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Haikyu!! 4x7 Reaction- Return (YouTube Version) (Patreon)

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I feel like the opinions will be FLYING this episode, so let's hear them. I'm ready!!

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Volleyball Couple Reaction to Haikyu!! S4E7: "Return"

Professional volleyball player and World Champion Sarah Pavan shares her love of Haikyu!! with her husband/coach and former volleyball athlete, Adam. Edited by: Lydia Xu Source Materials: "Return." Haikyu!! To The Top. Writ. Taku Kishimoto, Dir. Hideya Itō, Sentai Filmworks, 2020. ☆ SUBSCRIBE ☆ http://youtube.com/c/SarahPavanVolleyball?sub_confirmation=1 ↓ WATCH NEXT ↓ HAIKYU!! REACTION PLAYLIST!: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLphzTUGYzuZIZqWcWC4ANuJNw-mGxECHf HAIKYU!! ANALYSIS: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLphzTUGYzuZK3g8txM2ROtNDTn6WkHTQS ORIGINAL 4x7 REACTION: https://youtu.be/Wna6L1lZHm0 WATCH MORE ANIME WITH ME: youtube.com/@UCEl2bW3KPG5t326im2aV1AQ ☆ FOLLOW ME AT: ☆ Patreon: http://patreon.com/SarahPavan Blog: http://sarahpavan.com Instagram: http://instagram.com/sarah_pavan TikTok: http://tiktok.com/@sarah_pavan Facebook: http://facebook.com/SarahPavanOfficial Twitter: http://twitter.com/SarahPavan ✧ ✧ ✧ ✧ ✧ Sarah Pavan is a Canadian beach volleyball Olympian and World Champion. She is the 3-time FIVB World Tour Best Blocker, and one half of 2019’s Most Outstanding Team. Before playing beach volleyball, Sarah Pavan was one of the world’s top indoor volleyball players. She had an impressive professional career in Italy, Brazil, South Korea, and China, and represented the Canadian Indoor National Team. On this channel, Sarah shares everything you want to know about volleyball, from beginner skills all the way to the more advanced levels. You can find volleyball drills, how-to skill technique, sport-specific strength and conditioning exercises, strategy, and more. This is a great place to learn about volleyball from someone who has played at the highest levels in the world, both indoor and on the sand.

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MasterPpv

One of the things that I think added to Kageyama's frustration in this game is that each of the hitters on Karasuno is working on new tools and trying new things, and that's part of why they're not doing as well (they're using the practice game the exact way a practice should be used), but Kageyama isn't aware of that. In a way, he's kind of treating it like a match they need to win, and so he's getting frustrated at people because he's so focused on the match (and inward, partially) that he doesn't realize they're not just doing the same thing they normally do. I think if he had realized that Asahi was trying to work on x, and Tanaka was trying to work on y, etc., that he might have had a bit more patience.

Lixien

Yeah, the issue here is that you can't tell the tone he's using in japanese. Like Adam said, it's not what he's saying but how is he saying it. When Tanaka said that he should say it in a nicer way it was when he just screamed: "you're getting in the way" not when he explained it afterwards. That was fine. Tsukki is rude but usually to people the same age. He's kinda sassy with people like Nishinoya or Tanaka but in not serious situations like making fun of how short Nishinoya is outside of matches when they were eating or his naming sense , he has never been rude when it comes to things like giving instructions or talking while in a match to seniors. Only to Kageyama or Hinata. Also it's ironic, because the: "make the damn point" in the subtitles is actually ruder than what he's saying lol.

Yong Sen

just a comment while watching the start, Japan culture (as you guys probably experienced before too) is very hierarchical. What Tsuki did or said, he did not do it in front of his seniors but usually people of his age. Noya is Kageyama senior so regardless of how harmless his words were intended, it still sounded quite rude for Japanese people. I dont recall Tsuki or Ushijima directly calling their seniors out. It's weird to relate too from a western culture, but just some background.

FTN Chicken

As someone who stopped playing extra-curricular sports after middle school, the commentary especially in these last couple episodes has been really illuminating for me. I enjoyed Kageyama's character development in the episode, but I never caught on to all the other team dynamic related things that were also going on.

Puddleglum

Hinata re-crowning Kageyama makes me tear up, probably more than it should. I mean, because of Kageyama's middle school trauma, he's mostly just been accommodating his teammates without pushing them or giving much for feedback out of fear. And that was a good and necessary phase for him to go through, to learn how to listen and be receptive to others. But his experiences at the national youth camp made him realize he does have more to offer and can actually make his team better. The problem is he sucks at communicating and ended up trapped between the fear of his past and the value he knows he can bring if he could just figure out how to express it. Then Hinata comes to his rescue and essentially says, "yeah, we know who you are and we accept who you are, so you better accept it too so we can all figure this out together."

Girish

I don't fully understand - what's the difference between Oikawa's style and this episode's kageyama's style? Did kageyama didn't interpret Oikawa's advice properly? Or is Oikawa's setter's philosophy not enough?

Kenise Harvey

I love it. The 🤴 👑 is back! Hinata being that ball of sunshine and great communicator that he is as always. Glad the team talked it out. I can see both sides especially if Kageyama is blunt but not necessarily to the upper classes and up to that he had mellowed out drastically since season 1 so it mightve caught everyone off guard; however I think that had to do more with tone rather than what was being said. Again though as they stated later nothing he really said was weird and they all thought he was the best. W Episode and W team.

Em

I know a few people have already mentioned it, I'm just one more person who's going to touch on the cultural aspects of these past two episodes since Sarah (understandably) questioned why the characters are taking an issue with Kageyama and not Tsukki when they both appear to sometimes speak rudely. This isn't actually about their attitudes in general- it's about the Japanese social hierarchy. Kageyama's typical directness isn't the problem, it's this SPECIFIC incident where his word choice toward a senior sounded quite rude (no matter what he intended), and it's difficult to convey in English translations both because the English language doesn't have the same types of grammatical politeness as Japanese AND because we in English-speaking western countries really don't have a cultural framework equivalent to what's happening here. In contrast, Tsukki has an attitude problem for sure but the difference is that he's aware of how to navigate the social hierarchy. He and the other first years are on the same "level" socially, so the rude way he talks to Kageyama and Hinata is more or less socially acceptable from a hierarchy perspective, even if it isn't nice lol (and others have pointed out that he often displays his meanest behavior away from the upperclassmen) and Tsukki ALWAYS speaks with the appropriate amount of grammatical politeness to the upperclassmen, even if he sounds unenthusiastic or sarcastic. And he's careful to phrase things in a way that don't come across as argumentative or challenging, which is also important. To be clear though, I really feel for Kageyama because most of the time he's being genuine, he just has trouble with social cues and such ;;

Natalie A
>>162271331

I feel like Oikawa’s style is all about ‘bringing the best out of his spikers’: his skill is easily picking out their individual strengths as hitters and setting in a way that emphasises those strengths. When he asked Kageyama to give Hinata the balls he wants, he’s kind of giving the kind of advice that is the foundation of his style, but Kageyama, still burned by his middle school alienation, took his advice too far and interpreted it as him needing to placate his spikers/completely cater to them/ don’t rock the boat at all. That doesn’t lead to growth for either him OR the spikers. And on the other end, we have Atsumu who uses his spikers’ strengths but also pushes them out of their comfort zone with his sets to make them more versatile spikers overall

Lemon

Running around the universe is a tacit game between the sun and the shadow. - I don't like flat soda, It's a similar feeling to my love for watching Kageyama and Hinata race. - Haikyu makes good use of running as a metaphor. Kageyama and Hinata are stubborn about running, corresponding to the vigor of youth. They can run so fast, all thanks to this just-right lack of intelligence. The past hardships and the obstacles ahead are all cleverly left behind in the wind by the idiots who shout and run forward. - Perhaps it was a special tacit understanding between single cells. Even before their rivalry began, the life paths of Kageyama and Hinata had started to synchronize in a mysterious way. Hinata never had the chance to receive formal volleyball training, while Kageyama was struggling with the psychological shadow of not getting a response when passing the ball. Different circumstances, yet similar loneliness. Even the most obtuse child would be confused by this: Is it only my soul that is as restless as a bottle of boiling soda? The period of loneliness ended when they found in each other the reason to deny this thought. - Becoming a "companion" means deeply understanding each other's imperfections, and it is precisely these imperfections that allow the gears to mesh. That period of time when there was no communication except for passing the ball was a precious opportunity. The sun and the shadow will eventually discover a tacit understanding that doesn't require words. If at the first meeting, Hinata accepted the challenge of "heading to the biggest stage" only half-heartedly as a declaration of war against Kageyama, then the argument in the second season represented Hinata's realization of his own subjectivity as a middle blocker. Rather than the narrative that "there would be no shadow without the sun," I think from Hinata's perspective, it was the existence of the shadow that made him realize he had the potential to become the sun. As for Kageyama, this argument merely meant a change in technique, and finally, no one completely denied him based on his personality this time. Hinata's determined jump before the revival of the monster fast attack was a signal of unconditional trust. He knew that Kageyama didn't pass the ball because he was worried that there was no hope of winning at the moment. And the jump before dawn was a new hope created by the sun for the shadow. Hinata may not understand why the king remains silent about the past, but he is willing to crown him. - Kageyama is not good at expressing himself, yet he launched countless boke attacks on Hinata. He must not have learned it by himself; his master is Iwaizumi, who calls Oikawa like that. Perhaps since then, Kageyama has vaguely believed that behind this nickname lies a relationship that he can fully trust. The comfort and encouragement he gives Hinata often require careful consideration to understand the intention, yet Hinata can always respond immediately. Whether it's a lucky hit or Kageyama’s intention, they must understand each other well enough. Only two people who have exposed their backs to each other can form a way of getting along that seems "strange" to others. Strangely quarreling, strangely making an appointment for tomorrow. Just like the scene of them always running side by side, they have run a long way strangely like this. Along the way, they always bicker over unimportant things, never getting bored. The reckless teenagers have no end. In the universe, the sun is strong, the shadow is gentle, and the soul keeps bubbling.

Queenie Ting

I can understand that cultural differences may lead to your defense and confusion, but the story's setting and characters are based in a Japanese student sports club. On this point, I don't believe there is any deviation in the author's portrayal. And Tsukishima had never spoken to a senior like that, his remarks were directed at his peers. This distinction is very important in Japanese sports culture. Therefore, the response from Karasuno High School's seniors is truly incredibly valuable to Kageyama. I can only say that in the context of Japan's sports culture, the phrases Kageyama used (which are difficult to translate into English with the same nuances) are not quite appropriate for speaking to seniors. There are better phrases he could use.

Crimson

Weren't you in Korea before? You should've know "seniority" culture at least from East Asian POV? So I don't understand your confusion. It's clear Kageyama talk rudely to senior while Tsukishima is sarcastic he never talked rudely to senior.

detmetrius demarcus bartolomew james III jr

its the tone of how kageyama says it. seniority in east asian culture is alot more important than in the west. kageyama was being somewhat disrespectful.

riddle

The thing is, Kageyama didn't even say "then make the damn point" in Japanese when he talked back to Asahi 😆 But the subtitles were translated that way to bring across the tone he used, because if they translated it to something like "then please score", it may not have seemed as serious? I think the translation was done well even though it wasn't a 1-to-1 translation because it feels really jarring and rude, which is how it's supposed to feel to the characters.

riddle

Kageyama is my favorite character in Haikyuu, and I'm really similar to him in a lot of ways, so every episode since that goody two shoes episode made me feel sooo sad for him since I could feel how tense he was and how much that comment shook him up. The scene in this episode where he apologizes to his team really broke my heart. 🥺 Kageyama was blessed to have a good team where his teammates understand him and know about his past. And in that moment he's scared that the good relationship he built with his team was just ruined and he'd go back to how things were when he was in middle school. I'm happy for him that his teammates are kind and understanding and know him enough to talk it out and work through it so as not to create another barrier between them.

detmetrius demarcus bartolomew james III jr

ive often seen the fanbase say oikawa and atsumu are different types of setters with atsumu giving his idea of best and oikawa giving his teammates preference, but theyre one and the same. oikawa challenges kindaichi n we've seen him do the same. its just kageyama misinterpreted what oikawa meant by being a good setter and became too obedient imo.

Em
>>162297333

Yes! I really like how they translated this line, and it's a good translation BECAUSE it's not 1-to-1. Don't let a small subset of the anime community fool you, conveying intent is much more important than translating literally when it comes to making a good translation, and that's exactly what the translators did here.

riddle
>>162298799

I've seen people say that all the time and it annoys me!!! I think people just like atsumu too much lol

riddle
>>162297333

yep yep! i actually typed up a bit about my opinions about the subtitles and localizations and then deleted my whole comment since i didnt wanna be too repetitve about it lol.

riddle

Since we're in the topic of social hierarchy/honorifics, I wanted to add a little more about something that comes up a lot in Haikyuu. You may not have noticed, but in the episodes where we see Nekoma, Lev often gets really hyped up and accidentally "talks down" (uses a lower level of speech) to Kenma. And immediately afterward he's always like "omg I'm so sorry, that was out of line", and Kenma is always like "it's fine I told you I don't care about stuff like that". It happens quite often, but in this case, Kenma doesn't mind. Lev probably knows that Kenma doesn't mind since Kenma always tells him that he doesn't care, but apologizing about it is still the polite thing to do. When Hinata meets Kenma for the first time and finds out Kenma's a second year he also goes "Crap! You're a sempai, I'm so sorry" LOL. Probably because he's conscious of the fact that he was being too casual with him and there's ~supposed~ to be a social barrier between them, but Kenma tells him he doesn't like doing that in sports. Kenma's an exception though, so you shouldn't assume everyone will think that way.

suckishima (kim)

Sarah’s got an interesting point about Kageyama getting called out where Tsukishima doesn’t. I think the main difference is that Kageyama gives little thought to how he says things and will be blunt and occasionally harsh to anyone and everyone, whereas Tsukishima seems to be more intentional about only using his sarcastic (and yeah sometimes mean) jabs toward his fellow first years. Neither is really acceptable, but it’s my understanding that Tsukishima is sort of playing within the social “rules” more effectively than Kageyama is and so he flies under the radar more in terms of backlash. There’s a ton of nuance we could get into too. Like I think Kageyama is never intending to be mean, but he can flip back and forth between his motivations being about the team or being more selfish - he’s been incredibly inward focused since the “goody two shoes” moment for example. And sort of like what Adam said, Tsukishima is sometimes aiming to be more funny, but other times, like this episode with Kageyama I think he is trying to get under his skin on purpose. And it’s all about the whole team trying to figure out how to compromise and learn to communicate. No character’s development in the show is a straight line and I don’t think anyone ever fully grows out of their bad habits, and I think that’s a huge part of what makes the series so effective. Plus it leads to all of us picking apart each line of dialogue like this, which personally I love 😆

Queenie Ting
>>162276929

Indeed, in cultures like Japan and South Korea, which place a strong emphasis on hierarchical relationships such as the senior-junior system, this dynamic is even more pronounced in the sports world compared to society at large. In East Asia, such a culture is primarily found in sports and the military in Taiwan, while it is no longer as prominent in other sectors. Perhaps Sarah encountered this kind of culture superficially during her time working in Asia, but typically, such expectations are rarely imposed on foreigners. Additionally, when Kageyama was officially declared to have broken ties with his teammates in middle school, he was in his third year, making him the oldest in the club. At that point, the tenuous thread maintained by having seniors above him finally snapped. This is why the contrast between Kageyama and Sugawara as the two setters of Karasuno High—both in terms of personality and communication skills—is so striking.

Scoola
>>162298799

From what we see its actually Oikawa who changed he told Kindichi to do the exact same thing and he placed the ball in a diff spot.