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RWBY 9x08 "Tea Amidst Terrible Trouble" - reaction & review (Patreon)

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Hey everyone!  Here it is - my reaction to RWBY Vol. 9, ep 8!!!!  Wow guys...I just...I'm not even sure what to say after this one!  I knew this was a possibility, but something about seeing it, about seeing the pain overcome Ruby, about watching her friends and her sister WATCH HER DO IT......it's too much for me!!!!  I'm pretty devastated right now, not gonna lie.  Some things I didn't get to mention in my outro though - seeing Roman again was fantastic!  The familiar faces hurt soooo bad, especially Penny :(  And omg you guys, LITTLE HAD BETTER LIVE!!!  I know Ruby ultimately will, whatever that looks like, but I'm serious here, I'm NOT about to watch a mouse get STEPPED ON with no one making that up to me!  Also, Neo is dead to me.  Also....Neo is probably actually dead now that the cat possessed her :/
Dang it guys, I'm not okay!  Great ep!  Enjoy!  ~ MH

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kamenriderhime

Oh btw, I think after some thought I realize that this was all Neo the whole time, not her and the cat or just the cat. I got really confused by the fact that the clone/shadow/vestige thingies can talk now!!! Sorry :P

Dreanner95
>>106108733

Well we already knew her shadows can talk. All the Jabberwalkers were talking even though they were also her clones. The most prominent theory is that Neo's Semblance is being enhanced by the Ever After. Her Semblance is called Overactive Imagination and this world is a fairy tale world. The big reveal was that both the Cat and Neo tried to wear Ruby down. The Cat has been manipulating Ruby since they met team RWBY, with little side comments and situations. Like how they sacraficed the Hawker in Episode 5 so Ruby has to see another person die in front of her. But the Cat doesn't want Ruby to ascent. They want her to be without purpose so they can take over her body and leave the Ever After through the tree. It is heavely implied that his makers are the gods who created Remnant. So if the Cat wants to confront these gods, they have to go to Remant and use the Relics. Neo on the other hand wants Ruby to ascent to completly wipe her from existence. That was all her during her confrontation with Ruby as you already realised. She used Ruby's guilt of failing or failing to save all these people to wear her down enough to drink the tea herself. But after Neo succeds she realises she has nothing left to live for. In her obsessive pursuit of revenge she failed to think about what she would do after that. In that moment she lost all purpose. Which was why the Cat could take her over. Neo and the Cat did never work together or were even aware that the other were doing the same thing. And their end goals were totally different. The Cat needed Ruby to take her over and Neo wanted her to ascent which goes completly against the Cat's goal.

Loken

When the cat was talking about its creator, I think it's talking about the brothers of light and dark. Also the tea contained leaves from the tree, which causes ascension. The in memory of was for torchwicks voice actor. The original thumbnail has torchwich on it.

Dreanner95

With the Informations we have right now Ascension for people of Remnant could be very bad. Because part of that process is the losing of memories and the potential change of purpose which could result in Ruby being somebody completely different afterwards. I do think there is wiggle room for our Ruby to return but it is not guranteed.

Tone

I’m holding out hope for Little. We’ve been told Afterans acsend, and Little has been trying to be a guide for everyone, even though they don’t know how too. Perhaps the tree will bring them back better prepared to help everyone get back to Reminant.

Darren

I feel like its a choice when your there for ascension, maybe theres a crossroads where you walk the new patch of changing yourself or you stick to who you are and your memories, i dont think its a one shot deal, but as we have seen ruby is rock bottom so ya cant blame her for her choices, i feel theres more to the tree then we actually think, but this is probs one of the hardest scenes for me to watch, dont get me wrong i enjoyed it from an audience viewer but it was hard to watch, even hearing the anger in Phyrras voice was chilling, i get where they are going with it, but its so hard to watch and see Ruby like this, the team did a fantastic job even though it hurts, hearing Jen again voice Phyrra too, Ruby can take take the physical blows its just the emotional blows thats killing her deep down :( cant even hazard a guess what the 2 episodes will be like, Ruby will overcome this i am sure. also Cresant Rose and Little fell down with her so i dont think thats the last we will see of Little, But to Ruby ascension may have been her only way out, ps the Thumbnail was a close up shot of Torchwick, also i persoanally dont think ascension is that quick, i feel its an option when your there, you either come back as someone new, or your continue as what you are, the cat did mention this earlier in the volume, an i dont think he lied about that, so its possible they may be some questions given to ruby and little as to why do you want to ascend and do you really think ascension is the best thing for you etc etc, like a test of sorts and at then end she may rethink that ascension, an come back who she is an work it it out with her team letting them help carry the burdon, i dont think asension is as easy as A to B does that make sense, The creators of the cat may be The Gods, maybe the Everafter is what the gods made first before remnant/humans etc, like an experiment as the gods refer to remnant, maybe the ever after was the first experiment of many all just jumbled into this big one world they hid under remnant like a trash folder (if ya know what i mean), also the cat has never ascending if his purpose is curiosity because thats something that never runs out, so he would remember the gods in a way, hope all that makes sense. FYI I was watching the rwby actors and directors talk on their little discussion they have every week and apparently the cat was created by the gods x

JAMES D'ALESSANDRO

I never understood the fascination with Neo. I've hated her since she almost killed Yang in Volume 2. She is number 3 on my wish to see die list behind Ironwood and Cinder.

GamerKing

Billy kametz was a voice actor he was originally going to play torchwick in iced queendom but due to his illness he was unable to.

Christopher Pope

The original thumbnail was Roman; I'm told they changed it to something else also spoilery before changing it again to something innocuous. I appreciate how they interwove the lines Billy Kametz was able to record with Chris Wehkamp's; it really fit the eerie nature of the scene and the fact that he was an illusion. Also, a stellar job from Jen Brown giving us an evil Pyrrha; the anger was a side of her character we never got to see. This came at a heavy time for me (my mom's having surgery today to remove a tumor from her lung), so it was good to have something else to vest emotions in. I'm interested to see how the volume wraps up in just two more chapters, as our heroes are in shock with no clear indication where to go next, no way home (Jaune's wariness is fully vindicated now), and not even a villain they can fight.

Spadeas

Hi Hime :) First thing I said to myself when I saw the thumbnail, this smile won't last long... So for that, another hug because it doesn't hurt after this episode. And if it reassures you (or not), I was as lost and broken as you after that one, I had a hard time imagining what happened next, which doesn't happen to me often, you know very well that I'm a pro of theories. It was Neo who tortured Ruby, but the cat who took advantage of Ruby's downfall to try to possess her. It may come as a surprise that her doubles talk, but her jabberwalker doubles could talk too. For the cat, with what we know now, we can assume that he influenced Alyx to try to break her and possess her at the time, but it didn't work out the way he wanted. The first thumbnail was Roman, then they changed it to another equally spoiler one, so the one you saw is a better option. And precisely, seeing Roman in thumbnail, I quickly understood that the shadows behind Neo in the theme, had to be the dead characters of RWBY, so more than the surprise seeing them, it was an "I knew it" for my part. Also, I can only salute the mirror of the disappearance of Roman and Neo. Roman dies in the middle of a monologue, swallowed by a grimm. Neo disappears, mute, after swallowing an Everafterian. The expression "the cat got your tongue" takes on another meaning here too. Now, for the heart of the episode, Little and Crescent Rose fell with her, so hopefully Little will come back after her ascension as well. From where we are, we have several options: 1 - No change in Ruby (unrealistic) 2 - Ruby has changed, can't remember who she is and has lost her silver eyes 3 - Ruby has changed, can't remember who she is and is even more powerful As I see it from a storyline perspective, Option 2 would be the best option, with the rest of the team trying to remind her of who she is and in doing so, she comes back even more powerful than before. Now there are several elements to take into account, as I said, Cresent Rose and Little fell with her, will that have an influence ? Like Little becoming part of Ruby, or Crescent Rose ? Will Ruby still look the same after her ascension ? Because if Ruby changes with her ascension, if Little or Crescent Rose becomes part of her, there is a possibility that Ruby will no longer be Little Red Riding Hood, but become another heroine of account.

Haughtbreaker Nic

the first thumbnail was just Roman. The second thumbnail had Pyrrha and Penny in it. LOL. I wonder, if like with Jaune, they'll change the OP to have all the dead characters instead of the shadows behind Neo. One thing that bothers me about the episode tho is that at the table are characters Ruby knew were dead... except Ironwood. Ironwood "allegedly" died when Atlas fell, but by then all of RWBY and Neo should have fallen into the Ever After, so technically none of them would know that Ironwood was dead. Yes I might be focusing on miniscule things like that because I don't want to think about Ruby doing what she did, especially in front of her sister who will no doubt see it as her own failure. Hearing Ruby say "I don't want to be me anymore" hurt more than anything the show has ever given us. Is it Saturday yet?

Nathan Poulain Cigrand

When my mate asked me to review the episode together, I replied: stfu I'm empty now don't talk to me :/ Guess we all feel like that now ^^ -Hime: "Yay guys it's the best day of the week, it's RWBY day !" -Miles: "Haven't you learn your lesson, Mel!? It's distress time!!" -Hime: "Please, spare my poor little heart, I can't anymore...." -Miles: "Yeah...about Little....it won't hurt. *squeak*" And now, for the last supper of Ruby Rose, I ask each character that is DEAD to have a lil' heart-to-heart talk with supplement of punching, kicking and cane smashing...ah my youth (and sanity)... And the cherry on top, best tutorial on suicide: wait until your friends are here, look at them, then don't give a s**t and do it anyway in front of them. And your sister. That raised you since you were a toddler. Yeah Tai is gonna love the news.... ...Huh. Still empty for now, gonna digest all that. Anyway, loved your reaction, and gonna wait for the next one. I can't even think what to expect. See you soon :)

John J Ronald
>>106112108

Billy recorded some of the Torchwick dialogue here but Chris Wehkampf (Clover's VA) had to finish it. Probably one of the last professional recordings Billy did before the end.

John J Ronald
>>106113843

I like to imagine the in-universe explanation is it's not really how Roman actually sounded but rather how Neo remembers him sounding...so a subjective interpretation of his voice. IRL, I know that it's because Gray Haddock didn't leave Rooster Teeth on good terms, to put it mildly....especially after the way he (mis)managed Gen:Lock Season 1. He did offer to reprise his RWBY role but CRWBY was like "Nah, man."

John J Ronald

The dilemma for Neo is that in exacting her revenge on Ruby it robbed her of her purpose in the Ever After, leaving her vulnerable to the Curious Cat. Is that all you wanted? Well no, but what she wants (to have Roman back) is impossible. She can have fun with her imagination and illusions but fake Roman is no replacement for the real man she loved. The final scenes also gives us another of CRWBY's f*cked up puns... (Dr. Seuss's) ... The Cat in the Hat. *bow*

John J Ronald

On the one hand, I'm really happy that Taylor McNee and Jen Brown are still getting VO work from RWBY, but WOOOF, am I right?

John J Ronald
>>106111361

I'm sticking with my hunch the Cat is one of the Relic spirits...unfortunately the most malevolent one they've encountered yet.

John J Ronald (edited)

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2023-04-12 02:23:59 Well, I officially take back my earlier theories / speculations about the Cat being helpful/useful. It's clearly malevolent and not to be trusted. I do still think it's one of the Relic spirits like Jinn or Ambrosius....probably the Spirit of the Crown of Choice....and you need Knowledge to make an informed Choice......but Ozpin didn't count on the Curious Cat ultimately getting bored with The Ever After....they feel like they know everything there is to know about the Ever After and are burning with cursed desire to go to Remnant in the search of YET MORE KNOWLEDGE, to see for their own eyes what Remnant is like versus what Jaune & Team RWBY told them. They're probably indifferent to Salem or maybe might even endorse her idea to recall the Gods because clearly the Cat has a beef with THEM as well.
2023-04-11 23:53:59 Well, I officially take back my earlier theories / speculations about the Cat being helpful/useful. It's clearly malevolent and not to be trusted. I do still think it's one of the Relic spirits like Jinn or Ambrosius....probably the Spirit of the Crown of Choice....and you need Knowledge to make an informed Choice......but Ozpin didn't count on the Curious Cat ultimately getting bored with The Ever After....they feel like they know everything there is to know about the Ever After and are burning with cursed desire to go to Remnant in the search of YET MORE KNOWLEDGE, to see for their own eyes what Remnant is like versus what Jaune & Team RWBY told them. They're probably indifferent to Salem or maybe might even endorse her idea to recall the Gods because clearly the Cat has a beef with THEM as well.

Well, I officially take back my earlier theories / speculations about the Cat being helpful/useful. It's clearly malevolent and not to be trusted. I do still think it's one of the Relic spirits like Jinn or Ambrosius....probably the Spirit of the Crown of Choice....and you need Knowledge to make an informed Choice......but Ozpin didn't count on the Curious Cat ultimately getting bored with The Ever After....they feel like they know everything there is to know about the Ever After and are burning with cursed desire to go to Remnant in the search of YET MORE KNOWLEDGE, to see for their own eyes what Remnant is like versus what Jaune & Team RWBY told them. They're probably indifferent to Salem or maybe might even endorse her idea to recall the Gods because clearly the Cat has a beef with THEM as well.

Dusty V

I just saw this episode yesterday and my thoughts immediately was Melissa isn’t gonna be ok… but you held it together better than I expected. I’m very concerned about Ruby and Little too. I just have no idea what to say beyond I knew that Cat was trouble …

Tyler Stobbe

So, remember when I said the other day that I could tell you exactly what happens in this episode and you still wouldn’t be ready for it? Well… you get it now. There’s actually been a debate going on over the weekend in the FNDM community about whether or not this is the darkest episode in the show, and make no mistake, there’s been some STUFF. But the thematic material present here threw a lot of people for a loop, understandably. The thumbnails were changed several times - initially when the episode came out it was a shot of Roman. Then it was changed to a shit of Penny, Pyrrha and Lionheart. RT got wind of it but it apparently took them several tries before Crunchyroll fixed it. Anyway, I’m just delaying the inevitable so here goes nothing… When Ruby realized Little was still with her, she wanted to know why. Then when she hears that it was a promise, Ruby starts thinking about all the promises that she’s failed to keep - at least to the point she thinks she should have. She starts to admit she was never able to do this, and sends Little away because she fears “if you stay with me, you’ll end up dead too.” Put a pin in that one for later, it’s going to come up again. The portraits and house that Ruby walks into are all manifestations of Neo’s Semblance: I should remind you that Neo’s abilities have all been super powered by the Ever After for some reason so they’re much stronger than they were on Remnant. Here’s an Easter Egg for you, literally: some of the portraits are references to events in the novel Roman Holiday, which I know you’ve read. As Ruby tries to figure out what’s going on, the portrait with Roman begins talking. Neo is using her supercharged Semblance to make her characters speak and using Roman to convey her feelings. It should be noted Roman is being voiced initially by Billy Kametz, who was acknowledged at the end of the episode. He’s a anime dub VA who was also scheduled to do Roman’s English dub for Ice Queendom, but he died due to cancer complications, and had to be replaced by Christopher Wehkamp, who also did the voice work for Clover. The original VA for the character, Gray Haddock, left RT some time ago. Anyway, Neo’s Semblance is so overcharged that she can create clones of multiple people at once and so we have this area’s version of the Mad Hatter Tea Party and it’s definitely unhinged, because she brings out everyone Ruby knows who actually has died on the show. There’s a few continuity issues here, but my theory is that Neo’s Semblance is strong enough that it can take cues from the mind of the person it’s being projected to and update its behavior accordingly. Roman shows Ruby a leaf from the tree, dropping it into the teacup, and Ruby is unwilling to apologize for his death, he made his own choices. But Roman doesn’t want Ruby dead, Neo wants her broken down and wiped from existence. It’s super weird hearing some of the VAs for certain characters take such ominous turns. Meanwhile, the rest of her team has started looking for Ruby, and Yang is particularly upset that Ruby didn’t say anything to them. Weiss is probably the one who hit the mark the closest when she says “maybe she didn’t think she could.” As I laid out in my comment last week, Ruby DID try to talk to them. Several times. But either, they missed or completely misread the signs, or they were interrupted by something more pressing that took priority. I have an actual problem with Yang’s line “it’s not like we asked her to be perfect,” because, if anything Yang is probably the person in the group who’s been putting the most weight on Ruby over the last Volume or two. She’s being slightly hypocritical. There are a couple reasons for this: first, they all said they’d follow her lead. Later in V7, Yang and Blake made a unilateral decision to give Robyn classified info about Amity Tower, and this directly led to Ironwood losing trust in them. In hindsight it was the right call. BUT… they made the decision without even consulting Ruby… and she had to deal with the fallout. That’s minor compared to what happened at the start of V8, when she openly questioned Ruby’s leadership in front of everyone. “Ruby, we said we would follow your lead… but things haven’t exactly worked out.” You could tell immediately that not only shocked everyone else but crushed her internally, and Yang just kind of brushed it off as input. And of course, ever since we’ve been in the EA, Yang’s focus has been mostly on her own thoughts and emotions, and the Ponderstorm not only brought those out to her - it also showed Ruby that Yang was prioritizing other things than what she was told needed to be important. Okay, mini rant over - to be clear, Yang isn’t performing anything out of malicious intent here - like the others I don’t even think she realized what she was doing, and feelings are hard to suppress. But it’s a little ironic that she’d be the one to verbalize that given some of her actions have been presenting the opposite indication. So this next part is going to be pretty analytical in nature, but I did see some people commenting about the nature of suicide who had personal experience with such things and they said this was actually a pretty accurate portrayal of how that mentality works. Ruby is basically being stripped of everything, one layer at a time. They released a discussion video this morning and her VA, Lindsay Jones, was talking about her in the episode and said to describe this chain of events that, “even rock bottom has a basement.” She still bears guilt over not being able to save Pyrrha, even though there’s nothing she could’ve done to save her. But try telling her that. She feels completely responsible for Penny’s death, even though we know that’s not how everything completely played out, so when the Penny image starts berating her, it’s pushing the emotional buttons she has left. You can pretty much see what it’s doing to her based on her expression, it’s literally killing her inside that she couldn’t save her friend, even after getting a second chance with her. Roman’s image seems to realize this is pushing things too far too fast, and pulls that “clone” off, and instead uses Ironwood to berate her decision making in Atlas. Ruby just wanted to save everyone and be the hero in the books, and Pyrrha e goes what’s on her mind: “HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE HAVE TO DIE BECAUSE OF YOU!?” As if this wasn’t enough, Ozpin starts beating her with a stick and accuses her of knowing what’s best for everyone and then she finally takes her weapon and slashes back… only it’s not Ozpin… it’s Oscar… A little context on this - the Rose Garden ship has been a popular, yet controversial one because of some people who don’t like the idea of Ozpin in Oscar’s head. But that “ship” has always been about Ruby and Oscar. There have been subtle hints at it ever since the two met back in Volume 5, and yes, I DO like the two of them together, to admit my own bias. But here’s the thing: Ruby considers Oscar one of her friends, and he’s the only person she knows younger than her in the show. He got dragged into this fight without being able to choose it, and Ruby’s always had kind of a fondness for him because of it. So to see him lying dead in a pool of his own blood, even though it’s a visual trick, is enough to make something snap inside her. This was the actual breaking point. Neo transforms everyone of her clones into her teammates and friends looking at her in shock and horror, and she can’t tell truth from reality anymore. Neo offers her a tea cup with the leaf from the tree mixed into the water, while Roman tells her to admit “the world would just be better off without you.” This gets interrupted by the Curious Cat, who blasts Neo away, giving the place a momentary respite… but Ruby’s already been broken into mental shambles, and tells the cat “I don’t want to be me anymore.” The cat offers to be her instead, revealing that it’s been waiting for her to break and starts forcing its heart into hers. It reveals its purpose is that it can give its own will to a broken heart, and all of its actions up to this point have been to wear Ruby down to the point it could possess her. Ruby is suffering yet another betrayal of someone she thought she could trust on top of everything else being done to her. But I do want to point out one thing the cat says that’s extremely important: “I’m cursed with curiosity. I have to know everything… but most of all I want to know why my makers left me here and went TO MAKE ALL OF YOU.” Let that sink in for a minute. The cat, the EA, the creatures here, we’re created by the same gods who made Remnant. Boy, these deities have a bad track record… Anyway, the cat is first interrupted by Little who bites their tail, and then by Neo, who’s come back, and while most of the chaos is happening around her, Little tries to encourage Ruby to get up, but she’s basically comatose… and when Neo squashed and kills Little in front of her eyes, it only reinforces what she’s already fearing. She just saw another life end in front of her, because they were involved with her. If watching Oscar die in a fictitious way was the breaking point, watching Little die was, in fact, the last straw Ruby had to hold onto. She is convinced now that she is a curse, and deserves her fate. Ironically as she’s reaching this conclusion, all of the people who would tell her the opposite rub into the scene for real. I want to point out an interesting shot selection here - at the end of Volume 3, when Pyrrha died, it was revealed that the scene was playing off the reflection of Ruby’s eye. A very similar thing happens here, as Yang watches Ruby down the teacup in one gulp. They all watch in disbelief as her body flickers, and falls into the earth, along with Crescent Rose, and interestingly enough, Little’s body falls with her as welk - and none of her friends can say anything they wanted to her. Someone pointed out that the full name of Alice’s character in the original story is Alice Liddell. Which if you say it fast kind of sounds like Alyx Little. It’s an interesting tidbit to keep on hand. There’s been some people criticizing the fact that Ruby’s teammates are frozen during this scene. First off, try as you might want to, you can’t really “fix” someone else… it’s really on their mentality and drive or will to live. Second, I don’t think any of them really understood what was happening until it was too late to do anything about it. Also, I pointed out a few flaws about Yang earlier in this comment, but by no means do I think she’s a bad sister, quite the opposite. Her actions were, unfortunately, negligent. But watching Ruby CHOOSE to “end herself” in front of her, the person she cares for more than anyone in her life and would do anything to protect… well, for the rest of the episode, she’s basically catatonic. (Not a pun, not the time.) Blake is literally keeping her from falling over. And to top it all off, Yang has just watched ANOTHER family member make the conscious choice to leave her behind. This episode is all sunshine and rainbows isn’t it? I can’t stress this enough: while everyone’s actions led to this point, they were not done with harmful or malicious intent in mind: NONE OF THEM KNEW HOW BAD IT WAS. I am hoping to see some fallout from the rest of the crew on the events of this in the next episode, because I’m, you don’t just gloss over something like this. But the cat is distraught because it needed Ruby, and when Jaune orders them to take everyone to her it says, “it’s not a place you go, it’s a place you KNOW.” I have some theories about that but then the cat notices that Ruby’s “death” has also done something to Neo. It’s the only thing that was keeping her going up until now, and with that finished… she no longer has “one thing” driving her. The cat recognizes that Neo is overpowered and non compliant, so it’s a perfect vessel to possess and does so in disturbing fashion, starting to use its voice to talk as her. Then it takes off, super powers and all, toward the tree. This is a problem because the cat is trying to get to Remnant - and it has the ability to take away a person’s free will, and we know one of the core principles of people there is Choice. If the cat is able to get to their works and implement it’s abilities… well, let’s just say Salem is no longer the biggest threat. It has been said earlier that the tree erases the memories of who you are and repurposes you as something new. So will Ruby even come back as herself? I’m wondering from the intro if she’ll return as Alyx, possibly, but another couple of things that could happen are she very likely will run into the Blacksmith again - and maybe she might even run into Summer now that she’s “ascended.” There’s so many moving parts here that I’ve been typing my thoughts out for over an hour trying to process it all - crazy for a episode that lasted 16 minutes… Hey, um… how long did that candy bar last after you turned off the camera? Not long I’ll wager. CRWBY is going to be getting our therapy bill for this week. This is one of the best episodes of the series, but sheesh. The director called it “the mean episode.” Well, that’s putting it mildly. And we thought last week was distressing…. My brain has not stopped processing this chapter since I saw it… Everything is fine… you’re fine, I’m fine… we’re gonna need a lot more chocolate to get through this, aren’t we? 👀😬

Manny

Oof no yeah Neo lost some points for me when she 🥺 so don’t even want to say it 😭

kamenriderhime
>>106108733

Oh I don't think I'd fully put that together but you're right! It's doubly awful that both the Cat and Neo have been trying to break Ruby down. So possession was the plan all along. I don't think I fully got what they meant about the creators, that makes sense that the gods made them too! Thanks for explaining. The scenes of Neo breaking Ruby down were just devastating to watch. The end goals were different, they just both had Ruby as their target.

kamenriderhime
>>106110445

Right, I don't think I put that together, thanks for explaining it! That's so sad about Torchwick's VA!!! :( Come to think of it I remember someone telling me about a VA who passed away last year, but I didn't realize they'd also been involved in RWBY. Oh wow that is spoilery then lol.

kamenriderhime
>>106111300

Me too, that's a good point! Maybe Little and Ruby will merge somehow and ascend? Little's purpose might be to help Ruby more than they thought?? Not sure!

kamenriderhime
>>106112071

I've been mad at her since that too! I think reading the book Roman Holiday definitely endeared me to her more, but this was the last straw. I can never unsee what happened to Little :((((((((((

kamenriderhime
>>106113843

That is very spoilery then! I agree, the voice acting worked really well here and honestly I didn't even realize it was two different voices. Yes, evil Pyrrha!!!! Not how I wanted to see Pyrrha again but I love the Jen (and Taylor!) came back. Oh no, I'll say prayers for your mom! I hope everything works out okay! At least this could provide a distraction I guess. I know, I have honestly no clue how they're gonna wrap this up!

kamenriderhime
>>106113843

John - I've heard some of what happened with Grey at this point! I agree that any variation in the voice can be explained by Neo's memory.

kamenriderhime
>>106181155

I know!!!! I can't even think about it!!! Honestly I've been pretty upset for the last few days :((((

kamenriderhime
>>106165964

Awww thank you, you were right lol. I think I was more in shock than anything else. Yeah we have confirmation that the Cat really was up to no good. I have no clue how this will work out though!

kamenriderhime
>>106156471

Seriously!!!! I adore them and love any chance to get them back but DANG, we suffered for it lol.

kamenriderhime
>>106121038

Oh wow, twice in a row with the spoilery thumbnails, jeez lol. Oh maybe they'll edit the shadows now, good point. You know, it didn't click with me that all the vestiges were people who died for that very reason....she wouldn't have known or at least had confirmation about Ironwood, right? Oof, that whole scene was just so devastating. They really beat us up along with Ruby on this one. I can't wait to see where it's all going but I'm scared, ngl!!!

kamenriderhime
>>106146149

I don't blame you!!!!!! LOL I should know by now...but somehow they still continue to hurt me!!!! Oh gawd, the "death" scene was just too brutal....honestly I'm not sure if she even knew they were really there? Maybe she thought it was more of Neo? I don't know, but I can't ever unsee Little getting stepped on or Ruby drinking the tea as reflected in Yang's eyes. I'm so happy you enjoyed my reaction!!!!! I have no clue what's gonna happen but we'll get through it together! :)

kamenriderhime
>>106156410

Ohhhhh okay! That makes sense. I could tell she felt pretty empty once it was done, but that's definitely more specific. UGGGHHHHHH nooooooo that is not the kind of pun that's fun to enjoy lol :P But it fits....!

kamenriderhime
>>106157451

Well, the Cat might not be helpful but it's looking more and more like the Cat will be significant perhaps. I agree, they could definitely be the other relic. It kinda adds up actually. True, the Cat has a problem with the gods, which would align their interests with Salem's, technically speaking.

John J Ronald
>>106179526

Technically Alice Liddell was a real Englishwoman and was a personal friend of Lewis Carroll when she was only a child and it is widely speculated the titular character of Alice is based largely on her, or rather Carroll's impressions of her. Lewis Carroll was a bit of an eccentric and had multiple friendships with very young girls and young women. Nothing untoward per se but we would probably regard it as a little creepy today.

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2023-04-13 02:07:47 Ruby probably lacked the presence of mind to do so, but I definitely wanted her to yell back at "Ozpin" YOU CHOSE *ME*! YOU OWN THAT CHOICE! but on the other hand, such a retort is empty because it's not the real Oz after all but just Neo's projection. When she fights back Neo twists the metaphorical knife yet again by transforming Oz into Oscar, whom Neo saw flirting with Ruby while Jacques Schnee was being hauled off to jail. Ruby definitely has unacknowledged romantic feelings for Oscar. Her making flirty eyes at Oscar back in RWBY5 is one of my favorite moments in the show, especially because it makes Oscar a little flustered with embarrassment. She also promised Oscar he wasn't going to be just another one of Ozpin's lives, that he was his own person. She may well feel like she failed him, too...though to the contrary that was one of their successes....Oscar did escape to Vacuo with Ren & Emerald. All of Team RWBY has been too hard on themselves this volume...they internalize what they view as complete failure for the events at the end of RWBY8, but like Blake said, getting everyone they did to Vacuo has to count for something. They don't place blame where it belongs....on Cinder, Neo, Watts & Tyrian.
2023-04-12 20:35:54 Ruby probably lacked the presence of mind to do so, but I definitely wanted her to yell back at "Ozpin" YOU CHOSE *ME*! YOU OWN THAT CHOICE! but on the other hand, such a retort is empty because it's not the real Oz after all but just Neo's projection. When she fights back Neo twists the metaphorical knife yet again by transforming Oz into Oscar, whom Neo saw flirting with Ruby while Jacques Schnee was being hauled off to jail. Ruby definitely has unacknowledged romantic feelings for Oscar. Her making flirty eyes at Oscar back in RWBY5 is one of my favorite moments in the show, especially because it makes Oscar a little flustered with embarrassment. She also promised Oscar he wasn't going to be just another one of Ozpin's lives, that he was his own person. She may well feel like she failed him, too...though to the contrary that was one of their successes....Oscar did escape to Vacuo with Ren & Emerald. All of Team RWBY has been too hard on themselves this volume...they internalize what they view as complete failure for the events at the end of RWBY8, but like Blake said, getting everyone they did to Vacuo has to count for something. They don't place blame where it belongs....on Cinder, Neo, Watts & Tyrian.

Ruby probably lacked the presence of mind to do so, but I definitely wanted her to yell back at "Ozpin" YOU CHOSE *ME*! YOU OWN THAT CHOICE! but on the other hand, such a retort is empty because it's not the real Oz after all but just Neo's projection. When she fights back Neo twists the metaphorical knife yet again by transforming Oz into Oscar, whom Neo saw flirting with Ruby while Jacques Schnee was being hauled off to jail. Ruby definitely has unacknowledged romantic feelings for Oscar. Her making flirty eyes at Oscar back in RWBY5 is one of my favorite moments in the show, especially because it makes Oscar a little flustered with embarrassment. She also promised Oscar he wasn't going to be just another one of Ozpin's lives, that he was his own person. She may well feel like she failed him, too...though to the contrary that was one of their successes....Oscar did escape to Vacuo with Ren & Emerald. All of Team RWBY has been too hard on themselves this volume...they internalize what they view as complete failure for the events at the end of RWBY8, but like Blake said, getting everyone they did to Vacuo has to count for something. They don't place blame where it belongs....on Cinder, Neo, Watts & Tyrian.

Spadeas
>>106114128

I would like to add, because the idea came to me recently. Yang told Ambrosius to create a world like the vaults where the relics are kept, and our heroes then fell to the everafter. What if everafter was one of the worlds connected to one of the vaults with a relic? The tree would be precisely where the relic is and therefore literally, a way out. Also, thinking back to Ruby's trip: - The herbalist confronted her with her knowledge of herself. - The blacksmith left her the choice of weapons - Neo brought her moral destruction - The tree is supposed to make her a new creation Knowledge, choice, destruction, creation, Ruby went through the four ideals behind humanity according to the two brothers.

Christopher Pope

I thought it might be helpful to reflect on Ruby's mission-related successes. This is hardly an exhaustive list, especially as it excludes friends she's made, people she's encouraged, lessons she's taught, etc.: * formed the plan that defeated the Nevermore in 1x08 * confronted Torchwick in 3x11, leading to him, Neo, and their stolen ship being taken out of the fight * froze the wyvern on Beacon Tower in 3x12 * formed the plan that defeated the Nuckelavee in 4x12 * saved Jaune from Cinder with her silver eyes in 5x11 * formed the plan to disconnect the train cars to save the passengers in 6x01 * protected the Lamp after the train crash in 6x02 * asked the question that allowed her team to understand the threat to the world in 6x02 * retrieved the Lamp and saved Blake and the others from the Apathy in 6x06 * disabled the Leviathan in 6x13 * enabled Amity's launch and alerted the world to the threat of Salem in 8x03 and 8x05 * spearheaded the plan that allowed the citizens of Atlas and Mantle to escape the threats posed by Ironwood and by Salem's forces in 8x12

kamenriderhime
>>106179526

You weren't kidding! I'd have to say, I think it's the darkest one. I'm still upset over it! Oh that's crazy about the thumbnails!!!! The scene with Ruby and Little was so sad. I noticed that about the portraits, that's how I knew where we were! Neo's semblance is a lot stronger here and I wonder if it's a coincidence or not. It's dark but makes sense that Neo wouldn't want Ruby dead, she's want her totally broken and then just wiped out. I agree that Weiss was closest with that line. I think you made some interesting points about Yang here, and if I had to guess why she's interpreting this the way she is, I'd say maybe this is an example of someone who's a little too close to the situation to really see everything that's going on. She's been so close to Ruby that maybe it's hard to be able to tell when it's time to step back and really ask what's really going on with that person. This could be a good example of close friends/relatives thinking "no, not that person, I know them and it's not that bad" about someone who is actually really deeply disturbed and depressed and ready to do something they can't take back. It's awful watching Neo strip everything away from Ruby, and you made a great point about Oscar being someone who didn't have a lot of choice in being dragged into this. Oh I know, it was pointed out after that this means the gods who created Remnant created the Cat as well! Poor Little, I can never, ever unsee that!!! I agree that was was really put her over the edge. Good comparison about the eye visual to the end of Vol 3 with Pyrrha's death. I wonder if Ruby even knew they were really there, or maybe thought they were Neo's vestige thingies. I've been hearing that about Alice's name, very interesting! Yeah I got the idea that it was all happening so fast that there was no time to act, and/or they just were frozen in fear. Either way I don't see the point of blaming them. I feel awful for Yang!!!! I think you're right that this was an unfortunate escalation of a lot of missed signals, bad timing with literal other world-ending stuff going on, etc. But Ruby means everything to Yang!!! And that's such a good point about another person making the choice to leave her....ugh, my heart! True story, I was listening to "Gold" in my car this weekend and had to switch it because of all the ugly crying!!!! I agree, no one was in the wrong in the cut and dry way here - no one knew how bad it was, and I think that's the point. Being a very friendly positive person myself, I can't tell you how much people interpret that as never having problems or feeling bad or whatnot. I doubt anyone knew the dark depths Ruby had really gone to. Do you think the Cat is the other relic??? And yeah, this would somehow overshadow Salem, which....wow. I'm not sure what will happen - if Ruby comes back as not Ruby anymore, I'll be pretty shocked. Someone mentioned she might go on a bit of a journey and be able to make a choice one last time. I wonder if she and Little will merge somehow? Maybe Little will act as Ruby's hope, since she has none? Hahahaha I don't think I even tasted the candy through all the tears :((( Good luck processing everything, I'm still not okay!!! Thanks for waiting so long for me to answer....please go get yourself a pound of chocolate ASAP!!!

kamenriderhime
>>106179526

John - that's interesting about Lewis Carroll, wow! I never knew that. Also good to know about the origins of Alice.

kamenriderhime
>>106221938

I hear you!!! Even though it wasn't even really Ozpin, the irony is still there. Oh that would be how Neo knew to interpret Ruby's feelings then, interesting. It's sadly ironic for this performance that Neo was doing that Oscar was actually one of the ones to get away and stay alive. They're definitely all blaming themselves too much, Ruby the most. Exactly!!!! Like not for anything but this was literally an IMPOSSIBLE task from the start, even in Ozpin's eyes.....and they did so much!! More than anyone could have ever expected, and they got a lot further too. What a mess!!!!

kamenriderhime
>>106376635

I love this, thank you! It's so easy to focus on failures when you're spiraling, and/or to downplay successes. I was just saying in another comment that this was literally an impossible task to begin with, yet our crew had successes that most would have never expected, and outwitted and out-thought so many situations so many times (largely thanks to Ruby). The fact that Ruby's mental state got to this point is still just shocking to me, although not shocking at the same time, you know??

kamenriderhime
>>106111361

That's an interesting idea actually! I understand, I know how dark and in despair things have gotten for her, but I really want to believe there's a way for her to heal still. I hear you, that was definitely the hardest scene for me to watch too!! The voice acting was so good it hurt, literally. Ugh, you said it, the physical torment wasn't even what put her away, it was the emotional torment. I have no clue where they'll go from here but I like your positive attitude on it! I'm gonna choose to do that too! That's a good point about Crescent Rose and Little. That's crazy about the thumbnails!!! That's a really good point about the option, and the process of ascension. I realized that after about the creators being the gods! It's crazy to think this could have been their experiment. Good point that the Cat maybe hasn't ascended because their curiosity was endless. John - I think it's possible that the Cat could be a relic too!!!! I really don't know where they're going with it all. I just know I'm sad and scared!!! Thanks for all the info!

Tyler Stobbe
>>106179526

No, I don’t think the Cat is the Relic, that feels like something very specific to Remnant. However: I WILL be billing Miles Luna and Kiersi Burkhart (the writers for Ch 8) for my resulting therapy sessions, however! 😂 I suppose if a episode generates this much discourse, that’s an indication of how strong it is though. 🤔

kamenriderhime
>>106114128

Hi Spadeas! :) I know, that was the last time I was happy for a while!!!! Thank you for the hug :) I totally understand that feeling! Right, I wasn't quite clear on who had done what but basically the Cat and Neo were both, but separately, targeting Ruby. I didn't even register that about the Jabberwalkers, I was so surprised by the talking! That's crazy about the thumbnails! Another one of your theories proven! Oh good point about the parallels in their deaths/ends of existence. Oof, that really is the definition of cat got your tongue! Yikes....!! I hope that Crescent Rose and Little falling with her means something positive on the other side of this. Wow, any of those would be interesting and pretty surprising. I wonder if all three will merge? I was thinking that too. Oh that's an interesting thought about the world being connected to a vault! WOW, that is incredibly interesting and really insightful about how each part of this trip has represented one of the concepts of the relics!!!!! I guess we'll see where this is all going....thanks for all the info and feedback! And for your patience, I had to take some extra time to process this whole ep this week and didn't answer all my comments right away, sorry!!!

kamenriderhime
>>106179526

Gotcha, I could see that. Hahaha!!!! I would also see if they'll pay for some comfort food on top of that :P But yeah, the fact that we're all talking about it this much shows that it was at the very least, incredibly thought provoking!!

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2023-05-08 17:44:08 I love this episode even though it’s devastating because it was so well done with the themes, character focus, revelations and plot. I liked your talk about the last episode and the comments you got. I enjoy the great conversations last episode and this 1 create/bring up. The episode starts off intense with a 1st person perspective of Ruby just running blindly most likely just wanting to get away & the intensity did not stop. With her not knowing where she was there was a thought I heard from someone that she was at least partially disassociating while running which is interesting to think about. I’m really glad Little tried really hard to be there for her it’s just unfortunate that Ruby wasn’t in a state of mind to be receptive to them. Also Little does not really understand trauma because they are young & naïve. However this episode has convinced me that the idea that Little has some connection to Ruby’s hope might be right. She has really lost all confidence and belief in herself which is sad to see. Honestly it makes a lot of sense that she is pushing everyone away thinking that she is the reason people are dying/getting killed. I love that even with how harsh she was being that Little still wanted to help and followed her because they could sense that Ruby was not okay. I like how everything going to darkness around her reflects Ruby’s state of mind. Even the way she is walking shows how she is feeling doubtful/hesitant and just generally upset. Because of what the EA is like I wasn’t sure if the spotlight on Ruby was metaphorical, the EA making it literal because this world is dramatic or Neo doing it and I think I have settled on it being metaphorical. I’m so glad you read Roman Holiday because while I don’t think you need to have read it to understand what is going on I definitely think it enhances the experience although I know it was hard for you to concentrate on that with the content of the episode. I think this is an ideal version of her original home. I love the paintings and references to the book especially the painting of Trivia with her parents that they specifically had painted both of her eyes brown because they were ashamed of her heterochromia which is a really cool trait so I don’t know why. I like that the paintings show Neo’s life before & after her happy times with Roman like when she originally went after Cinder and the deal with the devil so to speak she made with her. Also of course the largest painting is the one with her and Roman. Interesting that the picture is presented as them having killed her parents when they just got them killed which is an important distinction. I love how Roman was used and the role he filled in this episode and the animation and voice acting really brought it all together. I love both new voice actors and they did a great job playing Roman’s personality while not just copying the original voice actor. Also the 2nd voice actor Chris was good to the point I can’t tell the difference between the voice actors and most can’t unless they have a really good ear. The animation for Roman did such a great job portraying his mannerisms and theatrics that were so iconic back in the 1st 3 volumes. It was so disturbing to see all these clones of dead characters just here especially the beloved Pyrrha and Penny when they are acting like the originals. I think the reason she can do all this is like people have thought this world is making her semblance more powerful but I think Neo is able to make them act like the real versions because of things she knows and has heard or been told and the EA filling in the blanks because it’s a magical world. Also she knows what to get these characters to say things that will break down and negatively affect Ruby is because she has been observing Ruby and her connections/interactions with people as well as Neo guessing and knowing how she wants Ruby to feel. I wish the red heads had gotten to act like this together in reality. Also like a comment I saw said Ozpin & Ironwood laughing together is kind of wholesome but cursed. I like that these illusions talk stilted/weird to a degree showing the uncanny nature of them. I love that when Roman mentioned reality being fuzzy his face is fuzzy in the animation for a moment before it focuses back on him. When it comes to creativity I like that the clones expressions reflect what/how Neo is feeling as well as her being able to speak through Roman. Although I think this is this version of Roman speaking is what he would have said when he was alive since he is “real” and it doesn’t seem like she takes direct control of him like she does with the others when they have her eye colors because she doesn’t need to as well as not wanting to because of her feelings towards him. I’m glad Ruby is able to stand up for herself at 1st but the way she does it had an aspect of self-destruction to it because of the unhealthy place she’s at. The pose of Neo in Roman’s arms & the way she looks at him showed to me that their relationship was romantic or at least she wanted to be. I understand Yang’s frustration because she wasn’t able to help her sister. However I’m glad Weiss was able to point out some of what was going on being Ruby’s partner. I saw an interesting comment that Yang is not good at giving emotional support but Ruby isn’t good at receiving it. It sucks that they didn’t realize what they’re doing was making her think she had to be perfect because they never wanted her to feel that way. This fight if you could call it that was absolutely brutal physically, emotionally and mentally. Hearing/seeing Pyrrha like this is hard to watch especially because we know most of these people would not blame her/say things like this. Her voice actress Jen Brown said this was her favorite time as this character I assume because she was actually able to be angry & vicious. The Penny part was just mean of CRWBY. It’s interesting to see Neo have to assume that Penny died because she doesn’t know for sure. Of course this would be 1 of the things that emotionally affected Ruby the most with how she feels like she failed her as well as what she is saying confirming to me at least and others that Ruby & Penny had romantic interest in each other. Especially with the look on her face and the redness around her eyes. It was messed up to see Roman choking her with his cane. It was unfortunately great to see Pyrrha’s fighting style again and I agree with what many people have said that we got her in the Maya animation engine but at what cost. Also apparently she is really muscular and it brings up something I & others would really want making other characters especially Yang and I know it would be difficult because the character models are hard/expensive to make but if it was possible I would welcome it. It is very upsetting to see Ruby trying to respond to what these illusions are saying because even though she knows they aren’t real she is emotionally compromised and they are throwing all her doubts & insecurities in her face and she can’t get a moment to think because they keep attacking. Although I think it's a good thing at least part of Ruby knows these things are not her fault. There is some irony in the writing to what IW and Oz are saying with IW talking about doing more harm than good when that’s what he did. And Oz talking about ruining lives is ironic because the real Oz had his own guilt about potentially having done that and how the illusion saying she isn’t a good leader basically connects to him choosing her as the leader. I think a lot of this was brutal but the most shocking moment was Oz hitting her with his cane hard enough to shake the furniture & draw blood. Turning him into Oscar when Ruby decides to defend herself was just putting salt in her wounds. You have to give it to all the voice actors here especially Lindsay doing Ruby’s upsetting, realistic sobbing. Neo turning Clover into Qrow with their connection and how he died and turning Pyrrha into Jaune with everything to do with that relationship was cruel to the audience. It is interesting that most of the illusions Neo created were failed leaders/heroes. Even though there was some suspicion going around about Curious when they showed up many people thought maybe Ruby is going to be okay for 5 seconds before they decide to drop the façade & reveals their Master plan which is really insidious but darkly interesting. I love how the voice actor Robbie transitioned into a really sinister and more rough tone of voice for the heel turn of the Cat it was an amazing performance this episode. The connection to the gods that was implied just makes them a more intriguing & great villain especially going back to see everything they said trying to break Ruby down in subtle ways. Don’t get me wrong I am very upset at what they did this episode but that doesn’t mean they aren’t a good character. Without context Curious being confused when the illusion breaks as Neo just yeets them is funny. Little continuing to help Ruby until the end is very moving. Their death was shocking but not surprising to me because people were thinking Little would die because of what RT is like. While the Oscar moment is what broke Ruby I think she had some hope left but Little’s death destroyed the little remaining hope she had. Her eyes become so dim/lifeless they look more grey than silver. And it was just confirmation that people die because of her in her mind at least. The way Roman comes out from behind Neo is such a smooth animation. Some people complain about the others not doing anything to stop her when they got there but it was happening so fast, they were not able to process what was going on and faced with someone doing something like this in front of you people are likely to freeze. Ruby looking at her loved ones and still going through with this is sad especially if it was to give herself strength thinking about how she doesn’t want them to die because of her. Although what’s even sadder Is she probably thought they were just more illusions so she did this believing she was all alone. Also this being reflected in Yang’s eye is reminiscent of Pyrrha’s death being reflected in Ruby’s eye back in volume 3. Yang has done so much to protect, be there for and love Ruby basically becoming a mother figure that this must have shocked her the most I can’t even imagine what she was feeling probably believing she failed her sister. It looks like she would have collapsed if Blake wasn’t there holding her up. They were always supportive but I think that support will be helped by the next step they have recently taken in their relationship and Yang especially will need that after what just happened. I think the message in regards to Neo that revenge is not worth it because at the end of the day it won’t make you feel better and will end up with you being hollow. I like that what’s going on with her psychologically is literally represented by her chair cracking as well as the mansion falling down around her. Also it says a lot about what’s going through her head that she’s basically in shock for the rest of the episode. It’s sad that Jaune is not shocked like the others having more of a reaction of resignation basically thinking just another person I failed. The voice actor really went in with the villainous vibes with the you still don’t get it do you line. I loved the design of the Curious Cat from the beginning but I really love the design choices & how they transformed this episode. The black and white with the inside of the mouth being red is such a cool/great color scheme. It’s also super disturbing/horrifying with the close up shots & especially the design of the teeth with how unnatural they are. A lot of what was happening this episode representing suicide was disturbing enough but in terms of just imagery the possession is 1 of the most disturbing things in the entire show with Neo’s twitching limbs and how her mouth/jaw is forced open unnaturally wide. Jaune was mostly trying to stop Curious but once he saw what was happening likely at least partially was thinking I need to stop this being done to someone. It’s so unnerving to hear any voice coming from Neo. Before they smiled showing teeth they have that classic cat smile which I love and hate. Focusing on the rain & the tree with no dialogue was a good choice on how to end the episode with how shocking it was. Something I want to talk about is I think it’s valid and understandable to be angry/upset at and not like Neo after everything she did but I think a lot of people have a hard time looking at things like this with the amount of nuance they should. Especially the one person saying she deserved to be possessed which basically takes away bodily autonomy and I’m just like no one deserves that. But even though that was just one person there were plenty of people saying her character should die at the time this episode came out and I don’t agree with that because it would go against this volume’s themes of coming to terms with things since she would not be able to learn from the realization that revenge doesn’t get you anything. And like I have said I think almost no one is beyond redemption. Before the finale I was actually agreeing with someone I watch that if they didn’t at least try to help Neo it would go against who they are as characters. This episode brought on so many theories and discussions which I really like. Crunchyroll really messed up with the spoiler thumbnails 2 of them that you didn’t see & was thankfully changed. Also another mistake they made was that CRWBY actually sent them a more detailed trigger warning which some people needed and it unfortunately wasn’t used. I am always touched by how much empathy & emotional intelligence you have and you really showed that in your discussion. Suicide/depression and the other things being focused on this volume/episode are such important topics that deserve/need to have light shown on them. It gives people facing these issues more visibility which is always a good thing. Also I saw the message you put at the start of the YouTube version of this reaction it’s really touching and heart warming. I know you were having a hard time getting your thoughts together so I don’t think you should feel bad for being confused/not understanding everything in this episode. Also I know you were very upset for a while after this episode so I’m glad the comments were able to help. I meant to get this comment done sooner and I know it’s okay I wasn’t able to but I really enjoy being able to see your responses/give you interesting comments/ information before more episodes come out. And I know you have had a lot of time to think about this episode and seen a lot of comments talking about what I have said but hopefully you are still able to get something out of this comment. There is talk if this is the darkest episode in the show and even if it’s not I think it’s in the top 3 or 5. I know you think so. Awesome reaction & discussion/thoughts. Keep up the great work. :-) <3
2023-05-08 14:52:19 I love this episode even though it’s devastating because it was so well done with the themes, character focus, revelations and plot. I liked your talk about the last episode and the comments you got. I enjoy the great conversations last episode and this 1 create/bring up. The episode starts off intense with a 1st person perspective of Ruby just running blindly most likely just wanting to get away & the intensity did not stop. With her not knowing where she was there was a thought I heard from someone that she was at least partially disassociating while running which is interesting to think about. I’m really glad Little tried really hard to be there for her it’s just unfortunate that Ruby wasn’t in a state of mind to be receptive to them. Also Little does not really understand trauma because they are young & naïve. However this episode has convinced me that the idea that Little has some connection to Ruby’s hope might be right. She has really lost all confidence and belief in herself which is sad to see. Honestly it makes a lot of sense that she is pushing everyone away thinking that she is the reason people are dying/getting killed. I love that even with how harsh she was being that Little still wanted to help and followed her because they could sense that Ruby was not okay. I like how everything going to darkness around her reflects Ruby’s state of mind. Even the way she is walking shows how she is feeling doubtful/hesitant and just generally upset. Because of what the EA is like I wasn’t sure if the spotlight on Ruby was metaphorical, the EA making it literal because this world is dramatic or Neo doing it and I think I have settled on it being metaphorical. I’m so glad you read Roman Holiday because while I don’t think you need to have read it to understand what is going on I definitely think it enhances the experience although I know it was hard for you to concentrate on that with the content of the episode. I think this is an ideal version of her original home. I love the paintings and references to the book especially the painting of Trivia with her parents that they specifically had painted both of her eyes brown because they were ashamed of her heterochromia which is a really cool trait so I don’t know why. I like that the paintings show Neo’s life before & after her happy times with Roman like when she originally went after Cinder and the deal with the devil so to speak she made with her. Also of course the largest painting is the one with her and Roman. Interesting that the picture is presented as them having killed her parents when they just got them killed which is an important distinction. I love how Roman was used and the role he filled in this episode and the animation and voice acting really brought it all together. I love both new voice actors and they did a great job playing Roman’s personality while not just copying the original voice actor. Also the 2nd voice actor Chris was good to the point I can’t tell the difference between the voice actors and most can’t unless they have a really good ear. The animation for Roman did such a great job portraying his mannerisms and theatrics that were so iconic back in the 1st 3 volumes. It was so disturbing to see all these clones of dead characters just here especially the beloved Pyrrha and Penny when they are acting like the originals. I think the reason she can do all this is like people have thought this world is making her semblance more powerful but I think Neo is able to make them act like the real versions because of things she knows and has heard or been told and the EA filling in the blanks because it’s a magical world. Also she knows what to get these characters to say things that will break down and negatively affect Ruby is because she has been observing Ruby and her connections/interactions with people as well as Neo guessing and knowing how she wants Ruby to feel. I wish the red heads had gotten to act like this together in reality. Also like a comment I saw said Ozpin & Ironwood laughing together is kind of wholesome but cursed. I like that these illusions talk stilted/weird to a degree showing the uncanny nature of them. I love that when Roman mentioned reality being fuzzy his face is fuzzy in the animation for a moment before it focuses back on him. When it comes to creativity I like that the clones expressions reflect what/how Neo is feeling as well as her being able to speak through Roman. Although I think this is this version of Roman speaking is what he would have said when he was alive since he is “real” and it doesn’t seem like she takes direct control of him like she does with the others when they have her eye colors because she doesn’t need to as well as not wanting to because of her feelings towards him. I’m glad Ruby is able to stand up for herself at 1st but the way she does it had an aspect of self-destruction to it because of the unhealthy place she’s at. The pose of Neo in Roman’s arms & the way she looks at him showed to me that their relationship was romantic or at least she wanted to be. I understand Yang’s frustration because she wasn’t able to help her sister. However I’m glad Weiss was able to point out some of what was going on being Ruby’s partner. I saw an interesting comment that Yang is not good at giving emotional support but Ruby isn’t good at receiving it. It sucks that they didn’t realize what they’re doing was making her think she had to be perfect because they never wanted her to feel that way. This fight if you could call it that was absolutely brutal physically, emotionally and mentally. Hearing/seeing Pyrrha like this is hard to watch especially because we know most of these people would not blame her/say things like this. Her voice actress Jen Brown said this was her favorite time as this character I assume because she was actually able to be angry & vicious. The Penny part was just mean of CRWBY. It’s interesting to see Neo have to assume that Penny died because she doesn’t know for sure. Of course this would be 1 of the things that emotionally affected Ruby the most with how she feels like she failed her as well as what she is saying confirming to me at least and others that Ruby & Penny had romantic interest in each other. Especially with the look on her face and the redness around her eyes. It was messed up to see Roman choking her with his cane. It was unfortunately great to see Pyrrha’s fighting style again and I agree with what many people have said that we got her in the Maya animation engine but at what cost. Also apparently she is really muscular and it brings up something I & others would really want making other characters especially Yang and I know it would be difficult because the character models are hard/expensive to make but if it was possible I would welcome it. It is very upsetting to see Ruby trying to respond to what these illusions are saying because even though she knows they aren’t real she is emotionally compromised and they are throwing all her doubts & insecurities in her face and she can’t get a moment to think because they keep attacking. Although I think it's a good thing at least part of Ruby knows these things are not her fault. There is some irony in the writing to what IW and Oz are saying with IW talking about doing more harm than good when that’s what he did. And Oz talking about ruining lives is ironic because the real Oz had his own guilt about potentially having done that and how the illusion saying she isn’t a good leader basically connects to him choosing her as the leader. I think a lot of this was brutal but the most shocking moment was Oz hitting her with his cane hard enough to shake the furniture & draw blood. Turning him into Oscar when Ruby decides to defend herself was just putting salt in her wounds. You have to give it to all the voice actors here especially Lindsay doing Ruby’s upsetting, realistic sobbing. Neo turning Clover into Qrow with their connection and how he died and turning Pyrrha into Jaune with everything to do with that relationship was cruel to the audience. It is interesting that most of the illusions Neo created were failed leaders/heroes. Even though there was some suspicion going around about Curious when they showed up many people thought maybe Ruby is going to be okay for 5 seconds before they decide to drop the façade & reveals their Master plan which is really insidious but darkly interesting. I love how the voice actor Robbie transitioned into a really sinister and more rough tone of voice for the heel turn of the Cat it was an amazing performance this episode. The connection to the gods that was implied just makes them a more intriguing & great villain especially going back to see everything they said trying to break Ruby down in subtle ways. Don’t get me wrong I am very upset at what they did this episode but that doesn’t mean they aren’t a good character. Without context Curious being confused when the illusion breaks as Neo just yeets them is funny. Little continuing to help Ruby until the end is very moving. Their death was shocking but not surprising to me because people were thinking Little would die because of what RT is like. While the Oscar moment is what broke Ruby I think she had some hope left but Little’s death destroyed the little remaining hope she had. Her eyes become so dim/lifeless they look more grey than silver. And it was just confirmation that people die because of her in her mind at least. The way Roman comes out from behind Neo is such a smooth animation. Some people complain about the others not doing anything to stop her when they got there but it was happening so fast, they were not able to process what was going on and faced with someone doing something like this in front of you people are likely to freeze. Ruby looking at her loved ones and still going through with this is sad especially if it was to give herself strength thinking about how she doesn’t want them to die because of her. Although what’s even sadder Is she probably thought they were just more illusions so she did this believing she was all alone. Also this being reflected in Yang’s eye is reminiscent of Pyrrha’s death being reflected in Ruby’s eye back in volume 3. Yang has done so much to protect, be there for and love Ruby basically becoming a mother figure that this must have shocked her the most I can’t even imagine what she was feeling probably believing she failed her sister. It looks like she would have collapsed if Blake wasn’t there holding her up. They were always supportive but I think that support will be helped by the next step they have recently taken in their relationship and Yang especially will need that after what just happened. I think the message in regards to Neo that revenge is not worth it because at the end of the day it won’t make you feel better and will end up with you being hollow. I like that what’s going on with her psychologically is literally represented by her chair cracking as well as the mansion falling down around her. Also it says a lot about what’s going through her head that she’s basically in shock for the rest of the episode. It’s sad that Jaune is not shocked like the others having more of a reaction of resignation basically thinking just another person I failed. The voice actor really went in with the villainous vibes with the you still don’t get it do you line. I loved the design of the Curious Cat from the beginning but I really love the design choices & how they transformed this episode. The black and white with the inside of the mouth being red is such a cool/great color scheme. It’s also super disturbing/horrifying with the close up shots & especially the design of the teeth with how unnatural they are. A lot of what was happening this episode representing suicide was disturbing enough but in terms of just imagery the possession is 1 of the most disturbing things in the entire show with Neo’s twitching limbs and how her mouth/jaw is forced open unnaturally wide. Jaune was mostly trying to stop Curious but once he saw what was happening likely at least partially was thinking I need to stop this being done to someone. It’s so unnerving to hear any voice coming from Neo. Before they smiled showing teeth they have that classic cat smile which I love and hate. Focusing on the rain & the tree with no dialogue was a good choice on how to end the episode with how shocking it was. Something I want to talk about is I think it’s valid and understandable to be angry/upset at and not like Neo after everything she did but I think a lot of people have a hard time looking at things like this with the amount of nuance they should. Especially the one person saying she deserved to be possessed which basically takes away bodily autonomy and I’m just like no one deserves that. But even though that was just one person there were plenty of people saying her character should die at the time this episode came out and I don’t agree with that because it would go against this volume’s themes of coming to terms with things since she would not be able to learn from the realization that revenge doesn’t get you anything. And like I have said I think almost no one is beyond redemption. Before the finale I was actually agreeing with someone I watch that if they didn’t at least try to help Neo it would go against who they are as characters. This episode brought on so many theories and discussions which I really like. Crunchyroll really messed up with the spoiler thumbnails 2 of them that you didn’t see & was thankfully changed. Also another mistake they made was that CRWBY actually sent them a more detailed trigger warning which some people needed and it unfortunately wasn’t used. I am always touched by how much empathy & emotional intelligence you have and you really showed that in your discussion. Suicide/depression and the other things being focused on this volume/episode are such important topics that deserve/need to have light shown on them. It gives people facing these issues more visibility which is always a good thing. Also I saw the message you put at the start of the YouTube version of this reaction it’s really touching and heart warming. I know you were having a hard time getting your thoughts together so I don’t think you should feel bad for being confused/not understanding everything in this episode. Also I know you were very upset for a while after this episode so I’m glad the comments were able to help. I meant to get this comment done sooner and I know it’s okay I wasn’t able to but I really enjoy being able to see your responses/give you interesting comments/ information before more episodes come out. And I know you have had a lot of time to think about this episode and seen a lot of comments talking about what I have said but hopefully you are still able to get something out of this comment. There is talk if this is the darkest episode in the show and even if it’s not I think it’s in the top 3 or 5. I know you think so. Awesome reaction & discussion/thoughts. Keep up the great work. :-) <3

I love this episode even though it’s devastating because it was so well done with the themes, character focus, revelations and plot. I liked your talk about the last episode and the comments you got. I enjoy the great conversations last episode and this 1 create/bring up. The episode starts off intense with a 1st person perspective of Ruby just running blindly most likely just wanting to get away & the intensity did not stop. With her not knowing where she was there was a thought I heard from someone that she was at least partially disassociating while running which is interesting to think about. I’m really glad Little tried really hard to be there for her it’s just unfortunate that Ruby wasn’t in a state of mind to be receptive to them. Also Little does not really understand trauma because they are young & naïve. However this episode has convinced me that the idea that Little has some connection to Ruby’s hope might be right. She has really lost all confidence and belief in herself which is sad to see. Honestly it makes a lot of sense that she is pushing everyone away thinking that she is the reason people are dying/getting killed. I love that even with how harsh she was being that Little still wanted to help and followed her because they could sense that Ruby was not okay. I like how everything going to darkness around her reflects Ruby’s state of mind. Even the way she is walking shows how she is feeling doubtful/hesitant and just generally upset. Because of what the EA is like I wasn’t sure if the spotlight on Ruby was metaphorical, the EA making it literal because this world is dramatic or Neo doing it and I think I have settled on it being metaphorical. I’m so glad you read Roman Holiday because while I don’t think you need to have read it to understand what is going on I definitely think it enhances the experience although I know it was hard for you to concentrate on that with the content of the episode. I think this is an ideal version of her original home. I love the paintings and references to the book especially the painting of Trivia with her parents that they specifically had painted both of her eyes brown because they were ashamed of her heterochromia which is a really cool trait so I don’t know why. I like that the paintings show Neo’s life before & after her happy times with Roman like when she originally went after Cinder and the deal with the devil so to speak she made with her. Also of course the largest painting is the one with her and Roman. Interesting that the picture is presented as them having killed her parents when they just got them killed which is an important distinction. I love how Roman was used and the role he filled in this episode and the animation and voice acting really brought it all together. I love both new voice actors and they did a great job playing Roman’s personality while not just copying the original voice actor. Also the 2nd voice actor Chris was good to the point I can’t tell the difference between the voice actors and most can’t unless they have a really good ear. The animation for Roman did such a great job portraying his mannerisms and theatrics that were so iconic back in the 1st 3 volumes. It was so disturbing to see all these clones of dead characters just here especially the beloved Pyrrha and Penny when they are acting like the originals. I think the reason she can do all this is like people have thought this world is making her semblance more powerful but I think Neo is able to make them act like the real versions because of things she knows and has heard or been told and the EA filling in the blanks because it’s a magical world. Also she knows what to get these characters to say things that will break down and negatively affect Ruby is because she has been observing Ruby and her connections/interactions with people as well as Neo guessing and knowing how she wants Ruby to feel. I wish the red heads had gotten to act like this together in reality. Also like a comment I saw said Ozpin & Ironwood laughing together is kind of wholesome but cursed. I like that these illusions talk stilted/weird to a degree showing the uncanny nature of them. I love that when Roman mentioned reality being fuzzy his face is fuzzy in the animation for a moment before it focuses back on him. When it comes to creativity I like that the clones expressions reflect what/how Neo is feeling as well as her being able to speak through Roman. Although I think this is this version of Roman speaking is what he would have said when he was alive since he is “real” and it doesn’t seem like she takes direct control of him like she does with the others when they have her eye colors because she doesn’t need to as well as not wanting to because of her feelings towards him. I’m glad Ruby is able to stand up for herself at 1st but the way she does it had an aspect of self-destruction to it because of the unhealthy place she’s at. The pose of Neo in Roman’s arms & the way she looks at him showed to me that their relationship was romantic or at least she wanted to be. I understand Yang’s frustration because she wasn’t able to help her sister. However I’m glad Weiss was able to point out some of what was going on being Ruby’s partner. I saw an interesting comment that Yang is not good at giving emotional support but Ruby isn’t good at receiving it. It sucks that they didn’t realize what they’re doing was making her think she had to be perfect because they never wanted her to feel that way. This fight if you could call it that was absolutely brutal physically, emotionally and mentally. Hearing/seeing Pyrrha like this is hard to watch especially because we know most of these people would not blame her/say things like this. Her voice actress Jen Brown said this was her favorite time as this character I assume because she was actually able to be angry & vicious. The Penny part was just mean of CRWBY. It’s interesting to see Neo have to assume that Penny died because she doesn’t know for sure. Of course this would be 1 of the things that emotionally affected Ruby the most with how she feels like she failed her as well as what she is saying confirming to me at least and others that Ruby & Penny had romantic interest in each other. Especially with the look on her face and the redness around her eyes. It was messed up to see Roman choking her with his cane. It was unfortunately great to see Pyrrha’s fighting style again and I agree with what many people have said that we got her in the Maya animation engine but at what cost. Also apparently she is really muscular and it brings up something I & others would really want making other characters especially Yang and I know it would be difficult because the character models are hard/expensive to make but if it was possible I would welcome it. It is very upsetting to see Ruby trying to respond to what these illusions are saying because even though she knows they aren’t real she is emotionally compromised and they are throwing all her doubts & insecurities in her face and she can’t get a moment to think because they keep attacking. Although I think it's a good thing at least part of Ruby knows these things are not her fault. There is some irony in the writing to what IW and Oz are saying with IW talking about doing more harm than good when that’s what he did. And Oz talking about ruining lives is ironic because the real Oz had his own guilt about potentially having done that and how the illusion saying she isn’t a good leader basically connects to him choosing her as the leader. I think a lot of this was brutal but the most shocking moment was Oz hitting her with his cane hard enough to shake the furniture & draw blood. Turning him into Oscar when Ruby decides to defend herself was just putting salt in her wounds. You have to give it to all the voice actors here especially Lindsay doing Ruby’s upsetting, realistic sobbing. Neo turning Clover into Qrow with their connection and how he died and turning Pyrrha into Jaune with everything to do with that relationship was cruel to the audience. It is interesting that most of the illusions Neo created were failed leaders/heroes. Even though there was some suspicion going around about Curious when they showed up many people thought maybe Ruby is going to be okay for 5 seconds before they decide to drop the façade & reveals their Master plan which is really insidious but darkly interesting. I love how the voice actor Robbie transitioned into a really sinister and more rough tone of voice for the heel turn of the Cat it was an amazing performance this episode. The connection to the gods that was implied just makes them a more intriguing & great villain especially going back to see everything they said trying to break Ruby down in subtle ways. Don’t get me wrong I am very upset at what they did this episode but that doesn’t mean they aren’t a good character. Without context Curious being confused when the illusion breaks as Neo just yeets them is funny. Little continuing to help Ruby until the end is very moving. Their death was shocking but not surprising to me because people were thinking Little would die because of what RT is like. While the Oscar moment is what broke Ruby I think she had some hope left but Little’s death destroyed the little remaining hope she had. Her eyes become so dim/lifeless they look more grey than silver. And it was just confirmation that people die because of her in her mind at least. The way Roman comes out from behind Neo is such a smooth animation. Some people complain about the others not doing anything to stop her when they got there but it was happening so fast, they were not able to process what was going on and faced with someone doing something like this in front of you people are likely to freeze. Ruby looking at her loved ones and still going through with this is sad especially if it was to give herself strength thinking about how she doesn’t want them to die because of her. Although what’s even sadder Is she probably thought they were just more illusions so she did this believing she was all alone. Also this being reflected in Yang’s eye is reminiscent of Pyrrha’s death being reflected in Ruby’s eye back in volume 3. Yang has done so much to protect, be there for and love Ruby basically becoming a mother figure that this must have shocked her the most I can’t even imagine what she was feeling probably believing she failed her sister. It looks like she would have collapsed if Blake wasn’t there holding her up. They were always supportive but I think that support will be helped by the next step they have recently taken in their relationship and Yang especially will need that after what just happened. I think the message in regards to Neo that revenge is not worth it because at the end of the day it won’t make you feel better and will end up with you being hollow. I like that what’s going on with her psychologically is literally represented by her chair cracking as well as the mansion falling down around her. Also it says a lot about what’s going through her head that she’s basically in shock for the rest of the episode. It’s sad that Jaune is not shocked like the others having more of a reaction of resignation basically thinking just another person I failed. The voice actor really went in with the villainous vibes with the you still don’t get it do you line. I loved the design of the Curious Cat from the beginning but I really love the design choices & how they transformed this episode. The black and white with the inside of the mouth being red is such a cool/great color scheme. It’s also super disturbing/horrifying with the close up shots & especially the design of the teeth with how unnatural they are. A lot of what was happening this episode representing suicide was disturbing enough but in terms of just imagery the possession is 1 of the most disturbing things in the entire show with Neo’s twitching limbs and how her mouth/jaw is forced open unnaturally wide. Jaune was mostly trying to stop Curious but once he saw what was happening likely at least partially was thinking I need to stop this being done to someone. It’s so unnerving to hear any voice coming from Neo. Before they smiled showing teeth they have that classic cat smile which I love and hate. Focusing on the rain & the tree with no dialogue was a good choice on how to end the episode with how shocking it was. Something I want to talk about is I think it’s valid and understandable to be angry/upset at and not like Neo after everything she did but I think a lot of people have a hard time looking at things like this with the amount of nuance they should. Especially the one person saying she deserved to be possessed which basically takes away bodily autonomy and I’m just like no one deserves that. But even though that was just one person there were plenty of people saying her character should die at the time this episode came out and I don’t agree with that because it would go against this volume’s themes of coming to terms with things since she would not be able to learn from the realization that revenge doesn’t get you anything. And like I have said I think almost no one is beyond redemption. Before the finale I was actually agreeing with someone I watch that if they didn’t at least try to help Neo it would go against who they are as characters. This episode brought on so many theories and discussions which I really like. Crunchyroll really messed up with the spoiler thumbnails 2 of them that you didn’t see & was thankfully changed. Also another mistake they made was that CRWBY actually sent them a more detailed trigger warning which some people needed and it unfortunately wasn’t used. I am always touched by how much empathy & emotional intelligence you have and you really showed that in your discussion. Suicide/depression and the other things being focused on this volume/episode are such important topics that deserve/need to have light shown on them. It gives people facing these issues more visibility which is always a good thing. Also I saw the message you put at the start of the YouTube version of this reaction it’s really touching and heart warming. I know you were having a hard time getting your thoughts together so I don’t think you should feel bad for being confused/not understanding everything in this episode. Also I know you were very upset for a while after this episode so I’m glad the comments were able to help. I meant to get this comment done sooner and I know it’s okay I wasn’t able to but I really enjoy being able to see your responses/give you interesting comments/ information before more episodes come out. And I know you have had a lot of time to think about this episode and seen a lot of comments talking about what I have said but hopefully you are still able to get something out of this comment. There is talk if this is the darkest episode in the show and even if it’s not I think it’s in the top 3 or 5. I know you think so. Awesome reaction & discussion/thoughts. Keep up the great work. :-) <3

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2023-06-14 14:18:54 I agree, it was a rough one but so well done! It was sad but sweet to see Little try and help, and that's a good point that Little hasn't quite had the same experiences as Ruby. It does make sense that Ruby is pushing people away because she's afraid of more people getting hurt. Little still following her though &lt;3 Yeah I was glad I read Roman Holiday too!!! The paintings and references were so cool, and interesting point that this is her ideal version of her home. That's true that it is an important distinction between killing her parents and having got them killed. I agree that Roman's new VA did a great job here! The clones were so freaky! Ozpin and Ironwood, wholesome but cursed lol, I love it. Good point that Neo probably picked up a lot about these characters and maybe the EA did the rest. The way she was controlling the clones, Roman in particular, was really interesting for sure. Oof, that's actually kind of a good point about Yang not being good at emotional support, but Ruby not being good at receiving it. Also the Roman/Neo pose did lead me to believe that her feelings are somewhat romantic, which I was never quite sure about. Weiss really summed up the situation well though. It's awful to watch the scene with the clones, because hearing Pyrrha, seeing Ozpin literally draw blood, the irony of Ironwood's dialogue, etc. is bad enough on its own, but Ruby being compromised as you said, just makes it so much worse. That's so cool that Jen Brown enjoyed this scene!!! OMG the Penny part was just twisting the knife soooo badly! That's interesting that the romance between them was implied. Pyrrha's fighting style was great to see in a bad way lol but I get what you mean, seeing her in the new animation is a treat, even if it is under bad circumstances. It makes total sense she'd be muscular! Oof, the Oscar stuff was brutal. Lindsay did such a great job here! And so did Robbie!! They're a great character for sure. Little's death was just too much for me!!! I should know by now that CRWBY is gonna do stuff like this to me lol but I was just so taken aback. I've heard some of the complaints about the crew not jumping in to help her but I think there's more than enough plausible explanation for that - it happening too fast, them not knowing what was going on, or them knowing but becoming frozen with fear in a way. Blake was totally holding Yang up too, you could tell she was not okay. I know, Jaune's reaction just shows how checked out he's become. The cat was HORRIFYING and so well done!! I agree that this was very much addressing themes of suicide. I see what you mean about Neo, I've always found it hard to hate her even after all this, or at least consider her beyond redemption. I was PRETTY DONE with her after Little though lol. I'm so glad I managed to avoid the spoilery thumbnails!!! Thank you for being so understanding about any confusion I had in the wake of this very upsetting episode lol. And I agree that it's a good thing to bring attention and focus to people struggling with mental health issues. I'm glad you appreciated my preface on the YouTube video!! I definitely got something out of your comment!!! Thank you for being so patient with me, I'm sorry it took forever to get back to you! Every time I sat down to write, something came up. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, I really enjoyed reading what you have to say!!! And thanks, as always, for all your kindness and support! ^_^
2023-06-12 13:51:12 I agree, it was a rough one but so well done! It was sad but sweet to see Little try and help, and that's a good point that Little hasn't quite had the same experiences as Ruby. It does make sense that Ruby is pushing people away because she's afraid of more people getting hurt. Little still following her though <3 Yeah I was glad I read Roman Holiday too!!! The paintings and references were so cool, and interesting point that this is her ideal version of her home. That's true that it is an important distinction between killing her parents and having got them killed. I agree that Roman's new VA did a great job here! The clones were so freaky! Ozpin and Ironwood, wholesome but cursed lol, I love it. Good point that Neo probably picked up a lot about these characters and maybe the EA did the rest. The way she was controlling the clones, Roman in particular, was really interesting for sure. Oof, that's actually kind of a good point about Yang not being good at emotional support, but Ruby not being good at receiving it. Also the Roman/Neo pose did lead me to believe that her feelings are somewhat romantic, which I was never quite sure about. Weiss really summed up the situation well though. It's awful to watch the scene with the clones, because hearing Pyrrha, seeing Ozpin literally draw blood, the irony of Ironwood's dialogue, etc. is bad enough on its own, but Ruby being compromised as you said, just makes it so much worse. That's so cool that Jen Brown enjoyed this scene!!! OMG the Penny part was just twisting the knife soooo badly! That's interesting that the romance between them was implied. Pyrrha's fighting style was great to see in a bad way lol but I get what you mean, seeing her in the new animation is a treat, even if it is under bad circumstances. It makes total sense she'd be muscular! Oof, the Oscar stuff was brutal. Lindsay did such a great job here! And so did Robbie!! They're a great character for sure. Little's death was just too much for me!!! I should know by now that CRWBY is gonna do stuff like this to me lol but I was just so taken aback. I've heard some of the complaints about the crew not jumping in to help her but I think there's more than enough plausible explanation for that - it happening too fast, them not knowing what was going on, or them knowing but becoming frozen with fear in a way. Blake was totally holding Yang up too, you could tell she was not okay. I know, Jaune's reaction just shows how checked out he's become. The cat was HORRIFYING and so well done!! I agree that this was very much addressing themes of suicide. I see what you mean about Neo, I've always found it hard to hate her even after all this, or at least consider her beyond redemption. I was PRETTY DONE with her after Little though lol. I'm so glad I managed to avoid the spoilery thumbnails!!! Thank you for being so understanding about any confusion I had in the wake of this very upsetting episode lol. And I agree that it's a good thing to bring attention and focus to people struggling with mental health issues. I'm glad you appreciated my preface on the YouTube video!! I definitely got something out of your comment!!! Thank you for being so patient with me, I'm sorry it took forever to get back to you! Every time I sat down to write, something came up. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, I really enjoyed reading what you have to say!!! And thanks, as always, for all your kindness and support! ^_^
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I agree, it was a rough one but so well done! It was sad but sweet to see Little try and help, and that's a good point that Little hasn't quite had the same experiences as Ruby. It does make sense that Ruby is pushing people away because she's afraid of more people getting hurt. Little still following her though <3 Yeah I was glad I read Roman Holiday too!!! The paintings and references were so cool, and interesting point that this is her ideal version of her home. That's true that it is an important distinction between killing her parents and having got them killed. I agree that Roman's new VA did a great job here! The clones were so freaky! Ozpin and Ironwood, wholesome but cursed lol, I love it. Good point that Neo probably picked up a lot about these characters and maybe the EA did the rest. The way she was controlling the clones, Roman in particular, was really interesting for sure. Oof, that's actually kind of a good point about Yang not being good at emotional support, but Ruby not being good at receiving it. Also the Roman/Neo pose did lead me to believe that her feelings are somewhat romantic, which I was never quite sure about. Weiss really summed up the situation well though. It's awful to watch the scene with the clones, because hearing Pyrrha, seeing Ozpin literally draw blood, the irony of Ironwood's dialogue, etc. is bad enough on its own, but Ruby being compromised as you said, just makes it so much worse. That's so cool that Jen Brown enjoyed this scene!!! OMG the Penny part was just twisting the knife soooo badly! That's interesting that the romance between them was implied. Pyrrha's fighting style was great to see in a bad way lol but I get what you mean, seeing her in the new animation is a treat, even if it is under bad circumstances. It makes total sense she'd be muscular! Oof, the Oscar stuff was brutal. Lindsay did such a great job here! And so did Robbie!! They're a great character for sure. Little's death was just too much for me!!! I should know by now that CRWBY is gonna do stuff like this to me lol but I was just so taken aback. I've heard some of the complaints about the crew not jumping in to help her but I think there's more than enough plausible explanation for that - it happening too fast, them not knowing what was going on, or them knowing but becoming frozen with fear in a way. Blake was totally holding Yang up too, you could tell she was not okay. I know, Jaune's reaction just shows how checked out he's become. The cat was HORRIFYING and so well done!! I agree that this was very much addressing themes of suicide. I see what you mean about Neo, I've always found it hard to hate her even after all this, or at least consider her beyond redemption. I was PRETTY DONE with her after Little though lol. I'm so glad I managed to avoid the spoilery thumbnails!!! Thank you for being so understanding about any confusion I had in the wake of this very upsetting episode lol. And I agree that it's a good thing to bring attention and focus to people struggling with mental health issues. I'm glad you appreciated my preface on the YouTube video!! I definitely got something out of your comment!!! Thank you for being so patient with me, I'm sorry it took forever to get back to you! Every time I sat down to write, something came up. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, I really enjoyed reading what you have to say!!! And thanks, as always, for all your kindness and support! ^_^