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Cog Diss Book Club (Patreon)

Published:
2022-06-17 21:47:34
Imported:
2024-12

Poll

Cog Diss Book Club

  • Rise of the Warrior Cop - Radley Balko 128
  • White Fragility - Robin DiAngelo 114
  • The Righteous Mind - Jonathan Haidt 53
  • See comments 17
  • 2022-06-17
  • 312 votes
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Content

Hi Everyone, 

We are going to start Cog Diss book club back up. After some discussion and reading feedback we think that this particular portion of the show would be better served as a patron only show. So once a month we are planning on posting a single show that will be only for patrons where we exclusively cover the reading. 

Our plan is to create this as patron content because we feel discussions are much better here , the audience is much more engaged, and likely to participate. So we expect to start our next book club book in less than a week.

To be up front we are planning on charging for this post. This is a pretty large chuck of our time to create this content. That being said we want to let people know that they can cap their pledge at any time (https://support.patreon.com/hc/en-us/articles/115002984506-How-do-I-set-a-monthly-max-to-my-pledge-) no hard feelings. We fund a whole team with your donations - and that cost almost never goes down. We thank you for your continued support.

We put up this poll for the next book. There are three options BUT if you want you can suggest a book and then in the comments get others to join your suggestion. If enough people comment that they want the book you suggest we will do that instead of the other three poll options. Here are links to the books so you can read the descriptions:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rise_of_the_Warrior_Cop

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Fragility

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Righteous_Mind

Comments

Stonedbanana

Couldn't make it an easier choice huh?

Heathen Cafe

I just read The Founding Myth by Andrew Seidel. That would be a good one. As a recovered Christian who has hung onto the notion that maybe religion isn't so bad because it teaches morality, I was shocked to learn how racist even the most universal of the 10 commandments are. I.e. - thou shalt not kill... other people who share your religion.

Jabbles

Well it's a book club, so it makes sense that it's for Patrons only.

Tressa Breen

“Rise of the Warrior Cop” absolutely.

Adrian the science enthusiast

I definitely am keen to hear a book I haven’t read before so i’d love it. It would be something new and interesting

SilentDis

Great choices, and I stand by my vote for Rise of the Warrior Cop. Just curious, have you given thought to more progressive fiction titles as well?

Anna Samantha-Rose Organa

Looking forward to it! I would definitely recommend avoiding "White Fragility" though as I've heard a lot of iffy reviews (one, for instance, on YouTube by ThePoptimist) talking about how it's written by a white woman who wasn't really adding anything new to the conversation about race, yet keeps making money on book after book about race. I think "Angry White Men: American Masculinity at the End of an Era" by Michael Kimmel and "Minor Feelings: An Asian American Reckoning" by Cathy Park Hong are some of the most insightful books on race that I've ever read; and Angry White Men could complement some of the work Tom is doing on Dear Old Dads. "The 1619 Project: A New Origin Story" is another read that might be worth it.

Ian from wine country

For a future selection, I would love "White Like Me" by Tim Wise. It's the book that made me understand the concept of privilege, as well as challenging many of my previously conservative concepts of race dynamics

Cheryl
>>86019451

While I’ve not yet read “White Fragility.” I just got it a couple weeks ago and just haven’t had the time yet. I’ve read the summary, and skimmed a few pages when I first received it, and I’ve watched interviews in which Robin DiAngelo has spoken about “White Fragility” and another of her books, “Nice Racism.” She’s actually very knowledgeable about the intersecting topics of white privilege, institutionalized racism, white superiority, racial injustice, and systemic racism. Seeing one of her interviews is how I became interested in reading her book. Robin has been writing, educating, and professionally consulting for over 20 years about topics and issues involving racial and social justice. Previously, she was a tenured college professor at Westfield University where she taught multiculturalism and societal diversity studies. She really knows her stuff. She definitely doesn’t write, teach, or speak from a perspective of those who are being oppressed by societal racism; rather, her goal is to explain the emotions and fears of average white people, who don’t see themselves as racist, and the unconscious biases that challenge the ability and willingness of white people to honestly confront their prejudices and commit to changing. If you have a chance to check out any of her interviews, I definitely recommend you do. It might change your mind about reading her book. ☺️

Cheryl
>>86025195

I was going to suggest that book too! I’m in the middle of it now! It’s a fantastic and thought provoking book that aims to encourage white people to engage in personal introspection and self reflection into our misunderstandings about our own societal privileges that we take for granted without thinking about it, and how such mindlessness, though unintentional, can be insidious, and is a major contributor to racial inequality and the endurance of systemic racism in America; oftentimes even more so than the overt, hateful brand of racism perpetuated by white supremacists.

Cheryl

Great choices! I already have them all! I’ll also second the suggestion of “White Like Me” by Tim Wise. Also: “Redeeming Justice” by Jarrett Adams “The Fourth Turning” by William Strauss and Neil Howe “Corrections in Ink” by Keri Blakinger “The New Jim Crow” by Michelle Alexander “How to be an Anti-Racist” by Ibram X. Kendi “Just Mercy” by Bryan Stevenson “Blind Injustice” by Mark Godley “Getting Life” by Michael Morton “What it Means to Be Moral” by Phil Zuckerman “Atheism on Trial” by W. Mark Lanier Also, perhaps Noah’s book and/or one of Seth’s books …

Anna Samantha-Rose Organa
>>86019451

If you've gotten something out of consuming her work then that's great. Personally, I've got a long wishlist by authors of color about race that I'll happily read first. I'm not saying she's incompetent, or anything, just that I've seen/read a number of people of color who think she hasn't said anything that PoC haven't already said and written extensively about and that it annoyed a number of authors of color that in an already so limited market for books by authors of color, she takes up a ton of the attention and was topping the charts when BLM had a lot of attention a couple years back. Also, Tom and Cecil are both white, so reading a book by a person of color (or something like Rise of the Warrior Cop, which has a very specific area of study in mind) would be really interesting. Speaking for myself, if they decided to read a book about, for instance, trans people for the club and picked an author that's wasn't trans, it would be pretty frustrating.

SilentDis
>>86033030

Ibram X. Kendi's "How to be an Anti-Racist" was very well done.

Brandi Mattison

The Founding Myth would be a great one to feature in this book club! Andrew Seidel is as brilliant as he is beautiful. I’m interested to hear what you all think of The Founding Myth.

Ryan Parker

Rise of the Warrior Cop is amazing. And will infuriate you. But I’ve read it. So I’ve got to go with something else. That said? Everyone should read that book. Another one that I would suggest that was great, but will also infuriate you? Is “The Divide” by Matt Taibbi.

Godless Goth

If you're interested in doing something WELL off the beaten path, I have a few suggestions for you. You've expressed shock and anger in the past about how much funerals cost and such, and I noticed one of this week's stories is about right-to-die laws. That in mind, you might like to read these: The American Way of Death by Jessica Mitford Being Mortal by Atul Gawande After We Die by Norman L. Cantor

Godless Goth
>>86125139

Jessica Mitford's book details the rise of our current industry of overpriced funerals, the sneaky, scummy, and occasionally downright criminal acts that caused the FTC to get involved, and what (if anything) has changed since the first edition was published. Being Mortal discusses modern medicine's approach to end-of-life care, and how unnecessary interventions to escape death can impact the quality of the time we have left rather than giving us more time. After We Die talks about who gets control of what after you kick it, and other such things. I haven't finished it but it's a great read so far with good reviews.

Richard Stifle

I voted for warrior cop, but I also think Mortality by Hitchens would be good, because I think atheists dealing with death and loss is a subject that should continue to be explored.

Mal Bishop

I think reading The Righteous Mind first will deepen our understanding of the content of the other two.

Brian [I'll add something witty when the amount of caffine in my system reaches critical mass]

The Righteous Mind: Why Good People are Divided by Politics and Religion goes in depth on morality and why people think they are doing the right thing, even when it hurts others. I borrowed The Righteous Mind from the library and got through 4 chapters before I had to return it. What I read was really interesting and Jonathan Haidt lays out the groundwork in a way that helps understand why people believe they are doing the right thing. I'm definitely going to get it again when my kids are a couple of years older and don't like me anymore so I'll have time to read. In the meantime I would love to hear the guys discuss the book.

Dean Russo

If White Fragility emerges as the book club selection, I encourage Woke Racism by John McWhorter as a balancing viewpoint, either as a follow-up or in parallel. He provides criticism of the Anti-Racist movement, as a black man, that in my reading alternates between well-reasoned counterpoint and childish name-calling, but is on balance worthwhile time spent.