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2023-06-17 09:00:06
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Random question but does this show count as a shonen or a seinen?? On the netflix it says its a shonen jump but I have also heard that it is a seinen so I figured I would ask to see what you guys have to say. Definitely feels like a seinen more than a shonen imo


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Riya

Last:D google says shonen…def didn’t feel like it

HannahBanana

I consider it a shounen since it was released in a shounen jump magazine. Officially you go by the type of magazine a manga gets released in to determine its classification. Death Note certainly feels like a darker and more mature shounen than others, but ultimately it was released in a magazine aimed at teenage boys.

SK

By definition, it's a shonen due to its target demographic being teenagers, more specifically teenage boys. Seinen are target towards 18+(also specifically males) Vibe and content has nothing to do with it. It's pretty interesting because a lot of seinen are actually about cute girls doing cute things (like K-On or Kaguya-sama Love is War for example)

ssj4rit

In general shounen and seinen have nothing to do with how serious and dark a show is, it’s just the type of magazine a series is published in. There are dark shounen series (AoT, Death Note) and cutesy seinen series (K-On)

Yuri

Death note and Demon slayer were serialized in Weekly shonen(boy) jump of Shueisha. JJK is currently serialized on it. And yes,i think they are actually for Seinen. Attack on titan and Vinland saga are published by Kodansha. AOT and VS are more for adults than Shonen jump. That’s why their stories are deep and serious. Thanks to you guys, I started to watch VS and I’ve finished to watch S2 ep23. I can say it’s a masterpiece. Not many action but really good writing. VS is the best work to watch now. the world is unstable due to wars and other factors, this work provides an opportunity to think about what it means to fight and what is necessary to protect peace and livelihoods. The author of VS says he hates violence.(sorry for mentioning VS here)

Far

I'd say death note is a sheinen, something inbetween a shounen and seinen

fatou ੈ✩‧₊˚

I highhhhly believe that light was not corrupted by the death note, he is just like that, he always had this weird thoughts in the first episode, i also believe that if the current Light (without memories) come across a death note, he would become Kira again , 110% sure, simple example: Misa had a death note but her only goal was to meet the Kira who killed her parents murderers, never intended to b a murderer or anything i don’t believe the death note corrupts anyone, i’s just a killing book now the user does whatever it wants w it now it came across a smart childish teen who has a strong sense of justice from his father but who is bored as well .. deadlyy

Pepperoni Pony .

I think shonen jump will publish manga that sort of blur the line between shonen and seinen, or rather they'll publish seinen that will appeal to their target audience. While Light is technically a 'shonen', the anime follows zero of the common accepted tropes of the vast majority of shonen anime. Shonen protags typically are undeniably simple and good, otherworldly resolve/endurance, have hard heads, literally and figuratively, and large appetites (Goku, Gon, Naruto, Luffy, Tanjiro, Yuji, etc.). The stories usually involve a quest, like reaching some sort of goal- becoming the strongest, finding a loved one, defeating the big bad. The current wave of darker shonen, like Demon Slayer, Jujutsu Kaisen and Chainsaw Man sort of kind of straddle those lines. I think the first two are shonen borrowing seinen elements and Chainsaw Man is just a seinen tricking you into thinking it's a shonen.

Anju Stone

I would say death note is a shonen cause I grew up in Japan and I remember when I was in an elementary school everybody in my grade was reading death note on shonen jump but not anymore in middle school. I would call attack on titan a seinen cause it's more graphic (titans eating humans etc.) I heard the author of the series first took it to weekly shonen jump but got turned down for this reason so took it to Magazine and it was published there. I only read death note on jump like 20 years ago and never watched the anime so it's cool to watch it with you guys on your channel I forgot so much about what happened in the story!

ssj4rit

Saying it’s a seinen is like saying one punch man is like a magical girl series because it has some girls with super powers… You can say Death Note has elements of some traditionally dark seinen series, but it’s still a shounen. Shounen and seinen are determined by the type of magazine a series is published in, not the content. There are many light hearted, cutesy seinen series.

Maeve (edited)

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2023-07-04 12:19:38 Most series publish under shonen because it is more popular than seinen
2023-06-17 15:18:53 Most series publish under shonen because it is more popular than seinen

Most series publish under shonen because it is more popular than seinen

Maeve (edited)

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2023-07-04 12:19:38 Shonen is more of a genre It is more of a fighting teen manga like demon slayer and naruto
2023-06-17 15:25:20 Shonen is more of a genre It is more of a fighting teen manga like demon slayer and naruto

Shonen is more of a genre It is more of a fighting teen manga like demon slayer and naruto

bondbond53

I mean I'll be honest Death Note is dark and touches on various topics but it also feels like something a 14 year old would think is very complex and edgy so it's def a shonen

Max Grodman

Something being shonen is only down to what magazine it was released in. It’s all demographics not genre. Death note was in a shonen magazine so it’s shonen

Mia Malvik

A big reason Light chose to use the Death Note when he first encountered it was because of his intense boredom. I think people overlook this fact because boredom to most people is not a very serious thing because we'll just watch a movie and it's over with, but Light was experiencing a very brutal existential boredom where he had absolutely no outlet for the abilities he possessed. He was too smart for his own good, basically. It might not sound like a big deal, but it's a very real thing that for example kids who are more intelligent than average in school end up alienated from the world if their 'special needs' aren't met. Obviously most people won't turn into a murderous psychopath like Light, but it's a pretty solid foundation for the route he took. He needed a challenge, and his mind created this whole narrative of him being a God that'll save the world to 'excuse' his actions because he really was that desperate. Also, I think the biggest reason that Light after losing his memory doesn't even entertain the idea of using the notebook is because of the very different circumstances he's finding himself in. He's literally in the middle of the biggest murder investigation to date, and he's getting to use his freaking mega brain for something good for once. Keep in mind he's only around 18 here. I also find it interesting how similar L and Light are, I'm not particularly interested in who's technically smarter, but the idea that if L for example was put in Light's situation of discovering a Death Note at a similar point in his life, you can't for certain rule out the the possibility of him taking a similar route. Who knows though

kiiturii

next episode it's time for the best opening in anime history

MaraReaper

Hype for the new intro

Ale

As some people already state, the shonen and seinen (also shoujo and josei) are just demographics, and it's related to the magazine a Manga is publish not so on the content of the story. Most of the time we as consumers use the term to identify what the show will be about, but in reality it has nothing to do with it. You will see that there is a lot of Shonen animes that doesn't fit the "it's about fights and supernatural powers" theme.

Joie Dianzon (edited)

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2023-06-26 09:02:02 I removed my initial comment because somebody misunderstood my explanation so here is the general rule as to how they categorize Shounen and Seinen (no, it's not about the magazine): "Shounen and seinen are both manga and anime genres, but they cater to different demographics. Shounen is targeted towards a younger male audience, typically between the ages of 12 and 18, and focuses on themes of action, adventure, and coming of age. Seinen, on the other hand, is geared towards an older male audience, typically between the ages of 18 and 40, and deals with more mature themes such as politics, sexuality, and violence". Therefore, this is why I think DN is more of a seinen. But it also depends on which demographic is more attracted to the story and by the way it was described, it's more of a dark-themed shounen. Shounen Jump just happens to be more popular because majority of its consumers are with ages teens to adult. Of course, authors would rather have more readers regardless of their target audience.
2023-06-18 03:15:22 I removed my initial comment because somebody misunderstood my explanation so here is the general rule as to how they categorize Shounen and Seinen (no, it's not about the magazine): "Shounen and seinen are both manga and anime genres, but they cater to different demographics. Shounen is targeted towards a younger male audience, typically between the ages of 12 and 18, and focuses on themes of action, adventure, and coming of age. Seinen, on the other hand, is geared towards an older male audience, typically between the ages of 18 and 40, and deals with more mature themes such as politics, sexuality, and violence". Therefore, this is why I think DN is more of a seinen. But it also depends on which demographic is more attracted to the story and by the way it was described, it's more of a dark-themed shounen. Shounen Jump just happens to be more popular because majority of its consumers are with ages teens to adult. Of course, authors would rather have more readers regardless of their target audience.

I removed my initial comment because somebody misunderstood my explanation so here is the general rule as to how they categorize Shounen and Seinen (no, it's not about the magazine): "Shounen and seinen are both manga and anime genres, but they cater to different demographics. Shounen is targeted towards a younger male audience, typically between the ages of 12 and 18, and focuses on themes of action, adventure, and coming of age. Seinen, on the other hand, is geared towards an older male audience, typically between the ages of 18 and 40, and deals with more mature themes such as politics, sexuality, and violence". Therefore, this is why I think DN is more of a seinen. But it also depends on which demographic is more attracted to the story and by the way it was described, it's more of a dark-themed shounen. Shounen Jump just happens to be more popular because majority of its consumers are with ages teens to adult. Of course, authors would rather have more readers regardless of their target audience.

Michael Corleone
>>110966194

Shounen and Seinen are solely based on the magazine a manga is published in, objectively. This is literally just a fact. As you said, it's about demographics (age/gender if you include shoujo and josei) and magazines know their demographics. What you described was the basis of how shounen and seinen magazines pick what manga they want to publish but 1. There are many exceptions and 2. fundamentally, if a manga is in a shounen magazine, it's a shounen manga, regardless of its maturity and vice versa.

Joie Dianzon (edited)

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2023-06-26 09:02:04 I deleted my previous reply educating you as to why magazines are not the correct way to categorize them but I did my research and realized that for years, people already have this argument in Japan. In the early days, shounen magazines like Jump used to limit their audience for preteen boys and it was expected to have contents appropriate for their age. As the new generation evolves (business and marketing strategy), it seems that they identify it as shounen as long as it is under Shounen Jump (like how you understand it). So, it does lead to arguments in terms of categorization and even complaints from parents (AOT and Elfen Lied). 😂😂😂 So these days, people don't interpret "Shounen" as for preteens/ teens only, consumers now look at manga based on the rating and genre.. which is probably a wiser move. I don't even know why you are arguing because my last statement already said that Shounen Jump caters to teens and adults already since its so popular (read the last paragraph). 😑 So, to answer Studio Gek, DN is a supernatural, psychological thriller which is probably PG13 in your US ratings. Because shounen and seinen now has different contexts, apparently. Even if there are naked chicks and bed scenes in there, if it's under Shounen Jump, it's a shounen (for God's sake). This is also probably why you are getting different answers (also cultural differences, I heard). Go for the answer that is aligned with your mindset. For me, I really think it's Seinen based on its original meaning. Nevermind the arguments. 😁
2023-06-18 10:24:14 I deleted my previous reply educating you as to why magazines are not the correct way to categorize them but I did my research and realized that for years, people already have this argument in Japan. In the early days, shounen magazines like Jump used to limit their audience for preteen boys and it was expected to have contents appropriate for their age. As the new generation evolves (business and marketing strategy), it seems that they identify it as shounen as long as it is under Shounen Jump (like how you understand it). So, it does lead to arguments in terms of categorization and even complaints from parents (AOT and Elfen Lied). 😂😂😂 So these days, people don't interpret "Shounen" as for preteens/ teens only, consumers now look at manga based on the rating and genre.. which is probably a wiser move. I don't even know why you are arguing because my last statement already said that Shounen Jump caters to teens and adults already since its so popular (read the last paragraph). 😑 So, to answer Studio Gek, DN is a supernatural, psychological thriller which is probably PG13 in your US ratings. Because shounen and seinen now has different contexts, apparently. Even if there are naked chicks and bed scenes in there, if it's under Shounen Jump, it's a shounen (for God's sake). This is also probably why you are getting different answers (also cultural differences, I heard). Go for the answer that is aligned with your mindset. For me, I really think it's Seinen based on its original meaning. Nevermind the arguments. 😁
>>110966194

I deleted my previous reply educating you as to why magazines are not the correct way to categorize them but I did my research and realized that for years, people already have this argument in Japan. In the early days, shounen magazines like Jump used to limit their audience for preteen boys and it was expected to have contents appropriate for their age. As the new generation evolves (business and marketing strategy), it seems that they identify it as shounen as long as it is under Shounen Jump (like how you understand it). So, it does lead to arguments in terms of categorization and even complaints from parents (AOT and Elfen Lied). 😂😂😂 So these days, people don't interpret "Shounen" as for preteens/ teens only, consumers now look at manga based on the rating and genre.. which is probably a wiser move. I don't even know why you are arguing because my last statement already said that Shounen Jump caters to teens and adults already since its so popular (read the last paragraph). 😑 So, to answer Studio Gek, DN is a supernatural, psychological thriller which is probably PG13 in your US ratings. Because shounen and seinen now has different contexts, apparently. Even if there are naked chicks and bed scenes in there, if it's under Shounen Jump, it's a shounen (for God's sake). This is also probably why you are getting different answers (also cultural differences, I heard). Go for the answer that is aligned with your mindset. For me, I really think it's Seinen based on its original meaning. Nevermind the arguments. 😁

Emily

when the next anime poll gonna start really want yall to watch assassination classroom

The RZA

Tokyo Revengers ;p

IchiGoat (edited)

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2023-06-26 09:02:02 cant wait for the jjk movie let’s goooooo
2023-06-18 20:39:10 cant wait for the jjk movie let’s goooooo

cant wait for the jjk movie let’s goooooo

Bibi

would love for yall to include Haikyuu on the next anime poll 🙏 it's my favorite anime after AOT! I think Carter and Cannon will love it for the characters and emotional scenes as well as the hyped moments

Ninjinzo

it's shonen

Joie Dianzon (edited)

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2023-06-26 09:02:04 I think they will be annoyed. But Haikyuu is a good choice for people who are curious about sports anime. 🥰
2023-06-19 02:06:27 I think they will be annoyed. But Haikyuu is a good choice for people who are curious about sports anime. 🥰
>>111011503

I think they will be annoyed. But Haikyuu is a good choice for people who are curious about sports anime. 🥰

Josh Knoebel
>>111011503

Sun level hot take. Haikyuu is my goat anime. It has all the positive components of a shonen with very little plot armor. Sound track is fantastic, character development is fantastic, pacing is perfect (no filler, just progress), adversity feels real and consequences actually exist, and most importantly, there aren't any villains. Just high school dudes playing volleyball and wanting to win, which I think the guys would really connect with. As a volleyball player myself, it stays shockingly on target to actual realistic volleyball (aside from one thing that gets focused on and then pretty much ignored the rest of the show...)

Bibi
>>111011503

@Josh Knoebel perfectly stated 😊 I think the reason Haikyuu is realistic is because the author was a volleyball player and during one of the arcs they went to a volleyball place (can't say where to prevent spoiling) to learn about how training works in order to write it realistically 💜

fatou (edited)

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2023-06-26 09:01:48 can u guys respect ur schedule plsss ! i was so looking forward to watch the next 2 episodes today .. i cann't😞
2023-06-20 20:03:51 can u guys respect ur schedule plsss ! i was so looking forward to watch the next 2 episodes today .. i cann't😞

can u guys respect ur schedule plsss ! i was so looking forward to watch the next 2 episodes today .. i cann't😞

fatou (edited)

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2023-06-26 09:01:48 lol it’s not about that, it’s kinda frustrating for me cause when a schedule is made i expect it to be that way , like i fisnish work and sooo excited to watch reactions, and nothing
2023-06-22 08:25:06 lol it’s not about that, it’s kinda frustrating for me cause when a schedule is made i expect it to be that way , like i fisnish work and sooo excited to watch reactions, and nothing

lol it’s not about that, it’s kinda frustrating for me cause when a schedule is made i expect it to be that way , like i fisnish work and sooo excited to watch reactions, and nothing

Sean Carroll
>>111151195

i dont really have much of a problem with it but there have been multiple times where they say episodes will come out at a certain time or day but they dont and we are left wondering whats going on.

fatou (edited)

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2023-06-26 09:02:03 that’s what I meant, if i know there would be for eg 2 episodes a week , it’s fine , but if episodes are announced to drop but then they don’t for days, im curious about why
2023-06-22 09:42:18 that’s what I meant, if i know there would be for eg 2 episodes a week , it’s fine , but if episodes are announced to drop but then they don’t for days, im curious about why
>>111151195

that’s what I meant, if i know there would be for eg 2 episodes a week , it’s fine , but if episodes are announced to drop but then they don’t for days, im curious about why

Brian Estepa
>>110966194

wtf does gender have to do with it? age is self explanatory, but I can't help but think you guys are just making shit up.

MasterElodin
>>110966194

Gender has something to do with it because of the way characters in a work are displayed. If something is mainly targeted at a teenage male audience there will be a lot more hot girl characters than if it were targeted at a female audience just for one example.