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I guess we have to talk about this.

Sometimes you build up an image of a celebrity in your mind and then, in a single moment of lost control, they slap it to pieces. Since celebrity worship is literally the modern American religion (and don’t even bother arguing with me on that), a moment like this can be felt by the public as actual trauma. But, a little time has passed now, so I feel like this is a good opportunity to try to process it. Let’s watch the clip, walk through it moment by moment, and try to understand.

For those of you who’ve been living under a rock, I’m obviously talking about this infamous incident in which rock legend Eddie Vedder drunkenly makes the worst margarita of all time. WARNING: If you’ve never seen this video, it takes an abrupt, upsetting twist near the end.

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The clip is from a lockdown-era Zoom gathering, a livestreamed substitute for the canceled Ohana Music Festival in September of 2020. Eddie hosted it from his kitchen (or maybe it’s just the wet bar in his music room?) and immediately it’s clear that what Eddie is about to make is by no means his first drink of the day.

“In honor of my favorite group...” he slurs before pausing, smiling and briefly forgetting where he is, “well, one of them, but from Seattle for sure, my favorite group Mudhoney, this is gonna be my last margarita for the summer.” A bold proclamation to make on September 24, Eddie!

Into a plastic cup of ice he pours all of the tequila that remains in one bottle, finds another bottle that he believes also has some tequila in it and pours all that in, then finds a third bottle and says, “A little bit of this, whatever the fuck that is.” Finally, he grabs a bottle of Pineapple juice and says, “A little bit of this, to sweeten it up a bit” and dumps in about two cups’ worth. He drunkenly sings, “Suck... you dry...” as he grinds it all up in his Magic Bullet blender, then takes a sip directly from the blender cup:

“Whew! Jesus...” he exclaims. “It needs a little lime and I just went all through the place to find a lime and I don’t have any limes.” While saying this, he glances around as if he did, in fact, search his entire home for a lime, because he exists in a space in which no lime’s discovery, regardless of location, can ever be considered a surprise. He takes another drink and, in what I believe should be featured in future textbooks as an example of drunk logic, shakes his head and says, “It needs somethin’ green.” He hunts around and finds the only thing green in his Margarita Room:

A fucking jar of pickles.

Pleased with his good fortune, he enthusiastically slaps one down on the counter, looks around for something to cut it with, reaches down...

...and, without hesitation, confusion or comment, grabs a full-size ax:

Rock legend Eddie Vedder then proceeds to chop up the pickle with his ax in a way that suggests he has done it many times, then plops the entire chopped-up pickle into his margarita. He takes a drink, sounds like he is crunching one of the pickle chunks, and says, “It ain’t that bad!” before ending the segment by holding up the cup, saying, “Here’s to Mudhoney!” a band which, based on the context, he apparently hates.

Now, readers under a certain age might be a little confused. “From what I gather, this ‘Eddie Vedder’ gentleman appears to be a cross between Jimmy Buffett, The Dude from The Big Lebowski and Homer Simpson from the ‘Flaming Moe’ episode...”

“...that is, he just appears to be a chill old guy living his best life, refusing to let the troubles of the world spoil his ‘I define the beach as wherever I happen to be!’ vibe. I kind of wish he was my dad.” Unfortunately, explaining the significance that this video holds for someone like me requires a brief history lesson and a bitter preview of the cold, treacherous wilderness that is middle age. So, buckle the fuck up.

First, note that cultural trailblazers always get watered down with time, and here I mean “watered down” in the sense that the Grand Canyon is the result of granite getting “watered down.” That’s why some of you only know Dr. Dre as the Beats headphones guy instead of a gangsta rap pioneer, and it’s why when Robin Williams passed, the internet was full of, “Oh, no! Not Mrs Doubtfire!”

In the case of Eddie Vedder and Pearl Jam, we must briefly rewind to the mid-1980s, when rock music had seized on all of the satirical tropes from This is Spinal Tap and turned them up to 11. Sorry, I need a moment to reflect on the fact that the “This goes to 11!” joke is nearly 40 years old, so for today’s kids it’s the equivalent of the ancient WW2-era Bugs Bunny cartoons I watched as a child in elementary school. Huh.

Anyway, that was the state of rock when I was a kid.

The music was shallow, stupid, sexist and theatrical to the point of absurdity. Then, in the early 90s, a pack of bands from the dreary Northwestern USA blasted onto the scene in a cloud of flannel and unwashed hair. The music was honest, stripped-down and emotionally raw. Mindless lyrics about partying with underage groupies were replaced with heart-wrenching tales of abuse, depression and longing. They were the proverbial ax to the glam metal scene’s pickle.

The most celebrated of these groups was Nirvana but the most commercially successful was Eddie Vedder’s Pearl Jam. Vedder was thus plastered on the cover of TIME magazine as the face of the movement:

“‘All the Rage?’ Is that supposed to be some kind of ironic joke?” says my hypothetical young reader. “The Eddie I just saw looks about as angry as a heavily sedated capybara.” But the younger version of the grinning, middle-aged sentient pickle margarita you saw earlier once hit the scene with a voice that seared itself into the zeigeist like a fucking branding iron, combining thunderous arena rock with lyrics that displayed his innermost trauma like a vivisected animal pinned to a dissecting table. Pearl Jam’s first album arrived when I was 17 and some of these songs hit me so hard that I couldn’t listen to them. I couldn’t handle it. There’s no joke here; I emotionally couldn’t make it through some of these tracks without finding it hard to breathe.

This man took all of my most closely-guarded self-loathing, dragged it out into the light and set it to music so haunting and piercing that I couldn’t believe it existed. It felt illegal. No artist has touched me that way before or since. “This man,” I said tearfully to my disapproving parents, “wants no part of your artificial, shallow, picklerita world.”

On stage, he glowered and trembled, seemingly struggling to hold his fragile sanity together. In interviews, he brooded and mumbled, hinting at his dark past and how music was his escape. “Some day,” I said in awe, “I hope they make a Batman like this.”

But there was always this hint of negativity behind the scenes, the other Seattle-area bands frequently making snide little comments to the press. For you see, Eddie Vedder was not from there, he was a surfer kid from San Diego who, some claimed, made the move to the Seattle scene specifically because that’s where the most lucrative deals were getting done. Further, some enjoyed pointing out that the brooding, tortured act vanished the moment he was out of the public eye, Vedder instantly becoming a smiling, life-of-the-party goofball.

And where Kurt Cobain absolutely did come from a troubled background of abuse, addiction and homelessness, it didn’t take long for music journalists to figure out that Eddie Vedder’s similar claims were a real surprise to the people who’d actually known him. Rolling Stone interviewed a bunch of his old classmates who pointed out that young Eddie was maybe the most popular kid in school, a star drama student who took the lead role in every play; a joyful, magnetic personality who was clearly going places. The tortured grimacing you saw on stage, the article implied, was the work of a trained actor playing a character, a career-minded striver who simply figured out where the market was going. If he’d been born ten years earlier, maybe he’d have been up there in teased hair and leather pants, singing about how he wasn’t looking for nothin’ but a good time.

“Back up,” you say, “I feel like a few minutes ago I was watching a dude chop a pickle like a limp log, how the fuck did we wind up here?”

Good question. To bring the point around, let’s turn our attention to one of the guys you probably thought I was going to talk about at the top of the article: a longtime standup comedian who, to the kids, is probably only known for his animated voice work. I am of course referring to Larry the Cable Guy. It has to be confusing for any youth finding out that the cartoon character Tow Mater...

...is credited to “Larry the Cable Guy”...

...when of course “Larry the Cable Guy” is also not a real person, but a cartoonish redneck character played by comedian Daniel Whitney. In other words, it’s a character played by a character played by a guy from Nebraska who was educated in one of the top private schools in the country. I realize no adult should be surprised to find that’s not his real accent or personality, but it’s still startling to see him do interviews out of character (though not as alarming as hearing Gilbert Gottfried’s real voice). That’s when you realize that, unlike his co-stars, when Whitney leaves the studio and goes out into public, he can’t really be himself -- he can only pull back one layer, to yet another character. That has to be weird, right?

But then you think, wait a minute, is it possible that all of his peers are doing the same thing? Is everyone in the public eye just playing a role they’ve carefully developed in front of a mirror, the way Eddie Vedder was accused of consciously practicing his “deep, disturbed artist” mannerisms? I mentioned earlier that some kids today only know Dr. Dre as the Beats headphones guy and/or Eminem’s grouchy mentor, but really old-school fans remember that before he was a gangsta rapper, he was the DJ for the ‘80s electro dance group World Class Wreckin Cru. That’s him, in in the red vinyl suit:

“But Dre really did grow up in South Central LA! Gang violence was so rampant he had to change schools!” Sure, but my point isn’t that these people are all phonies (though you have to wonder where Dre would be today if he’d successfully gotten the job at Northrop Aviation he applied for out of high school); my point is that it has to be a kind of prison, feeling like you have to play a character every moment you’re in public. The lingering suspicion no one loves or cares about you, but only the costume you wear, must be suffocating. Hell, can you even fully drop the act in private?

And even worse, for some reason we have no trouble believing the seemingly happy dude is secretly tortured, but really struggle to grasp that some do the opposite. That’s the paradox of Eddie Vedder; it was liberating for a young me to hear that I didn’t have to perform being happy, that I could talk about my trauma and openly allow it to be a part of who I was. But at some point, it became cool in our culture to be the brooding depressive. As a society, we started to equate sadness with thoughtful intelligence and happiness with blithe ignorance. Now, it’s like you’re not cool unless you have trauma -- we demand that even our Superman struggle with PTSD. If a TV character smiles too much, then their happiness needs to either be the result of vacant obliviousness...

...or a mask to disguise a tragic past:

That, for me, is the lesson of the incident the press would come to call Pickleritagate. The initial shock implied that somehow Ten-era Eddie Vedder had tricked us into thinking he was a deep, thoughtful artist instead of the ukulele-plucking Spicoli he was behind closed doors. But why can’t a fun-loving goofball also make profound, emotionally complex art? Why can’t we acknowledge that all of us are playing roles for the public, especially in the social media age? Why can’t we feel it as relief when a superstar drops the mask, even if we don’t like what we see? Especially if we don’t like it?

After all, aren’t those the moments that put cracks in our collective delusion that these people are somehow larger-than-life demigods instead of regular human beings with extremely specific, lucrative talents? I say the sooner we shatter that delusion, the better. Let’s be very frank here: There’s only one “celebrity” you should be “worshiping” and you won’t find them in Hollywood.

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Comments

CHAUGGLE

You're right, Jason, this has upset me.

Flippant Sausage

Miyamoto Musashi wrote: "From one thing, know ten thousand things." I maybe don't know or can infer ten thousand things exactly about Eddie Vedder, but I feel like I have a grasp of the spiritual essence of a man who cuts pickles for a margarita with an axe.

sissyneck

yes this makes a person wonder if perhaps maybe soon after mr. vader got known for his persona did he show up to a gathering like a grunge bbq or maybe what looked like a pretty fun discord and then realized that: not only was the spicoli version of him not really invited but also that his character was more for entertainment than to do "hang out" with and so maybe he just turnt around and went home to console himself with his many many other buds and untold Colombia House riches

Clementine Danger

I think my generation's this was that guy from The Strokes turning out to be a boarding school rich kid with industry ties. The way I remember it the entertainment press really REALLY wanted to make a scandal out of that but we just couldn't get it up. I know my circles reacted with a heartfelt "who the fuck cares, there's a war and an economic collapse going on and the cops have tanks now, let us have the tunes man" and I think that's an improvement?

Curtiss

This is a really great article about what in Pro Wrestling is called "Kayfabe", the act of always being in character, even when you're not performing. To an extent, we all do this. This is a solid, enlightening, article.

FancyShark

This is insane. Axes are for chopping dry vegetables only.

Harris Nye

So that raises the question: what character is Jason Pargin playing in public? Where does the character end and the real person begin?

Jeff Orasky

I never got into grunge. For me, Weird Al doing grunge parodies was much more relevant. Honestly, that can be said for most musical genres.

Steven Carlson

The Gottfried thing sounds like a mistake that slipped into our reality from another world, one where Gilbert is the third most successful salesman at a small East Coast liquor distributor.

Jeff Orasky

And to be 100% clear, if Weird Al made a picklerita, I would freak the hell out. And then try one, with a twinkie wiener sandwich.

Joshua Graves

Ah, so now we're talking about Jungian personae and how everyone is always performing whether they even realize it or not?

Brendan McGinley

This is the rare day where you start off upset and then end up mentally better than before you started.

Clementine Danger

Well, see, bear with me, but at some point in my mid-twenties I got tired of the reaction people gave me when I said I didn't want kids and the endless incredulous demands for my reasons ("well see I've got the dysphoria and the thought of something alive growing in my uterus is a body horror on levels you can't conceive of, my aunt's pushy friend whose name I didn't quite catch") so I just started saying I couldn't have kids. Real sad like. Bear with me still. This backfired enormously when a friend heard that and confided in me that she too was unhappily infertile and I had to explain I was just saying shit. She was so mad and I don't blame her. Bear with me some more. She'd made herself vulnerable and felt betrayed and exposed. She was expecting an equivalent exchange of vulnerability and instead she ended up exposing her deepest hurt to someone who didn't share that pain and couldn't even commiserate. I think it's the same with artists. Our dumbass brains can't actually tell the difference between our loved ones who know who we are and have a roughly equivalent relationship with us, and parasocial relationships. It literally can't tell them apart unless we train it to. So when a goofy fun-time song and dance man turns out to be depressed behind the scenes, that's sad and we can feel empathy and we understand they keep their soft underbelly hidden because don't we all. But the other way around, that feels like a betrayal, because we shared a moment of vulnerability with this person. We didn't, but remember, our idiot headmeat doesn't know that. It thinks we are best pals with Eddie and he sings just for us. And because of the way we treat vulnerability (badly and stupidly), exposing yourself like that presents a risk, and if someone lures you out under false pretenses, like only pretending to be depressed for art or lying about being infertile to shut you the fucking fuck up about cunting babies aunt Andrea, well, we get angry. They present a threat. I know it's obvious I just needed to type it out for myself.

Vooster

Damn. You're right I think parasocial relationships are a lot stronger than we give them credit for, and it's important to recognize that the feeling we have towards celebrities are real but one sided and based on a persona and not a person. Anyway, I'm pouring a baby out just for you!

Clementine Danger

I'm never quite sure how hot of a topic parasocial relationships are or were. It seemed like a few years ago everyone was talking about it, but that could have just been my little corner of the internet. So just in case anyone's interested, I think Shannon Strucci's documentary Parasocial Hell and its follow-up videos are up there with the most important essays of our time for people in my age bracket (elder millennial). The Bo Burnham episode in particular got its hooks in my soul and that's where it lives now. Anyway I'll drink to that!

Steven Clark

I've never been a fan of this mindset, where you find evidence that a guy smiled one time and you use that as proof that he was lying every time he ever said he was sad. It's a really shallow way to look at the human condition. There's a bunch of video online that makes me look like a happy, carefree guy. And I am, sometimes. Also, I tried to hang myself when I was 24. These things don't contradict each other.

Flippant Sausage

One of the things I'm grateful for frequently about being born before the internet was really a thing is that when my teen brain was still soft and buttery I didn't have the tools to form as intense a parasocial attachment to someone as people do now. It was way easier to find your favorite creative (for me it was authors, just as an example) is a real weirdo\fascist\homophobe\transphobe\general shithead when you couldn't basically live in their pocket and get a live feed of what they fucking ate for breakfast. Much harder when all you know is they wrote a book you like and a name.

Clementine Danger

If memory serves this is the same author who once pointed out that one of the last pictures of Cobain was of him being a big silly with his little kid and eating pizza all goofy. To make the exact point to literally millions of people who listen to him that someone smiling once doesn't disprove depression. I think he knows the difference between "depressed people smile sometimes" and "everyone who knows this man agrees he is a fun-loving goofball, to the point where they feel compelled to point out that his stage persona goes against everything they know about him". This is all heavily sourced in the article. I feel you, I'm right there in that pit too, but this ain't it.

Clementine Danger

I am genuinely terrified to think what would have happened to me if I had been born a decade or two later, when the internet started turning into the ravenous void it is now. One of my favorite things to do as a kid was to read books and watch cartoons and movies and imagine the characters were my friends, and I would write down the stories I made up, and I kept writing without pause for three decades since that started. And it's literally the only reason I still want to live. I like stories. Oh shit, wait, that's fanfiction isn't it? SELF-INSERT fanfiction? That's very lol, you cringe Mary Sue nerd and also a faggot. The early internet was insanely cruel. If I'd been exposed to the tsunami of mockery for everything vulnerable and kinda dorky that was on the horizon while I was still that kid writing little stories about hanging out with Captain Kirk, I genuinely don't know what I would have become. Not this. For better or worse. But I know it would have hurt A LOT.

Marc

And, minutes after hearing Gilbert Gottfried's real voice for the first time, ...

Daphne Lawless

Hot take: isn't the whole point of this HOTDOG thing encouraging and strengthening parasocial relationships? Imagine what Little Jason Pargin would have thought if, for a few bucks a month, he could hang out in a chatroom with Eddie Vedder and the other guys in Pearl Jam. It's slightly more "real" than the "fanclub newsletter" model of the time.

Matthew Harris

Also, watching that video, I suspect that Eddie wasn't as drunk as he was acting. Certain things like having the axe ready, and the precision of chopping up a pickle, seem like they were rehearsed. Maybe this says something about me, but that guy doesn't seem like he is wasted, he seems like he is your uncle, the high school history teacher, "letting go" a little at Thanksgiving.

Clementine Danger

Huh, my reply to you disappeared and I won't repeat it in case it got moderated away (it wasn't mean, no worries!) But basically: parasocial feelings value-neutral, but be aware and smart about it, is my lukewarm take.

1900HOTDOG

Nope, not moderated. Weird links in it maybe? Sometimes Patreon just flat out doesn't like you.

Clementine Danger

Oh, well I'm relieved to know I didn't offend. No weird links, but I can imagine the phrase "Youtube baby nazis drowning in anarchism soup" triggering some sort of Patreon panic button.

Clementine Danger

Yup, here it is: https://www.cracked.com/blog/14-photographs-that-shatter-your-image-famous-people Not blaming you for not having memorized his entire backlog by the way, that's just nerds with weird neurochemistry who do that. I just want you to rest assured that Jason Pargin generally uses his power for good and has probably done a lot to dispel mental health myths with his platform. We don't call him the internet's Wise OI' Joke Papa for nothing. Oh no. We do that because he fucking *hates* it.

Clementine Danger

Man, Weird Al seems like such a cool and fun and kind guy, and he's so nice to his fans and he just sticks around through the decades being everyone's fun uncle, and everyone who works with him has nothing but nice things to say, it makes me feel really bad that I kind of hate his songs.

Clementine Danger

I think a sober Eddie Vedder carefully rehearsing the axe-pickle bit for a goof would not change the point of the article at all. It might make it stronger.

Matt Edwards

Keep your heroes fictional. Optimus Prime never let me down. Michael Bay's interpretation of Optimus Prime can fuck right off, but proper original Prime remains unsullied.

Clementine Danger

I'm unsettled by the implication that Michael Bay's Transformers might not be fictional.

LifeIsStrange

Eh i'll gladly take those hair metal bands over must grunge bands, sorry but a bunch of white dudes whining about their insignificant problems while the economy was booming just reeks of white privilege and most of that Grunge stuff has aged horribly as a result. As for Vedder, I heard a story about him berating a gay waiter in the 90s so that definitely did not endear him to me, I couldn't care less about his poor attempt at making a margerita.

Clementine Danger

Completely unrelated to this guy's wise and compassionate comment, you ever see something that's wrong in so many directions at once your brain spasms trying to correct it and then just goes limp, all in one microsecond, and you feel tense and cranky afterward? Like the exact opposite of an orgasm?

LifeIsStrange

Yes your comment is wrong in so many directions. If you want to know what i'm talking about in regards to Grunge, just watch Lindsay Ellis's review of Reality Bites as a lot of her criticism of the film easily applies to Grunge as a whole.

Matt Edwards

I'm not convinced Michael Bay is anything more than a rogue CGI explosion generating program.

Matt Pedone

I remember when this video first surfaced, and honestly, I love it. I've been a Pearl Jam fan since the mid-90s, and I've watched Ed morph from "tortured" singer to kinda goofy crooner, and I've enjoyed it (I'm listening to his recent solo album right now, and interestingly just heard him sing "The hurt I still hide/If I look okay, it's just the outside" about losing several people close to him over the past few years). One of the chief complaints from Pearl Jam die-hards is that "they're not angry anymore", to which I shrug and say, "I still like the music and Ed's voice". (Before someone chimes in that the last few albums have been terrible, fine, I have no idea what "good" music is, but I like it.) I mean, this is a guy who, when Pearl Jam played Fenway in 2016, brought his glove and a baseball to play catch with fans down front. He brings his own scorebook to baseball games. He supports causes he finds important, but he's also happily married with two kids. I'd expect to find him telling dad jokes and cutting up pickles with an axe, not brooding over his childhood or lost love or even self-loathing.

Matt Pedone

Having seen more than a few Pearl Jam concerts and interviews, I didn't think he was drunk at all. That's just kind of how he is when not singing/performing.

Clementine Danger

Completely unrelated to this guy's smart and based reply, is it possible to block someone on Patreon?

LifeIsStrange

nah his interpretation was badass, you crazy. You sound like one of those obnoxious "George Lucas raped my childhood!" trolls, ya know the same ones that sent Jar-Jar Binks actor Ahmed Best death threats to the point where he contemplated suicide?

LifeIsStrange

I saw you made a tasteless joke about Cobain's suicide, how charming, you may have deleted it but in showed up in my inbox first so nice try at covering your ass there. BTW just cause a white person commits suicide does not mean they don't have white privilege genius. Also I wasn't going after Cobain fool. Also hilarious that you're the one asking about blocking considering when I made my initial post on here I wasn't talking to you at all and did not ask for your asinine opinion, you are a major hypocrite. P.S. casually throwing around anti-gay slurs also isn't cool even if you're doing it as an example, there's no reason to actually spell out the f-slur unless you're comfortable using that word, which you shouldn't be.

LifeIsStrange

Power for good LOL I remember those dumbass articles he wrote on Cracked where he defended fucking Drumpf supporters, a fat lot of "Good" that did.

Former Fish Farmer

You lost me when you misspelled "most epic" W-O-R-S-T. Just thought I would leave Vedders' greatest contribution to global culture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEQycU_fk3s