reason to basically totally burn out by s5. It's really not on George at all, it's on Dave and Dan for scamming him, then not listening to his knowing advice. They simply did not at all care after 3x9, they never were going to care after that. They should have brought him back then, replaced themselves, and let someone else finish. There was an easy way to finish correctly. Listen to the creator of the source material, respect it, and stop living by the slogan 'fvck you got mine'.

Lady Stoneheart (Uncat)

I did finally watch this episode though and it is very entertaining, if you just forget the rest of the show exists. It truly is The Dragon Show compared (idk who I was talking to about that😂). Just pretend they started a new show and it works like magic. I think after 5.5 years I'm finally ... good?🤷🏾‍♀️

Timmy Turner
>>150137646

Literal brainrot take and scientists should use this as evidence we are declining as a species.

Daenerys Targaryen
>>150244157

They usually drop around midnight or later; so mostly likely it’ll actually be Tuesday already…

FanofNone

I like to watch reactions if those watching are liking the show and I totally understand the gripes but I was still able to enjoy the show all except the last episode. You all can have your issues with it but it stops becoming fun to watch if you all are not enjoying it. Again I totally understand and respect everyone’s opinion.

Sean Carroll
>>150299921

If you want pure fun go watch Burlington bar and you can see people screaming at the tv at anything and everything.

studiogek

Sorry for the late post again, the car broke down and so it’s gonna be a bit delayed but it’ll be out in a few hours!

Lexi Mae
>>149983626

So it appears you like Dany when she was essentially sold as a slave with no voice or confidence or anything…. was she “softer” or was she a scared victim? hmmmm

Lexi Mae
>>150313362

you guys cant get a break 😭😭 hope everything is okay!!

JJ
>>150299921

so why even post them then? would you like them to fake their enjoyment for you? they didnt need to know this at all

Bellaa
>>150299921

omg i remember watching those when i watched the show, their reactions do make it more enjoyable lol

Koen

i know the show falls of big time, but bro, just leave carter home at this point 😂 I can’t with the constant sarcastics laughs

Dreamer

I don't get why people think that Tyrion is actually a good hand, he's good with the people he knows, he's dialog is always on point but has he ever won anything with his strategies? Someone is always one step ahead of him, also, the way Dany clearly says that she will destroy the red keep because that's where the enemies are, is she wrong? in no moment has she mentioned burning the city or doing anything to the people, Tyrion keeps advising against it for why? because his family are the rulers and he still cares and does until the very end...

Eddy
>>150341858

Bad writing. His character established by GRRM is a very intelligent and cunning man who used his brains to make up for his stature. They couldn't have Daenerys win everything, but they took the lazy option of turning him into an incompetent strategist.

Eddy
>>150271086

Attack on titan is a great example of making a good character turn into the villain without ruining their character. It just happens too fast and without enough justification in GoT, and instead of coming across as I think they intended, someone who had given everything, but pushed to breaking point, she just comes across as arrogant and entitled, disregarding all the character she built in previous seasons.

Ghedo
>>150341858

He turned Kings landing into a better place as Hand, he is a Hero of the Battle of Blackwater, hes smart, so there are many reasons why people think hes a good hand. Writing got lazy and uninspired so hes getting shafted in later seasons

Ghedo
>>150299921

That is the reason they got so many patreons, because theyre real, they have fun and afterwards they discuss what they liked and what not. You just have to critisize the bad writing von D&D here, a 12 year old couldve wrote the same storyboard for this as them and its miles worse than earlier seasons, cool stuff happens, but without any weight and way to convenient, you have to call it out if youre real, if not you fake reactions, but then you dont deserve this many patreons

Sanji

This episode was so dogwater icl

Sanji
>>150470097

So many plot holes and convenient fixes and weird character writing

Jada
>>150299921

Here's a suggestion, stop paying for Patreon for the geks and go somewhere else who will cheers and scream in joy for game of thrones, so you can really relate to them. Ever gave that thought?

Jada
>>150064845

Listen I binge AoT within 2 weeks; it's worth it!!!!!!!!! My first anime ever and I loved every second of it (well almost)

Sean Carroll
>>150064845

He finished the show in 5 days, absolutely crazy, says it’s his best show ever

Jada

I'm with Carter: on paper Daenerys is inspiring on paper. But how they convey her on screen is different. I liked her character season 1-2 and that's about it. Now since all of my favorite characters died or were just acting stupid in season 8 I was rooting for her to kill them all. Everybody and everything was pissing me off in season 8 that I was rooting for her downfall whilst rooting for her to win lmaooo

Sarafian Victor
>>150591100

Maybe a hot take but Emilia Clarke is not the best fit for Daenerys. As much as I vibe with her badass one liners, she has failed many times throughout the show to portray credible emotions. The best exemple of remarquable acting would be Lena Heady bringing Cercei's character to a whole different level. I love Emilia Clarke's personnality in interviews but seeing her on screen always makes me think this casting choice is a missed opportunity.

Jada
>>150591100

I whole heartedly agree with this statement, I was shocked when lenda never got an Emmy but almost every season only Peter and clarke would get one. I always thought heady was the better actress

Raven Sub

People might think Dany is entitled but the fact is she is not just anyone. She's not Stannis or Renly or Cersei or anyone else who thought they should sit the throne. She is the mother of dragons, the one prophesied to save the world. Guided by a dream to bring dragons back to life, and did. She has been chosen by something greater than her. And how can she not believe this after everything she's done? Everything she's overcome? She believes what is clear, that she is meant to do this. What's open to interpretation is "to what end?". She believes it's ruling the seven kingdoms. And again, who can blame her for that? Context matters here.

SomeoneElse

Aria's entire story since going to that place with the faces was utter shit. I hate how they cut the good reunions we want to see short but dedicate so much time to this forced beef between Aria and Sansa. Yuck

Rigny la Belle

I'm actively cringing how did they let this writing happen

sushi

luckily they only killed her smallest dragon

Mss Lee
>>150028508

Literally the most arrogant bro comment devoid of any logical polemic.

Mss Lee
>>150028508

no one argued that tho - the faceless can obviously imbue all physical characteristics so why not the voice. Clown.