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I strode in, seeing that Emperor Augustus was still in his low chair in the middle of the Senate, a dozen advisors surrounding him, with a few runners hanging on a respectful distance away.

They’d clearly figured out that this was the place to be for high priority - read, expensive - messages.

Augustus himself was in the middle of a conversation with a few people, a wolfhound curled at his feet. Never seen a dog here before, but the emperor could do what he wanted. I was oh so tempted to just barge in, and start listing off my demands.

Except… wouldn’t that make me look desperate? And rude? And he’d totally know I was super desperate. Although with his social skills, he could probably figure it out anyways.

Ah well. He wasn’t exactly wrong, but three minutes wasn’t going to dramatically change the course of things.

Heck.

Even if Augustus changed things right now, it’d be at least a day or so before anything got implemented, at top speed.

“Sentinel Dawn! Come, come, I’ve been eager to talk with you. Meet Tyson, my loyal dog. Not quite the same as your Auri, but ah, he’s been with me loyally for decades.” Emperor Augustus was all smiles, beckoning me closer.

Time to try and be personable and charming. And polite.

“Emperor! Thank you for meeting with me. How’s-”

Wait shit I already asked about his daughter and I don’t know any of his other family members and asking about his dog he just introduced is dumb gods damnit all!

“-things going?” I stuttered and lamely recovered.

“Most excellent! I take it you’ve come with your counter offer?”

“Yes, although, are you sure you want to negotiate here?” I asked, gesturing around. There were so many hangers-on.

“I can understand wanting to keep your skill private.” Emperor Augustus snapped his fingers, and with only some muttering, and a bit of prodding from the guards, the room was mostly cleared.

Just me, Augustus, a dozen of his advisors, and a handful of guards.

Private. Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.

If my skill was known by less than 5,000 people at this point, I’d eat my tunic. Without washing it.

“You can leave now.” He called out to the guards. “If Dawn wanted to harm me, I doubt any of you could stop her.”

The guards left, and he winked at me.

“Plus you’re Oathbound.”

Yeah, I was never telling anyone my skills ever again. I should go into hiding for a few hundred years, get Night to change my title, and try again.

He clapped his hands.

“You’ve come with a counter-offer! That’s fantastic, although I wouldn’t begrudge you having your friends help out. Anyways, what would you like?”

“Fairly simple. You can make some legal changes, yeah?”

“For you? Naturally, within reason. I’m not going to make you Empress, although I could be talked into adding your father to the Triumvirate.”

“I’d like slavery to be abolished, and I’d like women to be granted the exact same rights as men under the law.” In for a coin, in for a rod, might as well make my big ask.

The advisors muttered to each other in the background, as Augustus’s forehead wrinkled in thought.

After reaching some sort of consensus, one of the advisors leaned forward to Augustus, and whispered in his ear. Augustus slowly nodded, as the dude went on for some time.

“Let’s tackle this one point at a time. For the abolition of slavery - entirely impossible.” He said. I opened my mouth in outrage, but he held up his hand.

“Agamemnon? Would you care to explain?”

The advisor in question half-bowed to Augustus, and took a deep breath.

“I’m a [Republic Economist]. Slavery, or to be more technical, the people working as slaves, currently forms the backbone of Remus. I would love to go through a hundred examples, but let me start off with food. Yes, [Farmers] have powerful skills to help work the fields, but at the end of the day, the harvest must be brought in; it must be processed, and shipped to towns. Simply ending slavery would cause most of those field hands to walk away. Why would they stay? Mass starvation would be the result, and that simply scratches the very surface of the issue. We could honestly spend months with dozens of [Scholars] studying the issue to get a full scope of what would happen. The justice system springs to mind as a thorny issue that would require a complete overhaul. That’s all before we get into the massive wealth transfer issue.”

He glanced at another advisor, who tilted his head towards him. Agamemnon shrugged.

“It’s not my area of expertise, but the slave owners would never accept it. Emperor Augustus would be facing rebellion and assassination before the words left his mouth. Almost every member in the Senate, from the senators to the guards and the scribes, own their own slaves. Emperor Augustus’s decree would turn everyone against him, and he’d be lucky to survive the hour. Why, even I might turn against him!”

Augustus turned to give Agamemnon a long stare, who unflinchingly stared back at him.

“Well, I do ask for the best honest advice they can give.” He half-shrugged at me. “Be poor form to do anything besides listen.”

I was trying to process everything the advisor said, while Augustus’s advisors whispered among each other, then to Augustus himself. They had to have some skills for that, such that I couldn’t hear, and I was reminded once again just how freaking COOL magic was.

I hated, with every fiber of my being, that he had a bunch of good points. I’d struggled with it myself, mostly when it came to the justice system. There wasn’t anything else I could do with the bandits. If they were turned over to the guard? Slavery. Otherwise? Kill them when they were trying to kill me, or let them go. I was somewhat aware that it’d need a whole overhaul, but I’d been naive. I’d hoped it was as easy as a few pen strokes here and there to fix the issue.

Like, I’d known slavery was omnipresent in Remus, and basically everything relied on it. I’d still hoped that there was an easy, clean solution, that an all-powerful dictator could make it right, by wielding some political mastery.

Causing hundreds of thousands to potentially starve? Quite a lot of farmers would figure stuff out. They’d need to hire people to work the fields, but they’d work something out. However, not everyone would. Food supply would totter, and the moment a population started to starve was the moment everything got real ugly, real fast.

Hundreds of thousands would die in a poorly done transition… and that’s if there was even any negotiating room.

Then again, with serious legwork, and a few years of planning and studying, it might be possible to fix the issue cleanly.

Might. I’d need to have a few dozen scholars study the issue, and in an ironic twist, the people that would be needed to study the issue would also be the ones to lose something as a result. Misaligned incentives were no good.

They had a second good point.

My old life was coming in handy.

Emperor Augustus was the emperor because people believed he was the emperor. Crucially, it was the people with money, power, and who controlled the army who believed it, and made it so. Ideally, it would be the common man and woman who made it so, but I was under no illusions on that front - it was the army.

Take away everyone’s toys? Tell everyone who surrounded him “time to become much poorer?”

RIP Emperor Augustus’s reign.

Fuck, a quarter of this I could’ve figured out on my own! People liked having slaves. That was kind of obvious. People made money off of slaves. People liked having money, and didn’t like the government coming in and costing them tens of thousands of coins in assets, and more in lost future revenues. And it was country-wide! If I had only talked with more people, instead of letting my anger take the wheel, I could’ve come up with a better request. Instead, now I just looked dumb.

But no, I’d been stupid and let my anger control my actions. At the same time, this needs some sort of resolution now. The sooner, the better. I’d take quick and imperfect, over long and perfect. I wasn’t going to let ‘perfect’ be the enemy of ‘good enough’.

Plus, who cared about looking dumb?

This clearly fell under Autumn’s Rule 3. Not everything could be bought with money, and this was clearly part of the corollary - it wasn’t for sale. There was no price, no amount of bartering, begging, or pleading, that could get a complete and total abolition of slavery done tonight, or anytime soon.

I needed to let it go.

I said I’d walk if things were looking bad, but I could still get a win here. The slavery thing sucked, but even if I walked away, I’d need more than a few months of preparation and planning to tackle it. Walking away would accomplish nothing, and my other request was still on the table.

However, if that got watered down? Then it was time to walk.

The big question I had though - did I ask for a concession for Augustus removing it from consideration? Or would that offend him? ‘Yeah, you said no to this thing you consider completely unreasonable, and now I’m going to make demands because you said no to a totally unreasonable thing!’

I decided to keep my eye on the prize.

Augustus must’ve seen the look on my face. I wasn’t exactly a master at hiding my emotions, and he had charisma in spades.

Augustus leaned forward from his advisors.

“I’d like to offer a compromise on the slavery issue.” He said, and I perked right back up, cursing myself as I felt my face lift.

This was why I didn’t play poker.

“Most slave owners are somewhat lax about properly recording their slaves’s efforts against their debt.” He said. “How about we improve enforcement on properly recording a slave’s efforts towards their debt?”

I felt like this was… well, if not a trap, then being sold something I already owned. However, after mulling it over a bit, I couldn’t see an obvious problem.

Like. Isn’t that something that should be done anyways? I hedged, not wanting to commit. Remembering Rule 5 - don’t accept the first offer, and Rule 7 - haggle. I just didn’t have something that I could immediately offer instead. I’d have to think about it. No sense in opening my mouth immediately.

“Possibly acceptable. How about the women’s rights thing?”

They all looked at each other, and a different advisor cleared his throat.

“Leandros, [Lawyer], a pleasure to meet you.” He said. “The premise is acceptable. However. We’d like to make absolutely certain that we’re all reading the same scroll. It’d be the worst type of bad faith to agree, then discover that we had entirely different ideas in mind as to what the law would entail. I have numerous questions on subtle and difficult aspects of the implementation, implications, and the practicalities of how you see it working. Now, naturally, women would be able to obtain citizenship, is that correct?”

“Yes.”

“Which means they could vote?”

“Yes.” How was this even a question?

“Which implies they could run for Senate, or to become governor, correct?”

“Sure.”

He was frowning.

“Currently, only the head of the household is allowed to run for Senate, or related positions.” I didn’t know that. I’d taken a legal class, but that had been more along the lines of ‘murder is bad’, less so on ‘only the head of household is allowed to run for Senate’. We had been trained to be law enforcement, not lawyers. “How do you see the law working? You’d like a woman to be a senator, but if she is not the head of the household, the secondary law prevents it.”

“Well, why couldn’t she be the head of the household?” I asked. A few of the advisors’ eyes widened, and one of them hit his forehead with the palm of his hand.

“You need some women with good common sense on your council.” I told Augustus, who was eyeing his advisors up with a displeased look.

“I can see that.” He drily agreed. “My wife Sextia provides excellent counsel at home, but I should start bringing her here.”

“What happens if a family can’t agree on who's the head of the household?” One of the advisors asked.

I countered with my own question.

“Why don’t you just let anyone in the house run for Senate?”

“Dynasties.” Leandros promptly answered. “Permits large families to hold too much power.”

I shrugged.

“I’m not going to try and sort out the internal workings of the Senate.” I answered. “I don’t have all the answers. You’re the experts here.”

Augustus locked eyes with me and slowly nodded.

“Also, the whole life and death over the family business should be done away with.” I added in. Miserable bloody law.

“Past a certain point.” One of the advisors practically snarled, the veins in his neck bulging.

There was one hell of a story there, and yeah. It twisted my stomach to agree, but I wasn’t in the idyllic “I can save everyone” stage. I’d seen too much, and I was playing in deep political waters that I wasn’t properly equipped for.

There was… a frankly horrible to think about reason why the patriarch of the family had the power, but the root cause of the issue wasn’t one I was able to fix here and now.

“Fine. Past two years of age.” I could only try my best, making things better one small step at a time.

I hadn’t come here to handle that particular issue, and getting it served up to me on a plate like that was nice. A minor extra win, that I hadn’t been looking for but I’d take.

“Drafted by the army?” Another advisor smugly asked, like he’d found some massive gotcha.

Like Artemis wasn’t a shining example of a woman being able to utterly wreck anyone and everyone in a fight.

“Yeah, that’s fine. But at the same time, if a husband is beating or raping his wife, that should be a crime. Marriage doesn’t absolve the husband of it, just like the wife should be charged for plunging a knife into his chest.”

I spat the last bit out a bit more forcefully than I’d intended, revealing that I too had a shit story to tell. Augustus didn’t look thrilled at the implications, and I remembered that he had a daughter who recently married off.

Maybe there was some empathy at work? He didn’t come off as a soulless bastard, just… a product of his time and place. The idea that a wife might not want to have relations with her husband could easily be a new one to him, but once it got in his head, the implications were clear.

The benefits to his own family were clear.

Nobody asked, and one dude did get an elbow in his side as another furious whisper session started.

The discussion continued, the moons rising, briefly flooding the room with crimson light as we continued to discuss the full range and implications of the issues. Tyson remained faithfully at Augustus’s feet, the emperor occasionally reaching down to scratch or pet the loyal hound.

Frankly, I was glad, because they had points and problems I’d never considered. Like, who was the tiebreaker? If a husband was a citizen, did the wife automatically get citizenship as well? What about the reverse? What about losing it?

What about bank accounts? They were already run in the family name already.

Children and citizenship? Divorce?

The longer we talked, the more animated Augustus’s advisors became, with Augustus occasionally turning in his chair to huddle up and talk in a circle with them.

Honestly, I was pleased. Augustus’s side was initiating most of this. It would’ve been incredibly easy for them to say “ok, done”, and write a ten word law just to make me happy.

The fact that they were digging into it so deeply, touching on the implications and issues, the other laws that would need to be changed, and all the rest? It told me that they were operating in genuinely good faith, and were somewhat committed to see this through. Made me wonder if there were other pressures and forces at play.

It felt a bit like a trap of some sort, but for the life of me, I couldn’t see it. I was getting what I wanted, how I wanted it, in what looked to be a short timeframe. It’d be easy for Augustus to dismiss us all, and to resume the next day. Instead, we were burning the midnight oil on the Senate floor, solving the issues one at a time. Maybe it was just my own inexperience talking.

I’d like to believe that my arguments were so good, that my logic and the benefits of creating an equal society would be enough for them to pass the changes anyways.

Nah. That’d just be deluding myself.

As time went on, and as Augustus held council, I started to mentally kick myself. There were a dozen other things I could’ve asked for! State-sponsored healing! Everyone getting access to healers, paid for by the government. Bread rations, to help feed the poor and hungry, and give a strong layer of protection against falling into debt and slavery. Education, not just for those who could afford tutors. Orphanages.

…Even as I listed them all out I started to recognize getting them all was something of a pipe dream. Might as well add in gigantic free public libraries to the list. Get some of my own desires met.

Although, the slavery thing had been entirely shot down, and replaced with ‘we’ll do our jobs better’. The more I thought about it, the more that looked like a cheap promise, and not a suitable substitution.

Sure, Autumn’s Rule 3 came into play, but if they’d already offered a replacement? I could haggle over the replacement, and offer A over B.

Welp. Night suggested that I figure out long-term goals, and I was getting a few ideas. Anything I didn’t ask for, or get now, I could possibly tackle. I didn’t think splitting myself up among so many different goals right now was a good idea, especially not if I went with step 1: Get filthy rich first, then step 2: Make changes. However, I was getting a list of possible ideas. Ending slavery. Gigantic libraries. Corning the mango market. Shelters. All stuff for another day though.

Or was it? I could probably slip a few in right now with the Rule 3 haggling.

I would like to do something with my healing… maybe better advertising?

Focus.

Augustus and co were spending a lot of time internally debating, giving me too much time to think on my own as time passed. Occasionally a guard would peek in, and at one point a few hefty trays of food were carefully slid into the room, but otherwise we were left alone.

Just me, Augustus, his advisors, and Lun Kat’s eyes, watching us as the moons set again.

Finally, we seemed to have handled the last issue. Answered the last question. Built something resembling a framework. Augustus turned towards me.

“A few notes.” He said, and while I’d stayed ram-rod straight and at attention - although with my toes tapping half the time - I stood up just a hair straighter.

“I believe in operating under full, good faith. Except when I need not to, but this isn’t one of those situations.” He said, and a cold shiver went down my back. “First. The bulk of your proposed changes are doable, however, we’re going to need a week with our best researchers to find all the laws that need updating. As much as I’d like to simply write ‘women are equal to men’, it is not that simple.”

Lawyers. Scum of every planet… but I nodded in acceptance. ‘We need to do this right, and slowly’ seemed to be a heck of a lot better than ‘we did this too fast, and we missed something that ruins it all.’

Which I hated, because it told me that I had resoundedly fucked up in coming right here, and insisting to myself that things get done ASAP. I made a few mental notes.

First - I was clearly developing an anger issue. Between Ochi and here, anger and rage was in the driver’s seat a little too often. I hadn’t exactly been living a happy and carefree life, and I had to wonder if I’d gone through one trauma too many. A job for a [Therapist], if I could ever get someone to invent the blasted profession.

Second - I should stop acting on my anger.

Third … I know I had a bunch more to add, I just couldn’t remember them. Fleeting thoughts weren’t something [Pristine Memories] could handle, apparently. Which kinda sucked.

“The second issue is a cultural one. You would like the laws changed. Very well, we can do that. However. The family that still believes the husband is in charge? The wife who believes herself subservient? The husband who continues to take charge? They will continue to act as they have. I do not promise any cultural changes, or efforts to make the widespread changes needed to cause the changes.”

“But you will enforce the law?” I asked, realizing another way I might’ve fucked up.

A law with no teeth wasn’t a law at all. “No hats on Friday” didn’t mean shit if nobody enforced the “No hats on Friday” law. One of the fundamentals of being a Ranger. Law enforcement. Another fundamental was “who enforces the law is almost as important as the law itself.” In this case, the guard and primary justice system seemed to be taking it on.

Fortunately, the Rangers were a good check on the local guards for corruption, and Sentinels were a check on Rangers misbehaving. In other words - indirectly, I was part of the enforcement mechanism of the new laws, which had me all sorts of happy.

“Naturally. As I said, I operate in good faith, however, a petition must be brought forth before the judiciary for there to be any enforcement. If the involved parties are unaware, or simply choose not to pursue their own rights? There is little I can do.” He spread his arms wide.

Made sense. I didn’t like it, but it made sense. If nobody complained that their rights were being trampled, it was exceedingly difficult to find out that there was an issue behind closed doors. It sucked, but the woman I’d seen… gods, just hours ago, it felt like a lifetime - was an example of that. She thought what she was going through was normal, and my stomach turned over again at the memory.

At leaving her.

I reassured myself that I’d gotten her kids out of there at least.

“Thank you. In the interest of good faith, my skill has a cooldown. It takes time between each cast. Anything else?” I asked.

“How long is the cooldown?”

“I don’t know.”

Augustus frowned, then smiled.

“Well, we have a long time to find out. Putting that aside. Two last notes. Your Triumph is upcoming. I believe there would be maximum effect to announce the changes as you approach the Senate, before the largest crowd possible.”

He paused, looking at me. I nodded my acceptance.

I had a small dramatic flair in storytelling, not running events. However, that sounded suitably nice. ‘Look at Sentinel Dawn! Look at how awesome she is, getting level 512! To celebrate her, she gets citizenship! All women can get citizenship!’

Sure. Seemed fine.

“Excellent. Onto my last point. It is quite complicated to change laws like this. I will need to work with the Senate, and obtain a medium of buy-in.”

I started to glare at him, and he naturally picked it up. He gave me an apologetic smile.

“Naturally, I will succeed. However, burning favors and political will is harder than simply parting with money. As opposed to simply turning back the clock for me, can you make myself and a dozen people of my choosing young as well?”

I almost agreed, then closed my mouth.

This was a negotiation after all. Autumn’s Rule 5 came to mind - never accept the first offer. There were also the other parts I wanted to negotiate for.

If I accepted this offer?

She’d loudly bemoan my utter lack of bartering expertise, and make fun of me. She’d offer remedial lessons, then act shocked and say something like “Wait, no, you’re too hopeless. Just make more money instead.”

Teenagers had vicious insults. I could probably barter him down, my skill was valuable.

Heck, he’d started with one person, and now wanted thirteen? That was an insane jump in his request. Plus, I hadn’t finished the enforcement bartering.

“Before we get to the details, I’d like to loop back around to the slavery issue briefly.”

Augustus nodded for me to continue.

“Simply enforcing the law is something that the government should be doing in the first place.” I pointed out, getting a minor note of satisfaction as one of the advisor’s mouth quickly puckered. Ha! I was right! They tried to sell me a dud!

“One thing I’d like to add. Can the sheer abuses and outright legalized murder of slaves be fixed? If nothing else, by having a legal avenue for slaves to air their complaints, they’re less likely to take up arms in an attempt to correct things.”

I only gave them a brief moment to process things before I carried on.

“A second thing. One of the driving forces of slavery are people falling into debt, and being unable to repay it.” I stated the obvious, while mulling over a dozen aspects of my proposal - including a medical aspect! “Now, something that would mitigate that is free bread from the Senate, distributed to every household.”

Augustus held up his hand, and looked at Agamemnon. He thought about it a moment, then nodded.

“Carry on.” Augustus said, my proposal having been cleared as ‘vaguely reasonable’ or whatever other system they had going.

“Free bread would make you wildly popular, prevent citizens and people of Remus from starving, help mitigate some of the largest expenses that cause people to fall into debt, then slavery, AND there’s a nutrition aspect that you might be unaware of.” I said, quickly reorganizing my angle of attack. Making it palatable to the military general, who seemed to be in it for the long haul.

“Proper nutrition, or rather, getting enough food growing up is crucial to development.” I instinctively leaned into a medical lecture, having given far too many of them. It was no longer Emperor Augustus and his advisors, it was just another class. “Without enough food, people grow up short, skinny, and stunted. If they’re given enough food? Tall and strong. While the [Centurions] of the army tend to come from wealthy families, where do the rank and file come from? Poor men, trying to gain citizenship and gainful employment.” I was getting animated, pacing the floor, my arms gesturing. “Feed them well, for long enough, and the next generation of soldiers will be even stronger. Also, the effect stacks as time goes by. Well-fed parents give birth to well-fed babies.”

“That’d take dozens of years to see any results.” Augustus said, after listening to his advisors.

I could see he had more to say, but the goal was too open. The shot was too easy.

“I’m here because you’re in it for the long run. A few hundred years from my skill, remember?”

Direct hit. Even I could see it.

Augustus and his advisors huddled up, and spent almost an hour talking. The sun was starting to lighten the horizon.

“Fine. Fourteen uses of your skill, and you get everything we discussed.” Augustus said. I frowned.

This was totally a spot for Rule 7 - Haggle. Rule 21 - Shorter negotiations - didn’t apply. Or at least, I didn’t think it did. A bread program was nowhere close to being worth two million rods and two senators, which was his opening offer.

He was trying to haggle more out of me!

“Four.” I figured I’d slice the number way down, and end up meeting somewhere in the middle.

Augustus shook his head, and stood up.

“I apologize for wasting your time, Sentinel Dawn, but I believe our respective evaluations of our positions are too far apart to come to an agreement. I wish you and your father the best.” He started to walk away with his advisors shuffling along. His dog woke up, and started padding after him.

“Wait! Ok! Eight?” I shouted after him, and he whirled on me with a predatory grin.

Shit. I’d been had.

“Deal!” He cried out before I could change my mind.

I had Immortality as my bargaining chip. I could’ve made it work just by standing firm, calling his bluff, and insisting on only changing back Augustus.

I slowly shook my head to myself. I’d gotten played like a fiddle.

“Deal.” I agreed.

End of the day? It was just using a skill.

And I’d done it. It’d take decades, but one day, a girl going to the temple for System Day wouldn’t get thrown out in the middle. She’d be allowed to play with all the things, given a chance to unlock all the classes she could. It’d take decades, if not centuries, to fix thousands of years of thinking, but the first crucial step had been taken.

I’d gotten what I wanted.

At long last.


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AN: This chapter, to me, has a ton of weight to it. In another world, this would be the final climax to Beneath the Dragoneye Moons. The rest of the chapters would just be falling action/epilogue.

However... I'm not done telling Elaine's story, nor is she done having adventures. Just... a traditional story structure, this would be the end. The death star blown up.

297 chapters in.


But I'm NOT DONE!

Here's to the next 303 chapters!!

Comments

Joshua Case

DAMNIT ELAINE. She really needs to sort her stuff out 😂😂 as if the Emperor would walk away from even 4 uses. She could've asked for more small things, like working towards free education for all, and state-funded social welfare/housing and protection for people from their abusers. Ah well, I shouldn't have expected anything else 😂

Grumlen

This is all assuming, of course, that they don't stage complications to justify repealing the new laws.

ThrasherGX

Especially since Elaine may not be around for as long as any of them think. Its a lot easier to stall or undermine laws if Elaine myateriously disappears...

Matt R.

Yay

William

In 303 chappies the prologue will be done. 🤣

Aaron Hardin

You did a good job of taking all of the practical considerations into account here. Almost every cultiure in history had some form of slavery, and it only ever stated going away in places that moved to a manufacturing economy where the labor needs education.

Primex

I'm excited for when Elaine starts creating her Valkyries. If she's granting immortality to the Emperor and his lackeys, she might as well grant immortality to her closest future allies(the valkyries) so that the Emperor doesn't rule unchecked.

Avery Aderyn

I've always liked that web novels don't have traditional story structures. It used to make me mad in school when teachers had us use plot mointains to describe stories because it felt over simplified and inaccurate. Stories that cover a person's life won't fit cleanly in an exposition, rising action, climax, and falling action.

sqeesqad

Making the sale of slaves illegal would've been a better solution, I think

Captdeth

54m

RedPine

Sure, author. This is totally the climax. Yup. No more rollercoasters, right?

Sky

The death star is blown up, but that's only a third of the way through the trilogy. Here's to another 600 chapters.

SelkieMyth

I can’t establish a character trait of being constantly fleeced when buying stuff then not have it come up here lok

Sean Kenny

Free bread == stronger soldiers + happier, wealthier(more for taxes which then pays for the bread anyway) citizens??? Emperor: sign me right up!!

TroubleFait

Her end of the deal is only held up if she's there to use the skill.

Vector

Free bread costs a lot, not only do you have to pay bakers but also distributors and government plans like that are ripe for corruption.

Erik R

"Gee.. I hope I don't get scammed or something.." *Strolls into the den of the biggest scammers in the empire*

Sean Kenny

Well...they still have slaves, so I bet that some are bakers and others could be taught, so that's a lot of the cost. Yeah it's labor costs from other projects already, but only if those people weren't active on a project somewhere. And well, baking probably pays better (to debt) than being field hands and harvesting, so it'd get them out of debt slavery a bit faster, which is a win win for us and Elaine and the slaves.

Joshua Case

Yeah, they aren't small things, but neither is the gift she's giving. Honestly, they're priceless. She needs to get a 100 year plan to de-slave Remus. It's SO possible. She just needs to work on it and she can do it. Cos even with her problems, Elaine is amazing

Jeanean

Love it! Was already wondering when she would fuck it up just a little since it was going a little too well XD Also, the Slavery thing could be "easily" dealt with as well. Augustus simply has to make it harder and harder for people to become Slaves in the first place, one law at a time. First, make it harder for people to fall too deeply into dept, preventing debt slaves. Two years later, raise the bar for people to become criminal slaves. Another year down the line, make it easier to get out of slavery. Slowly, if there are less slaves overall, people will find alternative solutions, and if they slowly continue, Slaves will become so rare and expensive that its better to employ people with the right skills for the job for a sallary and Slaves will become nothing but a status symbol. At that point, then they can abolish Slavery without anyone really complaining about it.

Melting Sky

Bread and Circuses for everyone.

John

One thing I don't understand is that in a world like this where the relative differences between men and women are almost a non issue because of the system, how the country even developed like this. I mean look are the 2 most prominent women in the story. They are both 2 of the most powerful people in the country. Shoot the other races had both male and females as equals as far as I can tell. My only guess is it was a neritive desition. But what ever still love the story.

kfir with a כ

Did, did you just anounce the amount of chapters planned?? And we're almost halfway?? Casual bomb drop much?

Radical

Makes slaves work until theyre starving for food -> the government gets bread from them -> gives them food 😎 infinite loyalty glitch

Melting Sky

The system multiplies those differences rather than removing them, at least when it comes to all physical stats, and like 85% of the population of Remus has some sort of manual labor class.

luda305

It's not your writing, it's the subject matter: god this was terribly nerve-wracking.

Vincent Sinigaglio

Nah, it's sort of a well known phenomenon, areas of the world that were difficult to reach or otherwise had less armed conflict trended towards more equal gender rights. Remus was a nation at war pretty much since it's inception, for thousands of years. War means dead soldiers, and generational warfare means if those dead soldiers are women that you not only lost that one soldier, but the n generations of soldiers that woman could have brought into being. Social pressure through external circumstances becomes ingrained custom and belief.

ProSailor22

I think it would be fun if Elaine and Iona eventually crossed paths in the future. The most legendary yet reclusive immortal healer and her phoenix would be a sight down the line.

SelkieMyth

Nope. But it feels like I'm reaching too much if I say "onto the next 1000 chapters!" if I haven't done 1k chapters yet

Robert Mullins

General rule of thumb: when selkie says X number of chapters. It ends up being being at least 3 times that many chapters.

David Brims

It's not like that option is off the board. After all, she can still sell her skill more times. And anyway, she needs to consider better/longer term approaches on the slavery issue.

David Brims

Yeah, I'm with @TroubleFait on this one. They won't stop wanting her product just because they've purchased it once. She doesn't ACTUALLY make them immortal with her skill, just extends their life. This is a classic case of the goose that lays the golden eggs, and the Immortal Wars haven't happened yet.

David Brims

Too precipitous. Likely to result in mass rebellion at this point. A good action in future, but not yet.

Julie

I have a feeling that Elaine’s skill being known to just about everyone in Remus is the cause of the Immortal Wars.

Julie

It’s not slaves who are getting the free bread. The slave owners are responsible for the welfare of their slaves, which I hope Elaine and the Emperor will start to enact and enforce laws for the welfare of slaves, especially no murder, abuse, and sufficient food. The people who will be getting free bread will be the lower class citizens who are having trouble making ends meet. I’m sure the well off citizens will be too embarrassed to try to get free bread.

Julie

They already have a Colosseum/fighting arena…

Cirvante

With her skill's cooldown, if they actually want the Emperor and eight others rejuvenated, they'll need to show good faith for at least a decade. And the thing about burning bridges is that it's veeery difficult to unburn them. It would basically cost them more in the long-term to screw her over than to act in good faith.

Cirvante

Like taking candy from a child.

Falxie

Ok so here’s a question that’s on my mind for a few chapters now. If she „turns back the clock“ for someone I assume they just continue to age but are much younger due to the skill application. Is she bartering for some1 to become immortal (use skill on them every couple hundred years) or just 1 time usage of the skill?

AntiClimax she her

If she's bartering immortality rather than youthenizing (lol) then she's definitely not getting her monies' worth. I don't think she's intending to have agreed to recharge them every couple hundred years, but then again, I'm not certain what was actually agreed on. Is she still getting the coin, citizenship, and her father as a senator?

AntiClimax she her

Wrt her father as a senator, that doesn't sound like a particularly good thing to me given he doesn't have the education or experience to be successful, but what to I know?

Falxie

Yeah I hope she only sells her „ youthenization“ (I like that word). She can be an airhead sometimes so I hope she reads the agreement thoroughly. I agree on her dad not being an adequate senator, too. He should give a current senator a helping hand (kind of like an adjutant) to learn how things go. After a couple years he can become a senator (I assume she‘ll youthenize her parents, too)

WANDERING LOST

Don't be stupid, Elaine started the Valkaires and will come out of the shadows to lead them once more now that they have been brought so low. Their meeting will be so much funnier that way!

Akatosh117

hey I'm just wondering but when will white dove come back for that discussion? I mean it came gave a curse said they need to talk and left so......

George Dashner

The implication was that white Dove can not do anything to her until she uses her skill on herself.

DANTE

did Elaine just screw over every woman that doesn't want to be a soldier?

Falxie

What about every man not wanting to be a soldier? Equality means that 2 or more parties are treated equally. If one gets drafted, all get drafted.

DANTE

while i agree that its part of the equal treatment, even irl this clausole is excluded for good reasons, then again the system is a thing, but again this whole issue is really poorly implemented and just there to make a point

Jumping Flounder

Since her skill keeps their stats it lets them live for centuries. they age slower from the higher vitality

Joshua Little

Thanks for the chapter.

Dion Crump

I have a feeling Elaine might be compounding her white dove issue. In my head when she uses The Stars Never Fade the White Dove will come and collect an immortals debt, but only like 95% of it and she will get hit with those 5% of each person when she finally hits herself with the skill

Akatosh117

maybe that is why iona is set a few thousand years in the future, I mean it doesn't make sense to make a character not important to the plot such a detailed story maybe the curse is how she meets them? or the dragon comes and puts her in stasis or something. wouldnt make sense to me to make her op when they meet. like level 4000 or something. oh and reduced exp would just make her future classes better right?

Keith Rice

Mehhhhhh. Suppose your business goes under and now you have no use for your 8 slaves and you can't legally sell them. Always about the perverse incentives. If you want to ban something, ban something.

Keith Rice

Government buying and handing out bread always turns out less corrupt than the exploitation of those who are literally starving and watching their families starve.

Cirvante

Like they would actually draft women into the army. Would it be possible? Yes. Will it be done? Unlikely. This actually presents an opportunity for women who want to join the army. Get combat training, possibly mage or healer training, earn citizen status, eventually meet entry requirements for Rangers. They aren't going to draft young girls or housewifes against their will, they have too many soldiers as it is.

David Johnson

They eventually agreed on "8 uses of her skill," so that seems like it pretty clearly means "make someone younger 8 times" not "make 8 people immortal." I'm sure Augustus isn't too worried about needing to negotiate with Elaine again in a few hundred years.

Seth Richter (edited)

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2023-04-26 01:05:41 Idk, I don't want to be overly critical, but I definitely don't see this as any sort of climax or satisfying resolution. Obviously Elaine is doing a good thing, and dealing with an issue that she's struggled with since the beginning of the story...but she's been in power for years now, a mentee of the most powerful person in the empire, and this is her first real effort towards that end? Which is fine, I'd much rather see her adventuring than politicking, but this doesn't feel near as impactful as defeating antinium, or escaping lunkat, or even just hatching auri. Not a bad chapter, just strange to think of it as anything but a normal one
2022-03-16 22:02:14 Idk, I don't want to be overly critical, but I definitely don't see this as any sort of climax or satisfying resolution. Obviously Elaine is doing a good thing, and dealing with an issue that she's struggled with since the beginning of the story...but she's been in power for years now, a mentee of the most powerful person in the empire, and this is her first real effort towards that end? Which is fine, I'd much rather see her adventuring than politicking, but this doesn't feel near as impactful as defeating antinium, or escaping lunkat, or even just hatching auri. Not a bad chapter, just strange to think of it as anything but a normal one

Idk, I don't want to be overly critical, but I definitely don't see this as any sort of climax or satisfying resolution. Obviously Elaine is doing a good thing, and dealing with an issue that she's struggled with since the beginning of the story...but she's been in power for years now, a mentee of the most powerful person in the empire, and this is her first real effort towards that end? Which is fine, I'd much rather see her adventuring than politicking, but this doesn't feel near as impactful as defeating antinium, or escaping lunkat, or even just hatching auri. Not a bad chapter, just strange to think of it as anything but a normal one

Guthan

It’s clearly the work of the gods. Remus is a stand in for the Roman republic turned Roman Empire.

DANTE

If there were restriction on woman joining the army Artemis wouldn't be a thing, and while barring those who are willing to do as they pleas if they are able is a terrible idea there is a good reason not to have woman draft, the Emperor could have proposed a different civil duty in alternative, we are not talking about willingly joining but unwilling draft, asking equal opportunity for those willingly joining is different matter than draft, and it looked like that was the case already

usa1ph

I'm inclined to agree. The biggest issue is how little forethought Elaine put into this, or rather the complete lack of it. It's consistent with her character but is unrewarding.

AntiClimax she her

There are restrictions on women joining. I think it's implied (women aren't allowed to be citizens, own property or wealth, run a business, join the guard, and are the property of their father or their husband). In Chapter 67 – Adventures on the way to Perinthus V, though, Julius confirms it. Women aren't allowed to be soldiers because those in power believe they are needed for babies (gross) and other domestic things. The rangers are a special case, but you need to be level 180+ to join, and without the opportunity to join the legions, that's kinda difficult. I agree with Cirvante that they likely wouldn't actually conscript women, at least to combat roles. That would be difficult for the people of Remus to swallow -- even if they needed soldiers. I tend to think that the men would be more opposed to it than the women, though. (Not that women wouldn't be opposed. Just extrapolating from our world. Feminists opposed to conscripting women tend to just be opposed to conscription in general).

DANTE

I didn't go back and check but If i remeber correctly Julius was referring as to why they didn't conscript woman, and Artemis was an artillery mage in the army if i remeber correctly, anyway woman are needed for childrens, like it or not its a sound argument against female conscription, the lawyer question was on conscription, not on woman ability to enter the army, it wasn't even mentioned, and apparently woman get way less out of physical stats (or so the comments claim,wich by itself present few inconsistency in the story) so they wouldn't be given choice in the classes they could chose, overall a bad deal for everyone

AntiClimax she her

Conscription was the conversation starter. however, in context it was about letting women fight at all. "They should let women fight as well." And "...let men have the dangerous roles and stop women from being soldiers." My impression was that Elaine was against conscription and thought that letting women serve would make it less necessary. Conscription came up with the lawyer because that's what many people say when talking about equality, "if you want equality you'll be subject to the draft." That women have the same rights as men and could become citizens (a reward for service) implies that women would have the right to serve, so didn't need to be explicitly named, but the draft did because that was likely to be a sticking point. Not letting women fight because you need them making babies is treating them like cattle. If the threat faced is so great we they have to worry about the birth rate, there are plenty of ways people can contribute to the war effort where they aren't directly in harms way. Like doctors, nurses, part of the supply line, security, administrative staff, auxiliary. Mages on overwatch didn't seem to be in much immediate danger either. Even against the formorians I don't think their situation was that dire, though. The battle lines had apparently been stable for generations and there is no shortage of men in Remus.

Haridya Iyengar

I liked this chapter. Would be nice to see Elaine meet a lawyer and actually make proper legislation for this whole thing to work. Also I'm still hoping for some kind of orphanage system. Maybe she can do it with her million rods :P

Markus

Considering that a million rods and other things were only a minimum offer from the Emperor, and he told her to add more, she should still get everything else as well.

Cirvante

Didn't he say that he needed to bring more senators on his side and the immortality was for them?

Cirvante

Where was it ever said that Artemis was in the army? I was under the impression that they don't take female soldiers at all.

luda305

There's a lot of overlap between Auri and Arthur from Calamitous Bob.

Sansvoid

I feel like Elaine's a stupid idiot in this chapter, it would make a whole lot more sense, if even if she doesn't have the classes for it, she became a lawyer and politician, and headed a department in charge of and empowered by the government, to make these changes over however many hundreds of years it takes to make them.

eggman

She can still do that. Meanwhile, with this she has made a start at changes that will affect the people who are alive today, even if they're not perfect.

aqa

For equal rights, a chapter with “a ton of weight” would be the resolution after a long struggle, not getting something 5 minutes after the first try. This chapter feels very anticlimactic.

Connor

Feels like a normal back and forth. Though the words on the page disagree with me, it doesn’t feel like anything of importance happened at all.

fbt

hmm, as much as I disliked some aspects of the execution of this bit, to me it makes a fairly tidy (and important) bookend. Her story started out highlighting the women's rights issues, she became powerful and could mostly work around it, and eventually powerful enough to enact (we hope) meaningful change in a fundamental flaw in her society (that bugged her). It seems (to me! opinions vary, ofc) a far better victory to pin the volume on than "killed the dark lord #675" or some such overused trope. She hated the disenfranchisement, it shaped her actions, and she eventually addressed it (sorta). Works for me? YMMV.

Seth Richter (edited)

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2023-04-26 01:05:41 That makes sense logically...but I still didn't feel nearly as invested or excited for this as a climax compared to fighting big baddies. Might be a reflection on me more than the chapter though, but I read litrpgs usually more for the epic fights than politics and human rights :/
2022-03-20 01:49:45 That makes sense logically...but I still didn't feel nearly as invested or excited for this as a climax compared to fighting big baddies. Might be a reflection on me more than the chapter though, but I read litrpgs usually more for the epic fights than politics and human rights :/

That makes sense logically...but I still didn't feel nearly as invested or excited for this as a climax compared to fighting big baddies. Might be a reflection on me more than the chapter though, but I read litrpgs usually more for the epic fights than politics and human rights :/

SelkieMyth

It's her last "enemy" so to speak. The physical ones have been defeated. Death by old age has been avoided. The only thing left was her unfair position in society

SelkieMyth

Ok, so! I picked conscription because we've both seen it in-story, and "women in the draft" is an IRL issue as well. Believe it or not, feminists advocate for women to be included in the draft, as another way of removing barriers. It's always brought up as a "GOTCHA!", and the response is always "yes, please. Equality in all ways."

SelkieMyth

The alternative was writing 20 chapters of plotting, negotiating, and meeting with people, only to have almost the exact same conversation occur, with fewer concessions on Elaine's part. OR. I could lean into one of Elaine's flaws, and just get it done with now.

DANTE

I was relatively aware of the femminist position on the issue although not sure on the degree of approval in the movement, I don't think its a good idea and that is a good way to go to get equality in general, man and woman are different and do different thing better, those willing and able to fight at the standard required should have the possibility but otherwise draft create a whole series of problems, males are more "expandable" than woman if the situation is dire enough to require draft, of course this is a fantasy setting and if the whole human population was going to be wiped out in one generation regardless woman draft make sense, draft usually come as a duty with citizenship irl, not sure if this is the case in Remus but there could be other duties that suit the average female better that require some sacrifice that could be mandatory in with citizenship, I'm ultimately not a fan of modern femminism and the way it goes about problems and prefere the more liberal approach of the original movement but I still think it miss the point, I think for a respectful and non discriminatory coesistente is better to exalt the difference and give bot roles the same importance while allowing those that wish to travel a different path the ability to do so if they prove to be capable, forcing different things in the same mold is not a good solution

DANTE

and the emperor should be aware of why potentially losing a good portion of the female population is bad, they are not at war so it doesnt matter now, and Elaine could have asked for better education on the system, basic literacy and math for the children in the form of a 6 month course, and have girls with various class teach it, and have girls mandatory teach it instead of the draft, ore something similar, its not a perfect solution and i just came up with it on the spot but it has the added benefit of giving girls more influence in general and introduce female teachers pluss it helps gradually getting rid of the no female healers, scribe, mechant, etc.. by virtue of them having the class they are going to expose the children to

robert eriksson

The problem is that us the readers never got any sort of feeling that Elaine was even trying to fix her position in society, sure she was unhappy with it but she also kinda just went along with it as it realistically didnt affect her that much. Now if she had dreamed to become a sentinel but to be told that while powerful enough she couldnt because of her gender and on top of that her father was an asshole who didn't give her access to her money and was controlling and stymied her growth and Elaine was fighting it then i could see this chapter being a climax. But being a woman hasn't actually impeded Elaine in anyway, she has never failed at something because society refused to let her succeed. At least i can't think of any big consequence Elaine has faced due to being a woman. Which is why it comes off a lackluster to me, she has no incentive to fix misogyny except her own empathy at OTHER womens situation.

myrdstom

This is a somewhat inaccurate viewpoint. Having a relatively easy life does not make one immune to the plight of others. Let's go with a real-world example. Some countries in the world today have a plethora of tribes/religions(insert sub-group) in them. It creates a situation where one tribe comes to the top and discriminates against the other tribes. This does not mean that all members of the "not-in-power" tribes are poor/immediately negatively affected but it creates resentment all across the board with regards to the plain injustice others suffer. Elaine's "tribe" is the women and her constantly being reminded of their plight... having lived through a similar situation for all my life, I see why she would value more women's rights to say the tonnes of money in offer 1(also she won't have to be beholden to some man to withdraw her savings). You don't have to have a history of being a champion of justice to do the right thing when presented with the opportunity

Vladerag

Lmao, did she just institute the Grain Dole? I want to say, "Ave, Julius Ceaser," but he didn't institute the Dole and I don't think he was Emperor at that time either.

Katherine

I mean, to be fair, I saw this coming. The Grain Dole was a core part of imperial power up until the end. No way this psudo-Rome was going to turn into an empire without some of Rome's safety nets and cultural trappings bleeding in.

Anonymous

Elaine negotiation skills go brr

Josh Turple

I dont know why I pay for this sometimes. She's got how many years of memories and she's still retarded.

ManguKing

Look at the bright side! At least we get to see that not only blond girls are bimbos. It does hurt specially since all the women I grew up with were the pillars of their home and main reason I now have uncles with their own businesses, but outside of autumn and maybe lona? All other women in this story are not very wise, which cant fault them due to the system not allowing them to grow on equal footing as men, but the mc is living on her second life. elaine should be a bit wiser

Josh Turple

Exactly it's like she's never watched a show movie or read a book. It's more then frustrating because this writer is great just hard reading about a dumb Mc 🙄. Only book I ever read where I had do skip chapters because they were so damn cringy as well.