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Episode 811: The meaning crisis with Dr. Aaron (Patreon)

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2024-12-15 01:29:14
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Tom is off this week and I am joined by Aaron Rabinowitz Ph.D. to talk about his latest article in the Skeptic UK: https://www.skeptic.org.uk/2024/11/the-meaning-crisis-and-how-we-rescue-young-men-from-reactionary-politics/

Also check out

https://creatoraccountabilitynetwork.org/

And follow Aaron on Bluesky at https://bsky.app/profile/etvpod.bsky.social

 

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Winter wiorkowski

I’m not going to lie - I haven’t listened to the entire episode yet, but the general idea seems to address something I’ve been wondering about … My mom, who was born in 1938, was one of those trailblazer women who said ‘fuck you all I’m going to have a career!’ - more than I knew previously having found a lot of pictures when I moved of her really crappy and poor life in rural Texas growing up … I’m super thankful for what she did - as a late transitioning FTM transman if not for women like her I wouldn’t have been able to get a PhD … When I watch movies from say the 1960s - men had the vast majority of the jobs with women mostly as support individuals in most places … Fast forward to the 80s and computers started taking over a lot of those support roles which allowed more women into the workplace - which is great - that’s when I was benefiting from the groundwork people like my mom laid … Now, colleges have predominantly female students - it’s close but I think it’s 52% are now female … the program I work for is to train people to be psychologists in public schools and so much of the program is female that I was misgendering a man named Alex for a full semester because I just assumed he was female … So here’s the question - in the 1950s and 60s men held the majority of jobs, with women in support roles - then computers freed up a good number of those women to pursue other careers - but unless something significant changed in gender birth rates men were now competing with women for a lowering number of jobs … just to be simplistic the number of people available to fill any given job doubled … Now colleges have predominantly female students and technology is continuing to reduce the number of jobs out there - so my ultimate question is what the hell are men doing for careers? Because it seems to me that the number of jobs are going down but the number of qualified workers has essentially doubled … (This is turning into something a bit economic and my PhD is in a social science field so it is entirely possible that there is another variable I’m just not seeing - I’m always open to the idea that I’m the source of error :)

Asymetra

Reading the Kevin Sorbo quote, I immediately thought of one of the tenets of skepticism: Never take advice from a bad actor.

Asymetra
>>158320927

"Would you like fries with that?" As Carl Sagan noted, our society has shifted from predominantly production to a service economy. Ironically, it was women that started out doing a lot of the programming because programming was seen as feminine since it involved typing. I'm not going to have an answer for you, just more thoughts (no prayers). One of the things you bring up occurred near the beginning of the Industrial Revolution. People primarily worked from home, where family life revolved. The Industrial Revolution pulled families out of homes and into factories (children more often than not moved hundreds of miles to work in factories as well as receive an education). This disrupted family life greatly as well as their sources of income. People turned to the gov't and the wealthy (the main beneficiaries of Industry) to help society transition into the new way of things. They were ignored (the gov't was essentially the wealthy anyway), so the lashed out and destroyed machinery. In the end, they were defeated in more ways than one. The winners (gov't and the wealthy) turned the movement name into a moniker for people who were afraid of technology: Luddites. Luddites weren't afraid of technology, they were concerned about capitalisms effect on their family. Recall that conservatives are all about family as well as capitalism. Capitalism cares about money not family (nor meaning). They don't even realize this disconnect. The manosphere also has it's roots in the Industrial Revolution. While men were off working in factories, boys were left to be raised by mom and educated by women. The solution to this was, of course, more manliness.

Winter wiorkowski
>>158320927

That’s really interesting - thanks! I was so afraid I was going to mis-explain myself and have a bunch of comments calling me sexist! It’s sad that the whole appeal of technology initially was having more leisure time while technology did the shit work and it has become technology replacing jobs and making people work extra hard for the jobs there are because there is a surplus of workers - this is ideal for the people at the top who benefit from capitalism because they can get the most work for the least money … Then there’s AI - I’m told my job will be taken over by AI in the relatively near future (though the more times I scream ‘representative!’ Into the phone and get stuck in death spirals on those AI bots on every website on earth makes me doubt that … also with Trump being re-elected I figure my lifespan is in the 3-5 year range being trans - so none of this is really ever going to be my problem) - it’s ironic that the ultra wealthy don’t know how to do much of anything but are so sure they can run the world completely by themselves …

Laura Friedman

Sorry this interview was so insulting to females I had to stop listening.

Jay Voigt
>>158432069

How is a discussion about toxic masculinity and male privilege "insulting to females"? Edit: I'm not asking just to be difficult, I am genuinely curious. I finished this episode and I don't know how I felt about all of it, but I didn't feel like they were bashing women at all.

Katy Stuck
>>158432069

I didn’t have this experience, but did find his analysis of the bear/man issue lacking. He seems to be approaching it from the position of his male followers and the real impact it has had on their social anxiety instead of it trying to demonstrate to often-oblivious men what women experience moving around in the world. In a way, I understand that. The man/bear comparison had no impact on my life and how I am living it. But it has apparently reached some non-predatory guys that men can be really frightening for us, which is influencing their internal dialogue and actions, both positivity and negatively. I just feel like he wasn’t really getting it, but not that he was insulting or belittling women.