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Amy Diehl

Bartise was just a DICK!! He talked to her family like complete SHIT. And poodz is 100% CORRECT that he is acting like Nancy owes him something. He kind of acts like everybody owes him something. I was not surprised at how her family acted at all I completely expected it. That's especially how it is in a Hispanic family They are very very tight in it and anything that happens to their siblings they feel like it happens to them. I am that way too!!! Nancy girl CUT THIS OFF

April V

Remember on the Wedding Singer when the strings are playing "Don't Stop Believing" and the bride doesn't show up and the music gets all warped and distorted?? Every single time I heard those strings play I thought of that scene! 🤣

__fieldnotes

God bless y’all for this. I stayed up hella late to watch it the second it came out and then was dying to talk about it, glad “we” can “talk” about it, queens!

Cara Corona

Love the obscure references Lil Abner..🤣

amy

i woke up at 5am in ny to watch this bec i saw you posted this!!! so fun! among other things, thinking abt the photo of her parents, and boy did zanab turn out to be so beautiful despite parents who obviously did not win the genetic lottery.!

amy

yes very telenovella!!!

Sonia Allen

Poodle I’m a couple of years older than you and we did Li’l Abner in middle school.

Kathy

I’ve been skipping the show and just listening to the pod. I might actually watch the reunion (and this ep).

Tay

I am not well. I stayed up to watch the episode. I did the reunion…and then I sat in the dark for an hour because of the unseen scene they ended with. I have 4 kids under 6, one being a newborn, and it was worth the amount of coffee that I will need today 🤣

Nicole

That reunion was INTENSE, y’all

Honora Greenwood Rodriguez

I don’t know what to think about Z and Cole. He was awful to her. But the cutie scene was nothing. I do think it was premeditated….her wedding speech. But I didn’t disagree with it! Best season ever. My brother is a republican hunter doctor in TX and loves the show. We just had an hour long phone call about it.

Whitney anderson

Uhhhh I need y’all to talk about the reunion. I’m dying to hear your thoughts on the cuties scene. I’ve never felt bad for a cast member the way I have cole.

Whitney anderson

I was confused and kind of believed her until I saw the very end scene where they played cuties gate and then I was out on her. I think she lost all credibility after that.

Frances

I have disliked Cole since the pods, he’s fake and a child but thinks he’s so mature. Good for Z for standing up for herself and to him. I think it’s imports at to show on tv. He was terrible to her over and over. I don’t understand the Cole empathy. None of the nagging she did compares to the bipolar comments or “be sweet” or her looks.

Missy Fuller

Unpopular opinion, Z needs a lot of therapy, she lost her parents and that’s absolutely devastating, she was (in my opinion) hard to please, critical, didn’t hear a lot of things said to her. Now, that said, I think Cole is an F-boy & thank god these two didn’t marry.

Jessica Pyper

Cole showed his ass. But IMO, so did Z. They both treated each other poorly at times. Unless more happened off camera that we aren’t aware of, she was just as bad, if not worse than him. I think she wanted to pull a *Depti* but what she did was planned, and borderline sadistic. You’re really going to pray ahead of your ceremony, then turn around and completely roast the person you just said you loved 5 minutes ago? She’s not a victim. Her insecurities and the way she views herself existed before Cole, not because of him. Girl, get some therapy and look at your own behavior. If we saw a man treat a woman the way Z treated Cole, it’d be labeled emotional abuse.

Jessica Pyper

I absolutely hated Cole during the couples retreat episodes, and at times, I was literally screaming at the TV: “I can’t wait for Mattie and Poodle to come at you, asshole” But my opinion changed as we got further into the season. And I think she was just really difficult and hard to please. Idk. They should have a full episode and just dissect their relationship and where things went wrong lol.

Ryce

This was in no way an unpopular opinion. Girl needs to work on herself first.

Val McCue

Can you imagine the uproar if it had been the other way around? He’s no prize but she’s just awful, how “Christian” of her after that prayer and then spew hatred like that, YIKES!

__fieldnotes

Y’all- every other season had SIX couples except this one, and 2 couples each season said yes / got married. This season was filmed in 2021, not 2020 lol.

__fieldnotes

Also they all had the same wedding venue this season!

Danielle Lively

Zanab wanted to be Deepti. Ick. Even with them being completely mismatched, why give a loving speech just to flip out on him during the vows!

Jeida Mitchell

Zanab and Cole got me so confused! The wedding was awful to watch. And I think they both have things to work on. But lord the stuff Zay is saying in the reunion that he did off camera is disgusting. And this cutie scene, I don’t even know what to think.

Steph 👩🏻‍🦰

Cole isn’t a great person. But he hurt her *unintentionally* because he is immature and clueless, despite loving her. But there were moments when he seemed to actually care and comfort her. Zanab is mean-spirited. She intentionally decided to hurt him and rip him apart in front of their friends and family/on TV. The things she said lead me to believe she never loved him. They shouldn’t have been together, but she has intentions to hurt someone where he does not. He’s an idiot, but she is cruel.

Jessica Pyper

I just watched it. And OMG! I think I need a support group now. Do you think she was just so insecure and had body image issues before that everything he said was interpreted through that view? I’m so damn confused.

Shante

I need y’all to discuss the reunion so we can talk about Cutie-gate

__fieldnotes

ALSO ALSO! I don’t think cole would’ve said yes, I def think he was gonna say no! But they asked zanab first

Steph 👩🏻‍🦰

Also! Matt was TOTALLY let off the hook during the reunion. I wished they had focused less on Cole and gone in more on Bartise & Matt. His behavior was the scariest and poor Colleen is still with him! No one said anything about his blow-ups

Jeida Mitchell

I’ve been thinking about it and yes. Because having struggled with my relationship with food I can imagine anything he said about food could feel they way she heard it. And from the cuties clip what he was saying would be pretty benign I think for someone that doesn’t have as deep rooted issues. And I also get the feeling she hasn’t done any work or hasn’t done enough work to feel safe enough or trusts him enough to tell her partner “this is my relationship with food. Please act accordingly.” Because i do feel like Cole would have tried to respect that.

Jessica Pyper

Please release the reunion episode. I’m dying. I’ve rewatched the Cuties scene 5 times. I need ya’ll to talk about it before I can move on with my life.

Nanda

Matt & Colleen's segment: "It is unfortunate that happened to me and it wasn't that I was unacceptable and unlovable, but that these things happen and this was done to me, but I'm not determined by this event." PREACH, SISTER!!!!!

Peggy Ann

Of course Colleen is a better actor than you thought. Dancers need to have acting skills, especially if there’s a story to the piece they are performing

Claire Pancerz

I totally agree. Cole made me nuts during this show; I’m honestly not a fan of either of them. But I do see him as being extremely immature and unready for marriage. His mistakes were mistakes of youth and inexperience. She deliberately set out to punish him at that ceremony. What mitigates in her favor is Alexa’s support. There does seem to be something in the allegations that the rest of the cast made about how Cole treated her with disrespect. That is still no reason to rip him apart publicly.

Claire Pancerz

I thought Colleen’s eyes looked so sad at the reunion (I could be projecting). And Nancy dodged a bullet. Bartise was not ready to get married. I don’t think he would even have married Raven if they had gotten engaged. His thinking and his reaction to real life scenarios comes from not having experienced enough of life - and thinking way too highly of himself. He knew when he got Nancy’s gift that he was going to say no, and for him to send that shot and say “let’s do this” when he had no intention of doing it was awful. There was nothing personal or warm about his gesture. She deserves better.

Raie

Nancy and Bartise is giving Fraudacity. Nancy already proved herself to be a good actress during the Andrew drinks conversation and then B saying "you're F-Ing this up" to her family cuz they had it worked out that he would say no then try and say they're gonna work on it later, for her to have her Depti-lite moment of saying no. I don’t know just what my gut was telling me!!!

Claire Pancerz

Also, can people stop asking, “is he/she your person”?? We’re not on fucking Gray’s Anatomy.

Marki

If only you could see me screaming “LIL ABNER” in my car

Steph 👩🏻‍🦰

I think it also says a lot that Cole seemed to have genuine remorse and apologized to everyone. He seemed to have really been affected by seeing his shit behavior on TV, and I hope he will change. Zanab didn’t apologize for anything and seemed super pleased with herself the whole time.

Amy Lemaniak

Agree 100 with you guys on Zanab! She needs to do so much internal work!

Megan

I am so glad Brennon said yes bc otherwise, he would be on the bus tour.

Bree

Father Alexa is a stone cold fox thank you for bringing that up 🙌

Emily

Same with Raven and SK. They had that shit planned all the way out.

Alison Batten

I am so scared to listen to the Patreon because I’m worried I’m going to fall on the opposite side of you from Z 😬

Diana Lee

White cis het men like Cole constantly get passes in life that no one else gets. Cole and Zanab were a toxic combination and they are a huge mismatch. Calling her a nag and saying she’s emasculating him is misogynistic. Full stop. Perhaps she can have made a mean choice without us pretending that a prerequisite for successful relationships is bending to the needs of men.

Diana Lee

My greatest hope for her (and others on this show) is that they find their way to an excellent therapist.

Diana Lee

I don’t get it, either. Of course what Zanab said was be hurtful and likely unnecessary. Yet I have empathy for the pain she’s clearly trying to survive.

Diana Lee

I’m expecting Colleen and Matt to go the same way as Danielle and Nick. Just a gut feeling.

Diana Lee

Thanks, as always, for a great discussion of nuanced situations.

Heather D.

I’ll be there too after the reunion… Time wrote a really good article on the “Cuties” scene…

Heather D.

Z and C continue to be fucking compelling television. A good article on the Cuties clip and the various ways it could be interpreted (don’t read unless you have watched the finale!) https://time.com/6231990/love-is-blind-zanab-cole-cuties/

Lucy Robinson

My dad was in lil abner in high school, and he graduated in 1969

Jennifer Moseley

Is Nancy’s brother’s triple Windsor knot a thing? It was about a five minute conversation between me and my poor spouse I have dragged into this shitshow.

Alison Batten

Omg thanks be to baby Jesus you came for Z as I hoped you would. After the reunion she is so obviously a PATHOLOGICAL liar! Girl is nuts, I don’t believe a word she says about the bachelor party or his “confession” to her and she is a shell of a person with no access to depth of emotion other than anger. She has unfortunately been told god has taken care of her parents, they’re angels looking out for her and everything’s “fine”….those scenes with her step mom where she says I wish mom and dad were here, then immediately the step mom cuts her off and says “they are!” Is heartbreaking. Let the fucking girl grieve for once! Just say “I know, me too…it’s not fair.” It drove me nuts bc it happened so often. I 1000% believe cole loved her - the way he was watching her as they did the moment of silence for her parents at the alter-he’s not that good of an actor. Was he great? NOPE. But she lost credibility. And to continue to say how great of a person he is and how much she loved him while then naming all of these horrible things he supposedly did was completely ridiculous. There’s no way you would think someone was a good person if they supposedly were fat shaming you, breaking you down constantly, and cheating on you. That’s absurd.

Moy

Colleen’s sister was really not so subtly begging her not to go through with it.

ElizaDarlene

LiL Abner was the first musical I saw

Alexandra MacQueef

You’re right! Same conversation I had with my older brother. At first we thought it was a four-in-hand, then we were sure it was a full Windsor plus something else.

Val McCue

Ughh… THANK YOU! I was wishing the rabbi would had said something!

Lily C

Hey, I’m just wondering why we constantly let men off the hook for being “immature and clueless”, why is that an excuse? Society has a tendency to not hold men accountable and use that as a rationale, as if they’re not full grown adults who should have social awareness and some tact.

Stephanie Bloss

My mother literally called our entire family "shit from Dog Patch USA", and now I know what the reference is from! Am I happy? Idk.

Lily C

I honestly get the cutie scene from both sides. And I liked the article someone linked below. Growing up I had tons of family members who made comments ,like the ones Cole made, about what and how much I was eating, and it really impacts you. If you haven’t worked through that, I can see how a “small” comment about tangerines can trigger.

Sarah Kirwan

I did a production of Lil Abner in 8th grade 2001. It was a fun one.

Sarah Kirwan

I don't think Cole got off Scott free based on how wrecked he was at the reunion. I think they were both wrong in their own ways. I don't think your partner should ever comment on what you eat, but Zanab seemed to have an issue with her self esteem from the start.

Emily K

Wow! I'd use that photo for everything, so cool! 😭

Celeste Demby

She never communicated with him in a way that was not passive aggressive. If she didn't want him to comment on her food intake she should have told him not to and how it made her feel bad. Cole was a jerk at times but I never got a sense that he was being purposely malicious. And you can hold people accountable without being cruel.

Tess

I agree the wedding made it very clear that Zanab needs therapy and should not have been on this show. She has a lot of issues that she needs to work on and a relationship will never help you work on those issues.

Tess

I also agree Zanab tore him down, but then would say I think you are a good guy. If you think he is such a "good guy" why say all of that IN FRONT of everyone. She should of told him after the wedding or write it down as a note and read it to the camera if she really wanted it to be known

Kim Longo

Colleen looked terrified during the reunion, or was that just me. It felt like she either had a bad case of the runs or she was giving signals with her eyes. It was a strange vibe.

Diana Lee

Hopefully they both came away with some idea of who and how they want to be going forward.

Alexandra MacQueef

Did you guys comment on the incel nerd herd that were Bartise’s groomsmen or did I dream that? I think you did and you said he’s the type of guy who surrounds himself with other men who are physically smaller, empirically less handsome and monetarily not as accomplished as he is so he always feels superior. DING DING DING 🛎️ 🛎️ 🛎️

Anna Gilbert

Thank you. I am so sick of this narrative. Cole knew what he was doing. He let the mask/facade drop several times. But he’s cute and white and has creepy youth pastor vibes that people are just apparently eating up, so he’s the innocent golden retriever baby and she’s the calculated hag. And to see it being echoed by women is so frustrating. What a stale narrative.

Laura Kalisch

Poodle!!! HOW did you not comment on Alexa’s (hot as fuck) dad chewing gum during the ceremony?? 😂

Nikki

I was thinking that may be Nicorette gum?

Lisa F

the zanab moment was confusing given all her whispers to Cole at the alter telling him she loved him and seemed all in. I disagree with the guys in saying this denigrates (not word uses but something like that) couples that wed that day and on previous episodes. I think a lot of this is constructed to surprise all of us even friends and family. That’s why they they showed Bartise crying about the small gifts he received from Nancy on wedding day to make it seem like he was going to say yes and then that seemed blindsided…down to his own father crying while watching. The producers clearly want a surprise factor because otherwise all of them could tip each other off before wedding day. Producers know if even the other person knows, there’s no amount of acting skills that can pull off genuine surprise.

Diana Kohnke

I just finiahed this last night and listening to ypu guys, I feel like Zanab might have been planning her revenge from the moment they were I'm bed talking about the pool party and Coleen.

C Iyaji

Love definitely isn't blind cause if this show was to actually feature people who were disabled, actually fat, openly queer/GNC, diverse in literally anyway it would have way more hold.

Morgan

Poodle’s targeting me again! Please come at me for all things Dogpatch USA! I grew up at that theme park. It was my first job (magician’s assistant). It is my largest area of expertise. 🤣🤣